"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him while you're training him.
Its not only unfair to those around you to let him offlead when he
attacks like this, but its also completely counterproductive to his
training.

Translation, don't touch the dog no matter what he does. If those around
you don't have the sense to clear out, and they get bitten, it's THEIR
fault, not the dog.

That wasn't even remotely a "translation" of what I said.

Not even close.

Next time, try to actually read what people are saying rather than what
you ASS-U-ME people are saying. Cuz so far, you've never once gotten
anything right in any of your "translations" here. Not for anyone else's
words. Not once.

In fact, all of your "translations" seem to be made up **** that you
pulled out of your ass.


Even though the problem is clearly not limited to leash issues, I would
also seriously consider getting her book "Feisty Fido" because it
teaches the owner how to regain their dog's focus while on leash in the
face of whatever is triggering their agression. That's a skill you will
need in your situation whether or not you ever get to the point where he
gets reliable offlead.

Whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets reliable offlead?
How many incidents, arrests, and court appearances would that be? How
many strikes does the dog get? Or do you merely count stitches on
people?

What you are saying has zero to do with what I just said.

There are far better indications for relibility than whether or not
someone ends up bleeding.

Please don't assume everyone else is a big an idiot about dogs as you
are....most aren't.

Internet "pointers" when it comes to aggression issues like this are
usually of the management variety, with a suggestion that you fond
someone in-person who can look at and assess your dog's behavior. So my
main suggestion is to really work hard on your basic obedience, whether
or not you think you need it. A good, solid relationship in the context
of training sets the groundwork for more advanced training....which is
what you'll need for this sort of issue.

And don't forget to have your ass covered by plenty of insurance. And
also don't forget the pocket first aid kit.

Juat a leash will do fine.

Again, you might be that big an idiot....not everyone else is.

You clearly stated that this man may never be able to trust his dog off
leash. Be sure to take video you can sell to those animal shows where pets
go wild on their owners. Or their neighbor's kids.


--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:02:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

The only answer I can come up with that makes even a little sense is
that you are a TROLL.

I've wondered this as well. The other possibility is that, like
another person who shall remain nameless, he likes, and is seeking,
attention.

HEY BUBBA HOLD MY BEER, I GOT ANOTHER ONE!

Nah. Not a troll.

Based on these last few replies of yours, it's obvious to me now that
you're also STUPID. And stupid can't be fixed.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:42:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


You clearly stated that this man may never be able to trust his dog off
leash. Be sure to take video you can sell to those animal shows where pets
go wild on their owners. Or their neighbor's kids.

It's difficult to follow any thread you're involved in because of the
way you throw in unrelated garbage, but as I recall, the OP's problem
with his dog is dog aggression. Dog on dog aggression and dog on
human aggression rarely occur in the same dog, because they are
unrelated. (Your situation may be different, because of whatever it
is that is occurring in your house.) If you had any real knowledge of
dog behavior, you would know that.

Steve wrote:
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"sionnach" wrote in message
...
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
Steve....he's not kidding.
No, he's not. What he's leaving out is that he created the problem by
criminally mishandling the dog. According to what he posted, he put the
dog down for biting him when he was attempting to put a leash on for the
purpose of dragging the dog to where it had urinated in the house and
hitting it.

He also bit me once for pulling one of those tufts of hair corgis get off
him. The tuft was just hanging there, and was not connected to any skin.


Funny how many times he bit you now that you're not busy lying about his
behavior.

I just can't get my head around what would have to happen to a dog to behave
like that.



I saw it. Twice, unfortunately. Both times
the owner had weird anger problems
themselves. Both were able to "not see" the
dog's pushy and aggressive behaviors, but
would all of a sudden hit a wall and freak
out over seemingly random things (and never
the *same* things, so to the dog it was
always arbitrary). The dog would be pushy
over food (sound familiar SteveB?), steal
what wasn't his, get defensive over
protecting it....and no reaction from the
owner (so it MUST be ok....right?), then all
of a sudden, the dog reaches up (as always)
to grab food from an inappropriate
place....but this time *touches* the owner,
and WHAM! Meltdown. DOg is being hit and
terrorized.

Doesn't take too long for a dog with any
healthy level of confidence (something Corgis
are known for) to end up pre-emptively
biting. Doesn't take too much longer after
that for them to start generalizing that
behavior onto other people they come into
contact with.

Is really sad.

