"Tara Green" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:
"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
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As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes
cowering down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog,
it's like he loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park
today, it was very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit.
I was just finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty
bottle when a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog.
It was like a switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this
poor spaniel and hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before
pinning it down to the ground and attempting to savage it. The other
dog's owner pulled Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on,
apologising to the guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the
poor spaniel must've got a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and
Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious
to my presence. Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with
himself, strutting alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that
spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other
dogs very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days
ago. This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to
have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt.

Just because you're incapable if understanding what is being said doesn't
man everyone else is.

"According to this group", most would say that this guy needs to get a
handle on this dog's training ASAP....which would include managing the
situation *while* he's in the process of defining those limits and
teaching what is acceptable and what isn't.

You just thought that was far too much work....certainly more than just
killing your "psycho dog" was.

Hope he never gets pissed at some human for some reason.

If all the ignorant and asinine things you've said here, this takes the
cake.

Animal aggression *does not equal* interdog aggression.

Its stupid and dangerous for you to present that as a liklihood. It
certainly proves what everyone here already knows: that you know bupkiss
about dogs, and should really only be allowed to adopt Furbies.

Like an eight year old in a clown suit, or a screaming toddler.

Funny, neither of those things look like dogs.....to me or to my own dog.

You're really reaching here.

Are you trying to get everyone else to kill their dogs in order to justify
your own decision to not bother with training? Sure seems like it.

Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait till you do something that
really pisses him off.

Idiot.

Dogs are, apparently smarter than you are in that they actually know the
difference between dogs and humans.

This dog is clearly showing a specifi type of interdog aggression (one
that, if left unchecked *can* be typical of Boxers in the form of Arousal
Aggression, though without more info I can't be sure, of course)

It has zero to do with whether or not the dog would attack any human.

You were abusive to your dog (probably in lieu of training), so it only
makes sense that he ended up attacking people. You likely taught him to do
just that.

Carry a pocket first aid kit, and tourniquet material at all times.

Or....a leash would be better.

And some one-on-one training sessions with a trainer.

One thing the OP really needs to never do again is to let his dog offleash
in ANY public area unless and until this issue has been *FULLY* addressed.

Other than that, he should ignore this moron's advice
completely.....unless you want to have the same sort of "success" he did
in the form of denying the problem, and then killing his dog.

I've not had the dog long at all, and I've certainly not ever abused him.
What happened to him before he turned up at my door is anyone's guess.
Apart from the trying to fight with other dogs and being really wary of
drunk people, he's a complete angel, very well behaved and gentle. Leading
me to think a) He's never really been socialised with other dogs when he was
younger. b) He's maybe had bad experiences with drunk people.
When he sees a dog from a distance when he's on his leash, he whines and
wags his tail (stump) like he really wants to go and be friends. But if the
other dog is any closer than about 20 yards he acts all tough and
aggressive, like he's really lost the plot. What I was hoping for were some
pointers in training him to be more relaxed around other canines. I'm not
prepared to hit him or hurt him in any way with spike collars or electric
collars or anything barbaric like that.

Lachlan - KotU wrote:



I've not had the dog long at all, and I've certainly not ever abused
him. What happened to him before he turned up at my door is anyone's
guess. Apart from the trying to fight with other dogs and being really
wary of drunk people, he's a complete angel, very well behaved and
gentle. Leading me to think a) He's never really been socialised with
other dogs when he was younger. b) He's maybe had bad experiences with
drunk people.
When he sees a dog from a distance when he's on his leash, he whines and
wags his tail (stump) like he really wants to go and be friends. But if
the other dog is any closer than about 20 yards he acts all tough and
aggressive, like he's really lost the plot. What I was hoping for were
some pointers in training him to be more relaxed around other canines.
I'm not prepared to hit him or hurt him in any way with spike collars or
electric collars or anything barbaric like that.

Good. None of that would be needed anyway.

From what little you've written, it *sounds*
like arousal aggression (with dogs. The stuff
concerning drunks sounds more like fear), but
there's a lot that goes into that, and a tail
wag (or, for boxers, a "nubbin wag" :-) could
mean quite a few things.

Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him
while you're training him. Its not only
unfair to those around you to let him offlead
when he attacks like this, but its also
completely counterproductive to his training.

Have you done any obedience training with
him? If not, I'd start on that right away.
Patricia McConnell has some good basic
manners books that help lay the groundwork
for later training: Training the Family Dog
(though I see on her website that the closest
she has is this one
http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/pro...-training-book
which I assume is either a new edition, or a
new book).

Even though the problem is clearly not
limited to leash issues, I would also
seriously consider getting her book "Feisty
Fido" because it teaches the owner how to
regain their dog's focus while on leash in
the face of whatever is triggering their
agression. That's a skill you will need in
your situation whether or not you ever get to
the point where he gets reliable offlead.

Internet "pointers" when it comes to
aggression issues like this are usually of
the management variety, with a suggestion
that you fond someone in-person who can look
at and assess your dog's behavior. So my main
suggestion is to really work hard on your
basic obedience, whether or not you think you
need it. A good, solid relationship in the
context of training sets the groundwork for
more advanced training....which is what
you'll need for this sort of issue.

"Tara Green" wrote in message
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Steve....he's not kidding.

No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the dog
down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for the purpose
of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house and hitting it.

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:30:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:21:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


Miss Tare, you forgot some options and scenarios in your "keep the dog at
any price" diatribe.

Steve

Whenever I read one of your posts, I always end up asking myself this
question: Why does he come here? He doesn't know anything about dogs.
He never shows any interest in learning anything about dogs. He
doesn't like any of the regulars, the only ones here who can actually
help him with his many problems, often ridiculing them and calling
them names. He never takes any advice from the regulars. So, again,
why does he come here?

