Char wrote:
Dohtur wrote:
Hi
I have 2 dogs, and that hair on the clothes and on the floor was real
problem. I searched for the solutions of it, and collected different
methods of removing pet hair. But first of all you, certanly, must
take care of your pet, to prevent shed.

So, keep your pet well groomed, because it's by far the most important
step you can take in controlling the hair in your home.

Actually, the most important step is to feed them better so they shed
less. I saw a huge decrease in hair around the house when I started
feeding raw. Coats got a lot better looking too.

Of course most people are accustomed to lots of shedding because they
feed kibble. They think that is normal. Poor dogs!


The debate about dry food versus meat is ongoing - I am not sure about
the answer.

One thing I do believe is that dogs that are feed purely on meat do not
fair well. I believe that a dog that is feed kibble is healthier than a
dog fed meat alone.

My vet tells me that dogs need some vegetables because they do not get
all the vitamins they need from meat alone.

The dog owners that I know that feed their dogs meat alone seem to have
a lot of mysterious "allergies".

My dog does not eat her vegetables. I feed my dog a mixture of meat
(I quickly sear the meat in frypan to reduce the microbial load) and dry
food.

Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Dohtur wrote:
Hi
I have 2 dogs, and that hair on the clothes and on the floor was real
problem. I searched for the solutions of it, and collected different
methods of removing pet hair. But first of all you, certanly, must
take care of your pet, to prevent shed.

So, keep your pet well groomed, because it's by far the most important
step you can take in controlling the hair in your home.

Actually, the most important step is to feed them better so they shed
less. I saw a huge decrease in hair around the house when I started
feeding raw. Coats got a lot better looking too.

Of course most people are accustomed to lots of shedding because they
feed kibble. They think that is normal. Poor dogs!


The debate about dry food versus meat is ongoing - I am not sure about
the answer.

One thing I do believe is that dogs that are feed purely on meat do not
fair well. I believe that a dog that is feed kibble is healthier than a
dog fed meat alone.

You need to research the facts then. Dogs are meant to eat just meat.
And when I say that I mean meat, bones and organ meats. Plain meat alone
would not be as complete although anything beats kibble nutritionally.
Kibble is mostly grains which is not species appropriate.


My vet tells me that dogs need some vegetables because they do not get
all the vitamins they need from meat alone.

Your vet is wrong. Dogs are unable to process anything nutritionally
from vegetables unless they are cooked to death to break down the cell
walls, and doing that of course reduces the nutrition, just like it does
in kibble.


The dog owners that I know that feed their dogs meat alone seem to have
a lot of mysterious "allergies".

Not based on facts at all!


My dog does not eat her vegetables. I feed my dog a mixture of meat
(I quickly sear the meat in frypan to reduce the microbial load) and dry
food.

No need to sear the meat. Their systems are able to handle quite rancid
meat with no harm done at all.

Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Dohtur wrote:
Hi
I have 2 dogs, and that hair on the clothes and on the floor was real
problem. I searched for the solutions of it, and collected different
methods of removing pet hair. But first of all you, certanly, must
take care of your pet, to prevent shed.

So, keep your pet well groomed, because it's by far the most important
step you can take in controlling the hair in your home.

Actually, the most important step is to feed them better so they shed
less. I saw a huge decrease in hair around the house when I started
feeding raw. Coats got a lot better looking too.

Of course most people are accustomed to lots of shedding because they
feed kibble. They think that is normal. Poor dogs!


The debate about dry food versus meat is ongoing - I am not sure about
the answer.

One thing I do believe is that dogs that are feed purely on meat do
not fair well. I believe that a dog that is feed kibble is healthier
than a dog fed meat alone.

You need to research the facts then. Dogs are meant to eat just meat.
And when I say that I mean meat, bones and organ meats. Plain meat alone
would not be as complete although anything beats kibble nutritionally.
Kibble is mostly grains which is not species appropriate.


