San Diego Pet Vaccination Seminar with Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz

A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March 28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists, Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at dog & canine forum - DogBanter .

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The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund and important vaccine data for pet owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook , where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."

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Kris L. Christine wrote:
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._J ean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_

A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .

*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_

The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."


Good grief!

It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.

You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.

Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
year for Parvo and Heartworm.

I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
still alive.

If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have to
live with for the rest of your lives.

Morons!

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:21:34 GMT, Avid Fan
wrote:

Kris L. Christine wrote:
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._J ean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_

A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .

*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_

The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."


Good grief!

It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.

You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.

Did you even read what's on the linked web site? No, you didn't,
because if you had, you'd know that no one wants to stop vaccinating
against rabies. The goal is to determine the duration of immunity and
extend vaccination intervals accordingly.

Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
year for Parvo and Heartworm.

Where I live you don't vaccinate against heartworm, but I would never
vaccinate my dog every year against anything. It's unnecessary, and
while it's possible that such overvaccination doesn't cause any harm,
it's also possible that it contributes to autoimmune conditions.

Morons!

What's really moronic is offering opinions when you clearly don't
understand what's being discussed.

Avid Fan wrote:
Kris L. Christine wrote:
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._J ean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_


A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .

*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_

The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."


Good grief!

It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.

How is repeating a vaccine over and over when a dog is already immune
cost effective?


You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.

Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies. It's
called natural immunity. The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause
severe damage to dogs and hurt instead of help.
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html


Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
year for Parvo and Heartworm.

Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs? And heartworm
doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.


I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
still alive.

Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
Flu at all. The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous
abortions right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who
came down with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you
bother to get one?


If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have to
live with for the rest of your lives.

You really need to learn about immunity and how it works. Repeated shots
are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies. Please stop having
pets till you get a brain.


Morons!

Idiot!

Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Kris L. Christine wrote:
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._J ean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_


A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .

*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_

The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."


Good grief!

It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.

How is repeating a vaccine over and over when a dog is already immune
cost effective?

It costs me about $200 per year to vaccinate my dog for Parvo and Heart
worm works out to 55c a day

What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
never was vaccinated.

Boosters are need for most vaccines. If you go to Nepal I recommend a
Polio booster



You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.

Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies. It's
called natural immunity.

Immunity passed on by the fact hat the mother was vaccinated and passed
on by mothers milk? There is a world of difference between between
being able to detect low level of antibodies and having immunity.

The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause
severe damage to dogs and hurt instead of help.


http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html

Catherine O Driscoll? BAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHH !!!

Catherine is also an ACT (Animal Communication Training) examiner, and a
qualified Reiki practitioner.

She supports homoeopathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Proof that you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of
the American public.




Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog
every year for Parvo and Heartworm.

Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs?

Wrong Parvo is more likely to kill puppies but it can kill dogs of any
age. We had a death of a 4 year old dog recently at our dog park.

http://tinyurl.com/yl59bfu

Second reason is that if the virus as has no place to live it will die
out like smallpox. I do not want my dog as a carrier killing puppies.

And heartworm
doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.

Cite please. I cannot see how a worm that is passed on by mosquitoes
would be affected by the food a dog eats.

Salmonella is the natural gut flora of birds and dogs so if you feed
your dog raw chicken beware.

http://www.healthy-dogs.net/poisonsprevention.htm

E coli is not great either if you feed your dog beef or Pork.

Fortunately anything hotter than a very hot bath kills them pretty quickly.

I sear on a very hot fry pan for a few seconds the surface of any meat I
feed my dog.




I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
still alive.

Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
Flu at all.

Not over here most flu was Swine Flu. It was extremely infectious

The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous
abortions right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who
came down with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you
bother to get one?


guillain-barre? I drive a car to work. I should worry about a 1-2
chance in a million of geting guillain-barre? when my chances of
geting guillain-barre? if I get Swine Flu 1/25,000

"In fact the most powerful argument in favour of continuing to have flu
vaccine (thereby running a tiny, one or two in a million risk of GBS) is
that flu itself is a relatively common cause of GBS, and would appear to
cause it once in every 14,000 to 25,000 episodes of flu. Running the
risks of a rare vaccine side effect is perfectly acceptable when the
risks from not having the vaccine are much worse."