The only answer I can come up with that makes even a little sense is
that you are a TROLL.

I've wondered this as well. The other possibility is that, like
another person who shall remain nameless, he likes, and is seeking,
attention.

HEY BUBBA HOLD MY BEER, I GOT ANOTHER ONE!

Nah. Not a troll. That would be as easy as fishing with dynamite. There
is some useful information here, just a few sprinkled neurotics who think
that every situation can be solved with love and tenderness.

Just like a cuckold who keeps taking back the unfaithful partner, or someone
who loves their spouse who beats them. (It happens both ways.)

Reality is nature's way of keeping things straight.

People even lose their right to live, except in states where neurotics have
made laws overruling this.

Steve


--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?

So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"sionnach" wrote in message
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"Tara Green" wrote in message
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Steve....he's not kidding.

No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the
dog down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for the
purpose of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house and
hitting it.


He also bit me once for pulling one of those tufts of hair corgis get off
him. The tuft was just hanging there, and was not connected to any skin.

Steve
--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him while you're training him. Its
not only unfair to those around you to let him offlead when he attacks
like this, but its also completely counterproductive to his training.

Translation, don't touch the dog no matter what he does. If those around
you don't have the sense to clear out, and they get bitten, it's THEIR
fault, not the dog.


Even though the problem is clearly not limited to leash issues, I would
also seriously consider getting her book "Feisty Fido" because it teaches
the owner how to regain their dog's focus while on leash in the face of
whatever is triggering their agression. That's a skill you will need in
your situation whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets
reliable offlead.

Whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets reliable offlead?
How many incidents, arrests, and court appearances would that be? How many
strikes does the dog get? Or do you merely count stitches on people?


Internet "pointers" when it comes to aggression issues like this are
usually of the management variety, with a suggestion that you fond someone
in-person who can look at and assess your dog's behavior. So my main
suggestion is to really work hard on your basic obedience, whether or not
you think you need it. A good, solid relationship in the context of
training sets the groundwork for more advanced training....which is what
you'll need for this sort of issue.

And don't forget to have your ass covered by plenty of insurance. And also
don't forget the pocket first aid kit.

Steve


--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?

SteveB wrote:
Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him while you're training him. Its
not only unfair to those around you to let him offlead when he attacks
like this, but its also completely counterproductive to his training.

Translation, don't touch the dog no matter what he does. If those around
you don't have the sense to clear out, and they get bitten, it's THEIR
fault, not the dog.

That wasn't even remotely a "translation" of
what I said.

Not even close.

Next time, try to actually read what people
are saying rather than what you ASS-U-ME
people are saying. Cuz so far, you've never
once gotten anything right in any of your
"translations" here. Not for anyone else's
words. Not once.

In fact, all of your "translations" seem to
be made up **** that you pulled out of your ass.


Even though the problem is clearly not limited to leash issues, I would
also seriously consider getting her book "Feisty Fido" because it teaches
the owner how to regain their dog's focus while on leash in the face of
whatever is triggering their agression. That's a skill you will need in
your situation whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets
reliable offlead.

Whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets reliable offlead?
How many incidents, arrests, and court appearances would that be? How many
strikes does the dog get? Or do you merely count stitches on people?

What you are saying has zero to do with what
I just said.

There are far better indications for
relibility than whether or not someone ends
up bleeding.

Please don't assume everyone else is a big an
idiot about dogs as you are....most aren't.

Internet "pointers" when it comes to aggression issues like this are
usually of the management variety, with a suggestion that you fond someone
in-person who can look at and assess your dog's behavior. So my main
suggestion is to really work hard on your basic obedience, whether or not
you think you need it. A good, solid relationship in the context of
training sets the groundwork for more advanced training....which is what
you'll need for this sort of issue.

And don't forget to have your ass covered by plenty of insurance. And also
don't forget the pocket first aid kit.

Juat a leash will do fine.

Again, you might be that big an idiot....not
everyone else is.

SteveB wrote:
So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"sionnach" wrote in message
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"Tara Green" wrote in message
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Steve....he's not kidding.
No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the
dog down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for the
purpose of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house and
hitting it.


He also bit me once for pulling one of those tufts of hair corgis get off
him. The tuft was just hanging there, and was not connected to any skin.


Funny how many times he bit you now that
you're not busy lying about his behavior.

"Tara Green" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:
So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"sionnach" wrote in message
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"Tara Green" wrote in message
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Steve....he's not kidding.
No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the
dog down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for the
purpose of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house and
hitting it.


He also bit me once for pulling one of those tufts of hair corgis get off
him. The tuft was just hanging there, and was not connected to any skin.


Funny how many times he bit you now that you're not busy lying about his
behavior.

I just can't get my head around what would have to happen to a dog to behave
like that.

--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"Steve" wrote in message
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"Tara Green" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:
So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"sionnach" wrote in message
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"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
Steve....he's not kidding.
No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the
dog down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for
the purpose of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house
and hitting it.


He also bit me once for pulling one of those tufts of hair corgis get
off him. The tuft was just hanging there, and was not connected to any
skin.


Funny how many times he bit you now that you're not busy lying about his
behavior.

I just can't get my head around what would have to happen to a dog to
behave like that.

I coped with it for years until one of his bites almost broke my finger.
But you know what? I don't find it that important to get inside his head
and understand all that. I don't want to be so kind and understanding about
why a pedophile does what they do, either. I had small children around, and
I didn't want them to pay for my inaction.

Steve