My vet tells me that dogs need some vegetables because they do not get
all the vitamins they need from meat alone.

Your vet is wrong. Dogs are unable to process anything nutritionally
from vegetables unless they are cooked to death to break down the cell
walls, and doing that of course reduces the nutrition, just like it does
in kibble.

Look up "all meat disease syndrome" .

Dogs fed a totally vegetarian seem to do just fine. Dogs are omnivores
Cats on the other hand

http://www.vegetariandogs.com/

I am only talking about a few vitamins minerals and fibre.



The dog owners that I know that feed their dogs meat alone seem to
have a lot of mysterious "allergies".

Not based on facts at all!

These are my observations and correlate with "all meat disease syndrome".



My dog does not eat her vegetables. I feed my dog a mixture of meat
(I quickly sear the meat in frypan to reduce the microbial load) and
dry food.

No need to sear the meat. Their systems are able to handle quite rancid
meat with no harm done at all.

Google "dog bacterial food poisoning"

Sure your dog may have eaten rancid food and gotten away with it and
people have survived gas warfare does not mean it is good for you.

Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Dohtur wrote:
Hi
I have 2 dogs, and that hair on the clothes and on the floor was real
problem. I searched for the solutions of it, and collected different
methods of removing pet hair. But first of all you, certanly, must
take care of your pet, to prevent shed.

So, keep your pet well groomed, because it's by far the most important
step you can take in controlling the hair in your home.

Actually, the most important step is to feed them better so they
shed less. I saw a huge decrease in hair around the house when I
started feeding raw. Coats got a lot better looking too.

Of course most people are accustomed to lots of shedding because
they feed kibble. They think that is normal. Poor dogs!


The debate about dry food versus meat is ongoing - I am not sure
about the answer.

One thing I do believe is that dogs that are feed purely on meat do
not fair well. I believe that a dog that is feed kibble is healthier
than a dog fed meat alone.

You need to research the facts then. Dogs are meant to eat just meat.
And when I say that I mean meat, bones and organ meats. Plain meat
alone would not be as complete although anything beats kibble
nutritionally. Kibble is mostly grains which is not species appropriate.


My vet tells me that dogs need some vegetables because they do not
get all the vitamins they need from meat alone.

Your vet is wrong. Dogs are unable to process anything nutritionally
from vegetables unless they are cooked to death to break down the cell
walls, and doing that of course reduces the nutrition, just like it
does in kibble.

Look up "all meat disease syndrome" .

I did. As I said, we don't feed all meat, we feed bones and organs, all
parts of animals. Nothing else is needed for optimal health.


Dogs fed a totally vegetarian seem to do just fine.

They do fine on kibble too but down the road many get diabetes, kidney
diseases, etc. Doing fine and being healthy are not the same.

Dogs are omnivores

No they are not. Currently, the domestic dog is listed as a subspecies
of Canis lupus in the order of Carnivora. Carnivores!

Cats on the other hand

http://www.vegetariandogs.com/

I am only talking about a few vitamins minerals and fibre.

Exactly which ones? Dogs don't need fiber outside of what they get in
their prey.




The dog owners that I know that feed their dogs meat alone seem to
have a lot of mysterious "allergies".

Not based on facts at all!

These are my observations and correlate with "all meat disease syndrome".

A carnivore is not harmed by eating prey. You need to be more specific
about this syndrome. The links I read had it based on fallacies like
they eat the stomachs of their prey which they don't.




My dog does not eat her vegetables. I feed my dog a mixture of
meat (I quickly sear the meat in frypan to reduce the microbial load)
and dry food.

No need to sear the meat. Their systems are able to handle quite
rancid meat with no harm done at all.

Google "dog bacterial food poisoning"

You are the one that needs to Google it. A dog's digestive system is
designed for eating meat, even rancid meat. The intestines are short so
food isn't in the system long enough to cause a problem. The stomach
acids are super strong to destroy bacteria. They are designed to eat prey.


