As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's fine
with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people when
they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before, but he
gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes cowering down,
sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog, it's like he loses
the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park today, it was very
quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit. I was just finishing a
plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty bottle when a springer
spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog. It was like a switch
flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this poor spaniel and hit it
like a freight train, knocking it flying before pinning it down to the
ground and attempting to savage it. The other dog's owner pulled Oscar off
his dog and I quickly put his lead back on, apologising to the guy as I did
so. There were no injuries, but the poor spaniel must've got a hell of a
fright. When I saw the spaniel and Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to
come to me, but he was oblivious to my presence. Afterwards I swear he
looked positively pleased with himself, strutting alongside me as if he was
saying "I showed that spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other dogs
very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days ago. This
dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all seem
to co-habit with no issues.

"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes cowering
down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog, it's like he
loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park today, it was
very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit. I was just
finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty bottle when
a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog. It was like a
switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this poor spaniel and
hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before pinning it down to
the ground and attempting to savage it. The other dog's owner pulled
Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on, apologising to the
guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the poor spaniel must've got
a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and Oscar's reaction, I
shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious to my presence.
Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with himself, strutting
alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that spaniel who's the man
around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other dogs
very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days ago.
This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to have a
go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt. Hope he never gets pissed
at some human for some reason. Like an eight year old in a clown suit, or a
screaming toddler. Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait till you do
something that really pisses him off. Carry a pocket first aid kit, and
tourniquet material at all times. You're the crazy one, not the dog.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes cowering
down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog, it's like he
loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park today, it was
very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit. I was just
finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty bottle when
a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog. It was like a
switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this poor spaniel and
hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before pinning it down to
the ground and attempting to savage it. The other dog's owner pulled
Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on, apologising to the
guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the poor spaniel must've got
a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and Oscar's reaction, I
shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious to my presence.
Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with himself, strutting
alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that spaniel who's the man
around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other dogs
very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days ago.
This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to have a
go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt.

Just because you're incapable if
understanding what is being said doesn't man
everyone else is.

"According to this group", most would say
that this guy needs to get a handle on this
dog's training ASAP....which would include
managing the situation *while* he's in the
process of defining those limits and teaching
what is acceptable and what isn't.

You just thought that was far too much
work....certainly more than just killing your
"psycho dog" was.

Hope he never gets pissed
at some human for some reason.

If all the ignorant and asinine things you've
said here, this takes the cake.

Animal aggression *does not equal* interdog
aggression.

Its stupid and dangerous for you to present
that as a liklihood. It certainly proves what
everyone here already knows: that you know
bupkiss about dogs, and should really only be
allowed to adopt Furbies.

Like an eight year old in a clown suit, or a
screaming toddler.

Funny, neither of those things look like
dogs.....to me or to my own dog.

You're really reaching here.

Are you trying to get everyone else to kill
their dogs in order to justify your own
decision to not bother with training? Sure
seems like it.

Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait till you do
something that really pisses him off.

Idiot.

Dogs are, apparently smarter than you are in
that they actually know the difference
between dogs and humans.

This dog is clearly showing a specifi type of
interdog aggression (one that, if left
unchecked *can* be typical of Boxers in the
form of Arousal Aggression, though without
more info I can't be sure, of course)

It has zero to do with whether or not the dog
would attack any human.

You were abusive to your dog (probably in
lieu of training), so it only makes sense
that he ended up attacking people. You likely
taught him to do just that.

Carry a pocket first aid kit, and
tourniquet material at all times.

Or....a leash would be better.

And some one-on-one training sessions with a
trainer.

One thing the OP really needs to never do
again is to let his dog offleash in ANY
public area unless and until this issue has
been *FULLY* addressed.

Other than that, he should ignore this
moron's advice completely.....unless you want
to have the same sort of "success" he did in
the form of denying the problem, and then
killing his dog.

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes
cowering down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog,
it's like he loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park
today, it was very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit.
I was just finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty
bottle when a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog.
It was like a switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this
poor spaniel and hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before
pinning it down to the ground and attempting to savage it. The other
dog's owner pulled Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on,
apologising to the guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the poor
spaniel must've got a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and
Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious to
my presence. Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with
himself, strutting alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that
spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other
dogs very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days
ago. This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to
have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt. Hope he never gets
pissed at some human for some reason. Like an eight year old in a clown
suit, or a screaming toddler. Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait
till you do something that really pisses him off. Carry a pocket first
aid kit, and tourniquet material at all times. You're the crazy one, not
the dog.

Steve


It's ok, I got the joke Steve lol.

"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes
cowering down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog,
it's like he loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park
today, it was very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit.
I was just finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty
bottle when a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog.
It was like a switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this
poor spaniel and hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before
pinning it down to the ground and attempting to savage it. The other
dog's owner pulled Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on,
apologising to the guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the
poor spaniel must've got a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and
Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious
to my presence. Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with
himself, strutting alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that
spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other
dogs very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days
ago. This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to
have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt.

