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Old December 18th 09, 03:37 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Hi Y'all,

It surely is quiet around here. I miss seeing some old familiar faces.

I am a member of an animal advocate group that rallies at the court
house when an animal abuser or murderer is being tried or has a court
appearance.

One of our cases just ended (after one long year). The murderer pled
guilty to a misdemeanor and was sentenced to a year of probation and a
fine.

He admittedly bashed two kittens to death with a broom. His daughter
rescued one and the mother cat fled.

His assertion at the end of the fiasco (court hearings) was that he only
struck each kitten once (with a broom) on the head.

I spoke to the state's attorney at length. The case that started our as
a felony ended up being reduced to a misdemeanor because the witnesses
to the crime (his son and daughter) could not be located. Also beause a
Vet certifeld by the AVMA testfied that a single blow to the head was
preferable (less painful) than chemical euthanasia.

Of course no autopsy was done to discern how many blows were
administered. The murderer clearly stated he killed them and would have
killed all of them and the mother cat if he could have.

It no longer matters at this stage of the game as far as the outcome of
the case but I just find such a statement shocking.

I read through the AVMA website and could not find anything that
addressed the subject one way or another. The website clearly states no
medical advice will be given but I wrote to them anyway hoping for a
confirmatio or denial of the above statement. I don't really want an
advice.

I know some of you are on a first name basis with your Vets and have
quite a rapport due to having multiple animals or having animals for a
long time. Could you please pose the question to your Vet when you have
an opportunity if it is not an inconvenience.

If anyone knows of a site that I could access that would confirm or deny
the Vet's statement please post it. Thanks for any information you may
have. I appreciate it and I am sorry for inflicting the gory details
but we are trying to make a difference and see that animal killers get
what they deserve.


Be Free.....Judy

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Old December 18th 09, 06:35 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Judith Althouse" wrote in message
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Hi Y'all,

It surely is quiet around here. I miss seeing some old familiar faces.

I am a member of an animal advocate group that rallies at the court
house when an animal abuser or murderer is being tried or has a court
appearance.


One of our cases just ended (after one long year). The murderer pled
guilty to a misdemeanor and was sentenced to a year of probation and a
fine.


James Lee, Okaloosa County FL, cat killer.

He admittedly bashed two kittens to death with a broom. His daughter
rescued one and the mother cat fled.

His assertion at the end of the fiasco (court hearings) was that he only
struck each kitten once (with a broom) on the head.

I spoke to the state's attorney at length. The case that started our as
a felony ended up being reduced to a misdemeanor because the witnesses
to the crime (his son and daughter) could not be located. Also beause a
Vet certifeld by the AVMA testfied that a single blow to the head was
preferable (less painful) than chemical euthanasia.


Jesus ****ing christ! If that is so, why don't vets bash pets in the head
when they need to be euthanized?
Who was the vet testifying for? I'd submit a formal complaint to the AVMA
and whatever board this vet is licensed with. That is not ethical.


Of course no autopsy was done to discern how many blows were
administered. The murderer clearly stated he killed them and would have
killed all of them and the mother cat if he could have.

It no longer matters at this stage of the game as far as the outcome of
the case but I just find such a statement shocking.

I read through the AVMA website and could not find anything that
addressed the subject one way or another. The website clearly states no
medical advice will be given but I wrote to them anyway hoping for a
confirmatio or denial of the above statement. I don't really want an
advice.

I know some of you are on a first name basis with your Vets and have
quite a rapport due to having multiple animals or having animals for a
long time. Could you please pose the question to your Vet when you have
an opportunity if it is not an inconvenience.

If anyone knows of a site that I could access that would confirm or deny
the Vet's statement please post it. Thanks for any information you may
have. I appreciate it and I am sorry for inflicting the gory details
but we are trying to make a difference and see that animal killers get
what they deserve.


Be Free.....Judy



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Old December 19th 09, 01:27 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Dejablues said in part...
James Lee, Okaloosa County, Fl, cat killer
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Yep, that's him.

Do you know the evil old man killed the kittens in October of "09 and
after 10 or 12 hearings the case ended in his sentencing a week ago. (if
you want to call it a sentence)

Ok, this is the deal, it never went to trial. The defense presented a
Vet who testified to the dumb ass statement I already posted. I was not
able to get the Vet's name only that he was certified by the AVMA. We
are in the process of trying to find out his name right now.

That is a good idea I think I will suggest reporting him to the AVMA or
do it on my own when we find out his name. If I had the cash I would
like to pay for an ad in the local paper stating his preferred method of
euthanasia.

You know how it is when you are paying for testimony they will say
anything you want them to say. Since there never was a trial and the
fact that the state's attorney's office is lacking there was never any
testimony to rebut his.