In both cases I saw, the owners were neurotic
messes who couldn't see how badly they were
setting up their dogs to die. In both cases,
they killed their dogs.....against my strong
recommendations to rehome them. I'd been
begging one of them to rehome the dog since
he was a puppy because I could see this
coming for 2.5 years. The other HAD an
agility/hunting home waiting for him. He went
to live there every summer, and never ever
EVER bit anyone, or even behaved
inappropriately while under their care. They
would have taken hm in a second. The second
owner, I believe, would give him to those
people because doing so would have
acknowledged that this was HER failure....so,
she thought it was better to blame and kill
the dog than to admit that her handling
wasn't appropriate. When she got another dog
(same intense breed), I refused to work with
her. Last I heard, she at least gave that dog
away when he started getting aggressive.

SteveB wrote:
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him while you're training him.
Its not only unfair to those around you to let him offlead when he
attacks like this, but its also completely counterproductive to his
training.
Translation, don't touch the dog no matter what he does. If those around
you don't have the sense to clear out, and they get bitten, it's THEIR
fault, not the dog.
That wasn't even remotely a "translation" of what I said.

Not even close.

Next time, try to actually read what people are saying rather than what
you ASS-U-ME people are saying. Cuz so far, you've never once gotten
anything right in any of your "translations" here. Not for anyone else's
words. Not once.

In fact, all of your "translations" seem to be made up **** that you
pulled out of your ass.


Even though the problem is clearly not limited to leash issues, I would
also seriously consider getting her book "Feisty Fido" because it
teaches the owner how to regain their dog's focus while on leash in the
face of whatever is triggering their agression. That's a skill you will
need in your situation whether or not you ever get to the point where he
gets reliable offlead.
Whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets reliable offlead?
How many incidents, arrests, and court appearances would that be? How
many strikes does the dog get? Or do you merely count stitches on
people?
What you are saying has zero to do with what I just said.

There are far better indications for relibility than whether or not
someone ends up bleeding.

Please don't assume everyone else is a big an idiot about dogs as you
are....most aren't.

Internet "pointers" when it comes to aggression issues like this are
usually of the management variety, with a suggestion that you fond
someone in-person who can look at and assess your dog's behavior. So my
main suggestion is to really work hard on your basic obedience, whether
or not you think you need it. A good, solid relationship in the context
of training sets the groundwork for more advanced training....which is
what you'll need for this sort of issue.
And don't forget to have your ass covered by plenty of insurance. And
also don't forget the pocket first aid kit.
Juat a leash will do fine.

Again, you might be that big an idiot....not everyone else is.

You clearly stated that this man may never be able to trust his dog off
leash.

And???

I'm betting your dogs aren't exactly reliable
offleash either.

Walking a dog on leash in public isn't
exactly the world's biggest hardship....nor
does it pose a danger to others.

Are you *really* this stupid about dogs? Its
mind boggling. Seriously.


Be sure to take video you can sell to those animal shows where pets
go wild on their owners. Or their neighbor's kids.

You have less than a clue.

You should really stop posting if all you
have to share is your own personal neurosis
and "experienced" based on how NOT to raise a
dog.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:43:26 -0400, Tara Green
wrote:

I believe, would give him to those
people because doing so would have
acknowledged that this was HER failure....so,
she thought it was better to blame and kill
the dog than to admit that her handling
wasn't appropriate.

Could SteveB have a sister somewhere?

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:43:26 -0400, Tara Green
wrote:

I believe, would give him to those
people because doing so would have
acknowledged that this was HER failure....so,
she thought it was better to blame and kill
the dog than to admit that her handling
wasn't appropriate.

Could SteveB have a sister somewhere?

Funny, that's what I was thinking after I
wrote that.

But Steve clearly waited until the dog was
near unplaceable and then gleefully killed him.

At least this dog I referenced received
Agility training and was a trained (novice)
hunting dog, so he had a LOT more going for
him (due only to the energy put into his
training) than Steve's dog was ever going to
have. I can't speak on temperament, but
that's mostly because Steve was so busy lying
about his dog's behavior in the months
leading up to his decision to kill his dog,
that he's lost credibility when he describes
it (suddenly all in the negative) now.

But yeah, aside from the fact that at least
the owner I referenced put energy and time
into *trying* to train her dog (that same
effort into therapy might have done the
trick), they're similar enough.

