FurPaw wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
FurPaw wrote:
Char wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

I'm curious, though - where do you get the raw food that you feed
your animals? And would you prevent your dog or cat from eating a
whole mouse?



I get mine from a regional farm.

And there are plenty of raw feeders that do feed whole mice and rats
to their pets. Cats, in particular, evolved to eat small prey.

I've fed ground mouse.

Not sure what you point is on that part.

I'll tell you after Chard answers...



Okey Doke

(of course I won't see it when and if she
does, so let me know, k? :-)

Tara Green wrote:
Sharon Too wrote:
*sigh* Did it ever occur to you that people CARE for their pets more
than ever? That pet owners are totally invested in their pet's care,
and if they think they're sick, they take them to the vet's, rather
than like they did years ago, let 'em die.

And pets are living YEARS longer than they ever did as well. Many
years, in fact. AND by the majority of them eating gasp commercial
pet food. Older age = more chance of cancer. But that's science, which
Char has no understanding of. (Hats off, BTW, to those who feed raw
and do it right. But the vast majority of folks either don't want to
do it or don't have the ability to do it right.)

Oh, and let me save her some time and tell people that I sell poison
that kills animals. That would be flea control. Of course we have
never had a pet die from using Advantage or Frontline, but she will
disagree anyway, like she'd know. Oh, but we have had cats and dogs
suffer and die from flea bite anemia.

And the beat goes on.......


I'm guessing her preferred method of flea control involved DE....which
is like sprinkling the world's smallest razor blades onto your pet.

Um, no it's not.


Yeah, that's a GREAT idea for their lungs and digestive systems.

No thanks.

DE doesn't have to be put on the pet at all and I don't. There ya go
pretending you know what I do and giving me hell for it when it's not
even reality. How are you ever going to find a job if you are busy
inventing things to scream about?

I put DE in the carpet. That is where most fleas are, not on the dogs.
Try studying the life cycle of fleas, it will astound you!

Did you not know that DE is in many human foods? It doesn't harm us or
pets taken internally. Research, Tara, research. Know what you are
posting about! If you eat any grains (breakfast cereal, bread) you are
also eating DE. It goes in the grain bins to ward off bugs. It does not
cut your stomach and intestines Tara. It's actually approved for human
consumption.

DE doesn't hurt on a dog's skin either BTW. It does make their skin dry
and it does go airborne when applied to fur though. The worse it can do
is irritate lungs.

DE is many times safer than pesticides, anyone that doubts that can't
use a search engine I guess.

Oh, and Tara, if you think vaccines work do a little digging into
national statistics for flu. They stayed static even after flu shots
were made available. If they worked the percentage of the population
that contracts the flu would have gone down and there was no change.

Here are some links that show eating DE has benefits:
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php
http://www.diatomitecanada.com/fossi...rth-animal.htm
http://www.diatomitecanada.com/fossi...eous-earth.htm
http://www.wolfcreekranch.net/diatomaceous_earth.html

FurPaw wrote:
Char wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

There are SO MANY changes over the past 50 years in the environment
that pets (and we) live in, it's kind of silly to glom onto
"KIBBLE!!!!" as the sole cause for anything. [Yes, there's crap
kibble out there. And there's crap raw meat out there too. But let's
just blame the kibble, 'cause that's easy.]

FurPaw


Hey Furpy,

There was much more than just a blame presented here. Do you have no
knowledge of what "processed food" is? Lets go back to kindergarden
for those who can't comprehend. Kibble is made from ingredients that
are left over from human foods. Another word for it would be
"garbage". Many have ingredients from rendering plants in them as well.

Chard, your problem (well, one of them) is that you overgeneralize.

Your problem is you don't actually read for content.

There are many ways of making kibble, some of them despicable, others
presenting a nutritious diet. Now, I know that you are absolutely
certain that nothing can be nutritious if it's not raw. Shrug

Nutritious kibble? Nope. All kibble is over processed. That means it is
cooked so long they have to add nutrients back in because there isn't
much left. Please research "processed food". It's bad for pets and
humans both. Why not just leave the nutrients in the food when you feed
it? I personally try to stay away from processed foods for myself as
well as my pets. I cook from scratch as much as possible, eat raw a lot
and stay away from things like instant mashed potatoes and those meals
in a bag that have about 100 ingredients in there. And all kibble has
fillers of some kind that don't add nutritionally to a dog's health. The
cheap ones use corn, the expensive ones use sweet potatoes or rice. And
those preservatives are dangerous as well. A few are documented to cause
cancer.




I'm curious, though - where do you get the raw food that you feed your
animals? And would you prevent your dog or cat from eating a whole mouse?

FurPaw


Actually a mouse would be scientifically and nutritionally the best food
possible for cats. Many people buy them frozen or ground and feed them
to their cats. I haven't done that yet but I will.

Where do I get my raw food? From many places. There is a co-op here that
orders once a month or so from this site.
http://www.raiseapaw4raw.com/
Most of what they sell is ground though and I prefer to have it in a
more natural state. I was primarily using them for tripe but now I have
another source....

I also buy from Raw4Pets which is all human grade meats and local to me.
She has green tripe in chunks which is probably the best food for dogs
on the planet. She also gets grass fed no antibiotics no hormone meat
from various sources too.

Then there are the hispanic and oriental area markets that carry meat
that isn't pumped full of water, salt and sugar. And finally there are a
few wholesalers that will sell to the public by the case. I buy chicken
necks and beef heart that way.

There is also a Tampa group for raw feeders that will post sales on meat
in the area markets.

Sharon Too wrote:
Do you have any evidence to support any of those statements?

She is a cut and paste conspiracy theorist. She'll claim those who don't
agree with her kill animals. She'll also take posts, change them, then
repost them as replies to change your words. So she lies too.




http://www.viddler.com/explore/jenni...dwin/videos/4/

percy wrote:
Sharon Too wrote:
Do you have any evidence to support any of those statements?


http://www.viddler.com/explore/jenni...dwin/videos/4/


Very informative video! It's very sad, I've got tears in my eyes now.
This is something every pet owner should watch.