As a side note the prosecutor shared with me that he (the Vet) informed
her that a cow is killed by a blow to the head before being butchered.
She was surprised by his comment. She didn't know that. I wonder if
she thought cattle died of old age before being made into burgers. I
bet she would flip out if she new where Veal came from (or not).

Thanks for your words or encouragement. If I get any news about this
case I will be back and let you know.

Our next case is an asshole that slashed his girlfriend's Pit Bull 80
times with a meat cleaver (while she looked on). He was initially found
incompetent to stand trial. He is now apparently able to stand trial.
He is Shawn Thayer the murderer of Bugsy. The dog had a "good dog"
obedience award on the wall. Too bad poor sweet Bugsy was a Pit Bull.
I have a sad feeling about how this one is going to go. Yep, you
guessed it Shawn Thayer is from Okaloosa County!!


Be Free.....Judy

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Old December 19th 09, 01:40 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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OOps I mean the cat killer murdered the kittens in Oct of '08 and he was
just sentenced a week ago. (over a year later)

I would think the taxpayers of Okaloosa County would be pissed about how
much money James Decatur Lee cost them in court appearances!


Be Free.....Judy

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Old December 20th 09, 12:31 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Judith Althouse" wrote in message
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OOps I mean the cat killer murdered the kittens in Oct of '08 and he was
just sentenced a week ago. (over a year later)

I would think the taxpayers of Okaloosa County would be pissed about how
much money James Decatur Lee cost them in court appearances!


Here in (C)harm City, the City that Bleeds more than it Reads, led by
Reverse Robbin' Hood Sheila Dixon, there is a pending case against a pair
of young gangsters who set a PBT puppy on fire, and of course they have
pled not guilty:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,1067247.story

The original story:
http://wjz.com/pets/animal.abuse.fire.2.1021429.html

and more details and updates:
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/15502/MD/US/RSS/#UPDATES
http://wjz.com/local/dog.burning.crime.2.1378227.html

Here is a site with a story about Sheila Dixon's animal cruelty task force
and some other articles of interest:
http://www.ohmidog.com/2009/09/09/

I wonder how some of the defense attornies who represent thugs like this
can sleep at night, when they pull all sorts of tricks to get their clients
"off", even when their guilt is obvious. I think the purpose of a defense
attorney is to make sure one gets a fair trial and a reasonable sentence
when guilt is established. It does no good for the perps or for the
citizens who pay for trials to have them released into public with no
effective means of rehabilitation or monitoring. Look at the recent case
where a felon carried a 50 caliber handgun into a meeting with his parole
officer and then shot at police a short time later. Fortunately he was
killed by the heroic officers.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,6817168.story
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,1584661.story
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?p=5602036

Wandered a bit from animal abuse, but kids who abuse animals generally have
low self-esteem and not much appreciation of any life, so they soon
graduate to human violence.

Paul and Muttley
www.MuttleyDog.com


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Old December 20th 09, 01:15 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Judith Althouse" wrote in message
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As a side note the prosecutor shared with me that he (the Vet) informed
her that a cow is killed by a blow to the head before being butchered.
She was surprised by his comment. She didn't know that. I wonder if
she thought cattle died of old age before being made into burgers. I
bet she would flip out if she new where Veal came from (or not).


My friend had a cat named Ashes, who was particularly unfriendly and
dangerous. If he, or anyone, tried to pwt her or even got close, she would
attack without warning and inflict wounds with her teeth and claws. So he
took her into the back yard, put a gun to her head, and ended her life with
a single shot. This was painless and possibly more humane than dragging her
to the vets and probably needing to restrain her while a tranquilizer was
administered followed by the pink juice. And it cost only about $0.25, so
he could use the money he saved to rescue a very gentle cat. Some animals
(including human ones) just don't deserve to live, and would fall under the
Texas defense of "he/she needed killin'".

http://www.city-data.com/forum/austi...ing-texas.html

Since we are now covered with at least a foot of the evil white stuff, I
like the domain name where the Texas statute is cited:
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007...perty-round-2/

and the actual statute:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u.../PE.9.htm#9.42

Don't mess with Texas. You'll get a beating around the Bush ranch...

Paul and the MuttMeister
www.MuttleyDog.com


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Old December 20th 09, 05:17 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Judith Althouse" wrote in message
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As a side note the prosecutor shared with me that he (the Vet) informed
her that a cow is killed by a blow to the head before being butchered.
She was surprised by his comment. She didn't know that. I wonder if
she thought cattle died of old age before being made into burgers. I
bet she would flip out if she new where Veal came from (or not).


Well, it isn't really a blow to the head. It's called a captive-bolt
pistol, and it plunges a bolt into the animals forehead. It's isn't really
meant to kill them, it renders them unconscious so the heart keeps beating
while they are exsanguinated, which does kill them.
Unpleasant, yes, but not inhumane.

 




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