Just because you're incapable if understanding what is being said doesn't
man everyone else is.

"According to this group", most would say that this guy needs to get a
handle on this dog's training ASAP....which would include managing the
situation *while* he's in the process of defining those limits and
teaching what is acceptable and what isn't.

You just thought that was far too much work....certainly more than just
killing your "psycho dog" was.

Hope he never gets pissed at some human for some reason.

If all the ignorant and asinine things you've said here, this takes the
cake.

Animal aggression *does not equal* interdog aggression.

Its stupid and dangerous for you to present that as a liklihood. It
certainly proves what everyone here already knows: that you know bupkiss
about dogs, and should really only be allowed to adopt Furbies.

Like an eight year old in a clown suit, or a screaming toddler.

Funny, neither of those things look like dogs.....to me or to my own dog.

You're really reaching here.

Are you trying to get everyone else to kill their dogs in order to justify
your own decision to not bother with training? Sure seems like it.

Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait till you do something that
really pisses him off.

Idiot.

Dogs are, apparently smarter than you are in that they actually know the
difference between dogs and humans.

This dog is clearly showing a specifi type of interdog aggression (one
that, if left unchecked *can* be typical of Boxers in the form of Arousal
Aggression, though without more info I can't be sure, of course)

It has zero to do with whether or not the dog would attack any human.

You were abusive to your dog (probably in lieu of training), so it only
makes sense that he ended up attacking people. You likely taught him to do
just that.

Carry a pocket first aid kit, and tourniquet material at all times.

Or....a leash would be better.

And some one-on-one training sessions with a trainer.

One thing the OP really needs to never do again is to let his dog offleash
in ANY public area unless and until this issue has been *FULLY* addressed.

Other than that, he should ignore this moron's advice
completely.....unless you want to have the same sort of "success" he did
in the form of denying the problem, and then killing his dog.

My message was clear. Be careful. Make sure you are insured, because if
something happens and they find out this dog had a history, you are toast.
Carry medical supplies. Never ever ever let the dog off leash or trust it
with children. Never ever ever get your own face close to the dog's. Then
deal with it until you are a. tired of dealing with it. b. the dog dies
on his own or is killed when it picks something meaner than they are. c.
something happens that is so bad that the authorities euthanasia the dog.
d. you can't stand it any more, and you do the deed. e. you no longer
enjoy the animal. f. your friends and relatives won't visit because of the
dog (which is not a bad thing to some people) g. the dog does something so
horrendous that you then have to accept blame, guilt AND RESPONSIBILITY for
it all, h. owning the dog is more like watching a psycho prisoner than
having a friend. i. sing Kumbaya to the dog fifty times a day. j. chant
"Can't we all just get along?" to the dog while he's fighting, k. let the
dog run your life. l. just say no.

Miss Tare, you forgot some options and scenarios in your "keep the dog at
any price" diatribe.

Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes
cowering down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog,
it's like he loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park
today, it was very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit.
I was just finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty
bottle when a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog.
It was like a switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this
poor spaniel and hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before
pinning it down to the ground and attempting to savage it. The other
dog's owner pulled Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on,
apologising to the guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the
poor spaniel must've got a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and
Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious
to my presence. Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with
himself, strutting alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that
spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other
dogs very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days
ago. This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to
have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.

According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt. Hope he never gets
pissed at some human for some reason. Like an eight year old in a clown
suit, or a screaming toddler. Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait
till you do something that really pisses him off. Carry a pocket first
aid kit, and tourniquet material at all times. You're the crazy one, not
the dog.

Steve


It's ok, I got the joke Steve lol.

I'm not joking. I just put down a dog like that, only he bit me and family
members. And two police officers and a security guard.

Steve

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:21:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


Miss Tare, you forgot some options and scenarios in your "keep the dog at
any price" diatribe.

Steve

Whenever I read one of your posts, I always end up asking myself this
question: Why does he come here? He doesn't know anything about dogs.
He never shows any interest in learning anything about dogs. He
doesn't like any of the regulars, the only ones here who can actually
help him with his many problems, often ridiculing them and calling
them names. He never takes any advice from the regulars. So, again,
why does he come here?

The only answer I can come up with that makes even a little sense is
that you are a TROLL.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:30:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:21:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


Miss Tare, you forgot some options and scenarios in your "keep the dog at
any price" diatribe.

Steve

Whenever I read one of your posts, I always end up asking myself this
question: Why does he come here? He doesn't know anything about dogs.
He never shows any interest in learning anything about dogs. He
doesn't like any of the regulars, the only ones here who can actually
help him with his many problems, often ridiculing them and calling
them names. He never takes any advice from the regulars. So, again,
why does he come here?