On Sep 28, 2:06*pm, Tara Green wrote:

But Steve clearly waited until the dog was
near unplaceable and then gleefully killed him.

And blamed it on the newsgroup, which ticked me off more than anything
else. He claims he asked for advice, but anyone who's read his posts
'seeking advice' knows what he does as soon as someone gives him
advice. I doubt that he ever takes advice from anyone about anything,
and I doubt that he ever takes responsibility for his own behavior.

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:42:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


You clearly stated that this man may never be able to trust his dog off
leash. Be sure to take video you can sell to those animal shows where
pets
go wild on their owners. Or their neighbor's kids.

It's difficult to follow any thread you're involved in because of the
way you throw in unrelated garbage, but as I recall, the OP's problem
with his dog is dog aggression. Dog on dog aggression and dog on
human aggression rarely occur in the same dog, because they are
unrelated. (Your situation may be different, because of whatever it
is that is occurring in your house.) If you had any real knowledge of
dog behavior, you would know that.

I also know that terms like should, probably, always, and never are used by
people who don't have a clue about reality, but want to cover their own
asses when something bad happens.

"Well, it should not have happened, and probably wouldn't have because that
never happens in that breed that is always reliable."

Meanwhile, little Tammy is getting A Buck Fifty (gang terms for 150
stitches) in the ER. I know that many things are rare. Dog attacks.
Lightning strikes. Head on collisions. But if you're one of the ones
involved, they are very real, and people like you who dismiss the damage and
woe as "a rare occurrence" are severely impaired insensitive clods.

As the political saying goes, "A liberal is just a conservative who hasn't
been robbed at gunpoint, beaten, and sodomized. YET."

Your garbage is worse than my garbage. Neener, neener, neener.

Steve



--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?

--
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson -

So, how's that change and hope working for you?
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
Given how far he's willing to go though, you
really need to get a handle on managing him while you're training him.
Its not only unfair to those around you to let him offlead when he
attacks like this, but its also completely counterproductive to his
training.
Translation, don't touch the dog no matter what he does. If those
around you don't have the sense to clear out, and they get bitten, it's
THEIR fault, not the dog.
That wasn't even remotely a "translation" of what I said.

Not even close.

Next time, try to actually read what people are saying rather than what
you ASS-U-ME people are saying. Cuz so far, you've never once gotten
anything right in any of your "translations" here. Not for anyone else's
words. Not once.

In fact, all of your "translations" seem to be made up **** that you
pulled out of your ass.


Even though the problem is clearly not limited to leash issues, I
would also seriously consider getting her book "Feisty Fido" because
it teaches the owner how to regain their dog's focus while on leash in
the face of whatever is triggering their agression. That's a skill you
will need in your situation whether or not you ever get to the point
where he gets reliable offlead.
Whether or not you ever get to the point where he gets reliable
offlead? How many incidents, arrests, and court appearances would that
be? How many strikes does the dog get? Or do you merely count
stitches on people?
What you are saying has zero to do with what I just said.

There are far better indications for relibility than whether or not
someone ends up bleeding.

Please don't assume everyone else is a big an idiot about dogs as you
are....most aren't.

Internet "pointers" when it comes to aggression issues like this are
usually of the management variety, with a suggestion that you fond
someone in-person who can look at and assess your dog's behavior. So
my main suggestion is to really work hard on your basic obedience,
whether or not you think you need it. A good, solid relationship in
the context of training sets the groundwork for more advanced
training....which is what you'll need for this sort of issue.
And don't forget to have your ass covered by plenty of insurance. And
also don't forget the pocket first aid kit.
Juat a leash will do fine.

Again, you might be that big an idiot....not everyone else is.

You clearly stated that this man may never be able to trust his dog off
leash.

And???

I'm betting your dogs aren't exactly reliable offleash either.

Walking a dog on leash in public isn't exactly the world's biggest
hardship....nor does it pose a danger to others.

Are you *really* this stupid about dogs? Its mind boggling. Seriously.


Be sure to take video you can sell to those animal shows where pets go
wild on their owners. Or their neighbor's kids.

You have less than a clue.

You should really stop posting if all you have to share is your own
personal neurosis and "experienced" based on how NOT to raise a dog.

And you should quit posting altogether just because. Just because you do
not allow for aberrations that happen in nature, are a known fact, are
documented, but most importantly
HAPPEN TO EVERYONE ELSE.

HTH, but I seriously doubt it.

Steve