I get Flu vaccinations every year to be sure that I am not responsible
for killing my elderly mother who refuses to be vaccinated. While this
strain of swine flu was pretty mild bird flu had a mortality rate of
20%. If swine flu and say bird flu get together at least I will be
partially covered.



If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have
to live with for the rest of your lives.

You really need to learn about immunity and how it works.

I have a degree in Microbiology and Biotechnology what do you have?

Repeated shots
are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies. Please stop having
pets till you get a brain.

Please cite and I apologise for ending my original post with an insult.

Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Kris L. Christine wrote:
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._J ean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_


A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .

*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_

The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."


Good grief!

It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.

How is repeating a vaccine over and over when a dog is already immune
cost effective?
It costs me about $200 per year to vaccinate my dog for Parvo and Heart
worm works out to 55c a day

What vaccine have you had that protects you for life?

You don't need a vaccine to have protection for life. It is possible to
be immune from natural exposure. There are lots of dogs who have never
had a rabies vaccine that show antibodies to rabies anyway. That is
natural immunity.

I am sure that
if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
never was vaccinated.

Boosters are need for most vaccines. If you go to Nepal I recommend a
Polio booster

Cites please. Boosters have not been found to help anything. That is the
purpose of the Rabies Challenge, to show that once immune there are no
boosters needed. Indeed, boosters have been found to cause damage and to
reduce immunity.




You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.

Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies.
It's called natural immunity.

Immunity passed on by the fact hat the mother was vaccinated and passed
on by mothers milk? There is a world of difference between between
being able to detect low level of antibodies and having immunity.

I'm not referring to the temporary protection given to pups by the
mother, I'm talking about immunity gotten just from being out and about
in the world, at levels high enough to protect. That is real natural
immunity and it occurs all the time.


The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause severe damage to dogs
and hurt instead of help.


http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html

Catherine O Driscoll? BAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHH !!!

Catherine is also an ACT (Animal Communication Training) examiner, and a
qualified Reiki practitioner.

Yeah, isn't that great?


She supports homoeopathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Proof that you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of
the American public.

I support homeopathy too. I've used it myself, on myself and on pets
successfully. I was skeptical till I saw the proof right before my eyes.
I'm like that. I study things intently till I know for sure one way or
another. You should try it some time.





Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog
every year for Parvo and Heartworm.

Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs?

Wrong Parvo is more likely to kill puppies but it can kill dogs of any
age. We had a death of a 4 year old dog recently at our dog park.

http://tinyurl.com/yl59bfu

And many dogs get it right after they were immunized against it. How did
that happen if vaccines work?


Second reason is that if the virus as has no place to live it will die
out like smallpox. I do not want my dog as a carrier killing puppies.

And heartworm
doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.

Cite please. I cannot see how a worm that is passed on by mosquitoes
would be affected by the food a dog eats.

I bet not. Raw fed dogs are just so much more healthy than dogs fed crap
in a bag because it's a species appropriate diet. They are able to fight
off many things naturally. I've seen it with my own dogs. I live in
Florida where heart worms are everywhere yet my dogs don't get it. They
are tested now and then so I know. Kibble keeps them in a constant half
sick state where they succumb to just about anything that walks by.


Salmonella is the natural gut flora of birds and dogs so if you feed
your dog raw chicken beware.

http://www.healthy-dogs.net/poisonsprevention.htm

E coli is not great either if you feed your dog beef or Pork.

Fortunately anything hotter than a very hot bath kills them pretty
quickly.

Then you need to know that a dog's digestive system is made to handle
things like that. Their stomach acid is a lot stronger than ours is so
food gets digested fast. Their intestines are much shorter too, again so
food gets digested fast. Dogs can eat rancid meat safely.


I sear on a very hot fry pan for a few seconds the surface of any meat I
feed my dog.