The only answer I can come up with that makes even a little sense is
that you are a TROLL.

I've wondered this as well. The other possibility is that, like
another person who shall remain nameless, he likes, and is seeking,
attention.

Steve wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
"Lachlan - KotU" wrote in message
...
As you know I recently rehomed a boxer, Oscar, 3, male, neutered. He's
fine with me, has reached a truce with the cats and is great with people
when they come to the house. I don't know what happened to him before,
but he gets very scared when drunk people approach him, sometimes
cowering down, sometimes growling at them. When he sees another dog,
it's like he loses the plot and tries to kill it. I had him at the park
today, it was very quiet, so I let him off the lead to run about a bit.
I was just finishing a plastic bottle of coke to let him chase the empty
bottle when a springer spaniel appeared with its owner and another dog.
It was like a switch flipped in Oscar's brain, and he charged at this
poor spaniel and hit it like a freight train, knocking it flying before
pinning it down to the ground and attempting to savage it. The other
dog's owner pulled Oscar off his dog and I quickly put his lead back on,
apologising to the guy as I did so. There were no injuries, but the poor
spaniel must've got a hell of a fright. When I saw the spaniel and
Oscar's reaction, I shouted on him to come to me, but he was oblivious to
my presence. Afterwards I swear he looked positively pleased with
himself, strutting alongside me as if he was saying "I showed that
spaniel who's the man around here"
From this behaviour, I'd imagine he's not been socialised with other
dogs very much. He tried to fight with a dogue de bordeaux a few days
ago. This dog was at least twice his weight, but Oscar was determined to
have a go.
Aside from this, he's a lovely gentle big lump of a dog who's no trouble
whatsoever, I leave him alone with the cats during the day and they all
seem to co-habit with no issues.
According to this group, you're the one with the problem, and you should
change to adapt to the ways of this psycho mutt. Hope he never gets
pissed at some human for some reason. Like an eight year old in a clown
suit, or a screaming toddler. Reevaluate your liability insurance. Wait
till you do something that really pisses him off. Carry a pocket first
aid kit, and tourniquet material at all times. You're the crazy one, not
the dog.

Steve


It's ok, I got the joke Steve lol.


Steve....he's not kidding.

SteveB wrote:
"Tara Green" wrote in message

Other than that, he should ignore this moron's advice
completely.....unless you want to have the same sort of "success" he did
in the form of denying the problem, and then killing his dog.

My message was clear. Be careful. Make sure you are insured, because if
something happens and they find out this dog had a history, you are toast.

Or he could train his dog. In much the way
you DIDN'T do.

Carry medical supplies.

Or he could just train the dog, the way you
DIDN'T do.

Never ever ever let the dog off leash or trust it
with children.

Or he could traint he dog.

Never ever ever get your own face close to the dog's.

Or he could train the dog. (and not him his
dog as much as you likely did yours. That
goes a long way towards preventing attacks on
the owners)

Then
deal with it until you are a. tired of dealing with it. b. the dog dies
on his own or is killed when it picks something meaner than they are. c.
something happens that is so bad that the authorities euthanasia the dog.
d. you can't stand it any more, and you do the deed. e. you no longer
enjoy the animal. f. your friends and relatives won't visit because of the
dog (which is not a bad thing to some people) g. the dog does something so
horrendous that you then have to accept blame, guilt AND RESPONSIBILITY for
it all, h. owning the dog is more like watching a psycho prisoner than
having a friend. i. sing Kumbaya to the dog fifty times a day. j. chant
"Can't we all just get along?" to the dog while he's fighting, k. let the
dog run your life. l. just say no.

Or....once again for those with the ability
to learn from Steve's mistakes....you could
just train your dog.

Much simpler and the dog doesn't have to die.

Miss Tare, you forgot some options and scenarios in your "keep the dog at
any price" diatribe.



You mean like projecting my own experience
onto the poster the way you did?

I did....it involves training the dog.

My own Annie came to me an abuse case who was
attacking her previous adoptor's children and
cats (they adopted her after a long hospital
stay from the abuse she received as a 9 week
old puppy). She was a terror.

All she needed was guidance and training.

The kind you never provided for the dog you
killed.

I'm starting to agree with Sally and I.M.
about your status as troll. Except that I
don't think its a pure troll. I think you
need to convince as many other people to kill
their dogs because you don't want to see
anyone actually solve a real problem with
simple training.

Because then you might have to look at the
real possibility that you killed your dog
because you were too stubborn or lazy to
train him. So I respond not because I think
your posts deserve it, but because I think
you'll work extra hard to try and convince
people to kill their problem dogs in order to
soothe your own ego.

And I have a real problem with that. You
killed your own dog already. Why not stop at
that? There's no need to try and kill anyone
else's.