There is no reason to but it doesn't hurt. Don't confuse a dog's
digestive system with a human one. They are very different. Study them!





I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
still alive.

Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
Flu at all.

Not over here most flu was Swine Flu. It was extremely infectious

Yeah, that's what they want you to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsawOwPgZZc


The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous abortions
right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who came down
with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you bother to get
one?


guillain-barre? I drive a car to work. I should worry about a 1-2
chance in a million of geting guillain-barre? when my chances of
geting guillain-barre? if I get Swine Flu 1/25,000

Why take any chance at all when the flu shot doesn't work to begin with?


"In fact the most powerful argument in favour of continuing to have flu
vaccine (thereby running a tiny, one or two in a million risk of GBS) is
that flu itself is a relatively common cause of GBS, and would appear to
cause it once in every 14,000 to 25,000 episodes of flu. Running the
risks of a rare vaccine side effect is perfectly acceptable when the
risks from not having the vaccine are much worse."

I get Flu vaccinations every year to be sure that I am not responsible
for killing my elderly mother who refuses to be vaccinated. While this
strain of swine flu was pretty mild bird flu had a mortality rate of
20%. If swine flu and say bird flu get together at least I will be
partially covered.

If you want to see stats look at the flu rate in the US. The percentage
of people who get the flu never went down after vaccines were given. Not
even a little. The same thing happened in Cuba. There was no change in
the percentage of people getting the flu after vaccines for it were
started. The flu shots don't work. You wasted your time. Sounds like
your mothers knows better than you do.




If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have
to live with for the rest of your lives.

You really need to learn about immunity and how it works.

I have a degree in Microbiology and Biotechnology what do you have?

Evidently a lot more common sense than you do! As I said, a dog can be
immune to something without ever getting a vaccine for it. That has been
proven. Flu vaccines do not change the infection rates. That has been
proven too.


Repeated shots are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies.
Please stop having pets till you get a brain.

Please cite and I apologise for ending my original post with an insult.

In the US we have already changed vaccine protocol for pets to allow a
rabies vaccine every three years instead of every year because it turns
out it doesn't go away in one year. How long does it last? Nobody knows
because the drug companies that make the vaccines won't do the studies
to find out. That is where the Rabies Challenge comes in. It is a grass
roots effort to study just how long it does last in order for the
repeated shots to be stopped. The article by Catherine O Driscoll points
out that there are studies that prove that vaccines cause autoimmune
disease. You may want to discredit her but she isn't the one that did
the studies. She just reported about them. You had the cites but chose
not to read them.

"A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the
immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research because
concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood Foundation
which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in the human
immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies
developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.

Avid Fan wrote:


What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
never was vaccinated.

Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.


Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32418446...tious_diseases

Polio is spreading in Nigeria and health officials say in some cases
it's caused by the vaccine used to fight the paralyzing disease.

In July, the World Health Organization issued a warning that this
particular virus might extend beyond Africa. So far, 124 Nigerian
children have been paralyzed this year — about twice those afflicted in
2008.

Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because
it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities. But it's made
from a live polio virus which carries a small risk of causing polio. In
even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a
deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.

A virologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
says genetic analysis proves such mutated viruses have caused at least
seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.

Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:


What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
never was vaccinated.

Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.



the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in the
United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

Do you really need more evidence?

The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
think that it just decided to disappear.




http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEC/CC/polio.php


Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32418446...tious_diseases

You are talking about a faulty vaccine made in a 3rd world country.

Polio is spreading in Nigeria and health officials say in some cases
it's caused by the vaccine used to fight the paralyzing disease.

In July, the World Health Organization issued a warning that this
particular virus might extend beyond Africa. So far, 124 Nigerian
children have been paralyzed this year — about twice those afflicted in
2008.

Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because
it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities. But it's made
from a live polio virus which carries a small risk of causing polio. In
even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a
deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.

A virologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
says genetic analysis proves such mutated viruses have caused at least
seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.

Cite please.

Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:


What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
someone who never was vaccinated.

Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.



the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in the
United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

Do you really need more evidence?

The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
think that it just decided to disappear.

So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself caused
many cases of polio.

According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
million children and adults in the United States were exposed
inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.
SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)
virus and in animal models, the neoplasias induced by SV40 included
primary brain cancers, malignant mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and
systemic lymphomas.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...3acd8ef1f04399

Vaccination Myth #6:

"Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..."

....or was it?

Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the
Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont
to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported
increases as well.

The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and Utah
actually halted vaccination due to the increased incidence and death
rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had received 3
doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).

During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of
the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School
of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio
increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations -- a 50% increase
from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but that the
statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to
give the opposite impression.

It is important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally
accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in
European countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those
that employed it.

According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases
were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of
the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk
vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at
a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.

For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms
similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before
the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics
after the vaccine.

Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised from
20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis statistics was
changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms lasting 60
days (many polio victims' paralysis was temporary).

It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines-at least
on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in
the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later
declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the
vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated
individuals.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee
that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio
vaccine.

At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine
and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Samuel Katz of
Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual US cases of
vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have taken the
oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the
western hemisphere.

Jessica Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center
in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are unaware that
polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human
sacrifices each year."

Compounding this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the
NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of
vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP
"sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC.
For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use.

To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century
does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the
late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of
years by the time the vaccine was introduced.

Vaccination Truth #6:

"The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were
underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately
covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries
that both embraced and rejected the vaccine."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ne-myths2.aspx

Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:


What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
someone who never was vaccinated.

Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.

the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
the United States. By 1965, there were 61.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

If that does not convince you then nothing will.

I do not have access to double blind studies on Polio I am sure they
exist somewhere. Or maybe the ethics comities did not have the heart to
conduct such trial.

Cervical cancer vaccine I can cite because I was involved with them.

16,000 women double blind, enjoy, now tell me there is no proof that
any of them work. In Australia medication subsidised double blind
studies are the very minimum requirement to get subsidy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...m&ordinalpos=1




the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

Do you really need more evidence?

The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
think that it just decided to disappear.

So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself caused
many cases of polio.

According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
million children and adults in the United States were exposed
inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.
SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)
virus and in animal models, the neoplasias induced by SV40 included
primary brain cancers, malignant mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and
systemic lymphomas.

Even the most basic Google search will tell you that Polio is an RNA
virus. SV40 is DNA monkey virus not even remotely related to Polio.
Your link DID NOT MENTION THE POLIO VACCINE AT ALL !!

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...3acd8ef1f04399


Vaccination Myth #6:

"Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..."

...or was it?

Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the
Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont
to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported
increases as well.

The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and Utah
actually halted vaccination due to the increased incidence and death
rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had received 3
doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).

During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of
the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School
of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio
increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations -- a 50% increase
from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but that the
statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to
give the opposite impression.

It is important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally
accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in
European countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those
that employed it.

According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases
were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of
the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk
vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at
a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.

For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms
similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before
the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics
after the vaccine.

Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised from
20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis statistics was
changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms lasting 60
days (many polio victims' paralysis was temporary).

It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines-at least
on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in
the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later
declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the
vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated
individuals.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee
that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio
vaccine.
Cite please 8 cases per year as opposed to 2,525 is still a victory.
For an early vaccine that has since been vastly improved.


At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine
and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Samuel Katz of
Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual US cases of
vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have taken the
oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the
western hemisphere.

Jessica Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center
in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are unaware that
polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human
sacrifices each year."

Compounding this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the
NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of
vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP
"sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC.
For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use.

To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century
does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the
late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of
years by the time the vaccine was introduced.

Vaccination Truth #6:

"The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were
underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately
covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries
that both embraced and rejected the vaccine."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ne-myths2.aspx


You believe what you what to believe. I am old enough to remember the
crippled people hobbling around from Polio. If you what to believe that
a virus that has been around for at least 4,000 years suddenly decided
to leave the western world of its own accord. Just at the time when a
vaccine arrived then go with God.