Sure your dog may have eaten rancid food and gotten away with it and
people have survived gas warfare does not mean it is good for you.

Dogs also survive on vegetarian diets, people survive on Big Macs.
Surviving is not the same as being healthy. Dogs have been around for
many times longer than kibble has. Their digestive systems are built
around getting nutrition from prey, not kibble. Kibble is primarily
grains cooked to death and filled with products rejected by human food
manufacturers. Road kill, feathers and downed cattle are legal
components of kibble. Yeah, that sounds appetizing!

In scientific studies grains have been shown to be a problem in a
human's omnivorous diets, causing diabetes for instance. They have also
been shown to be detrimental in a carnivore's diet, such as dogs.

I'm not the one with problems concerning shedding hair in the house. My
dogs are fed a species appropriate diet.

Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:

I did. As I said, we don't feed all meat, we feed bones and organs,
all parts of animals. Nothing else is needed for optimal health.


Dogs fed a totally vegetarian seem to do just fine.

They do fine on kibble too but down the road many get diabetes, kidney
diseases, etc. Doing fine and being healthy are not the same.

Dogs are omnivores

No they are not. Currently, the domestic dog is listed as a subspecies
of Canis lupus in the order of Carnivora. Carnivores!

no carnivores can live on just meat, or bones, offal etc - they have to have
stomach contents, IE grains, grasses and other vegetation, otherwise they
die.



Cats on the other hand

http://www.vegetariandogs.com/

I am only talking about a few vitamins minerals and fibre.

Exactly which ones? Dogs don't need fiber outside of what they get in
their prey.




The dog owners that I know that feed their dogs meat alone seem to
have a lot of mysterious "allergies".

Not based on facts at all!

These are my observations and correlate with "all meat disease
syndrome".

A carnivore is not harmed by eating prey. You need to be more specific
about this syndrome. The links I read had it based on fallacies like
they eat the stomachs of their prey which they don't.


Dogs are basically scavengers - they survive by eating carrrion - sure they
may 'hunt' smaller animals like rodents etc, but they aren't powerful enough
to bring down a buffalo, so they scavenge leftovers from other animals'
kills, and carrion.
Eating rodents and birds etc means that they eat everything - the whole
animal, stomach and all.
Obviously they wouldn't get chance to eat somach contents with the leftovers
from a buffalo because the lion would have taken that first, and in that
case they would get what the pride of lions have left - muscle meat - pure
protein which is next to useless and any animal trying to survive eating
just pure beef like this is doomed.





My dog does not eat her vegetables. I feed my dog a mixture of
meat (I quickly sear the meat in frypan to reduce the microbial
load) and dry food.

No need to sear the meat. Their systems are able to handle quite
rancid meat with no harm done at all.

Google "dog bacterial food poisoning"

You are the one that needs to Google it. A dog's digestive system is
designed for eating meat, even rancid meat. The intestines are short
so food isn't in the system long enough to cause a problem. The
stomach acids are super strong to destroy bacteria. They are designed
to eat prey.

Sure your dog may have eaten rancid food and gotten away with it and
people have survived gas warfare does not mean it is good for you.

Dogs also survive on vegetarian diets, people survive on Big Macs.
Surviving is not the same as being healthy. Dogs have been around for
many times longer than kibble has. Their digestive systems are built
around getting nutrition from prey, not kibble. Kibble is primarily
grains cooked to death and filled with products rejected by human food
manufacturers. Road kill, feathers and downed cattle are legal
components of kibble. Yeah, that sounds appetizing!


If a wild dog came across a dead chicken or any other bird, it would eat the
whole thing, feathers too....how you differentiate between feeding your dogs
bones and other dogs eating feathers is beyond me - downed cattle would be a
prime source of nutrition for any wild dog, as would roadkill


In scientific studies grains have been shown to be a problem in a
human's omnivorous diets, causing diabetes for instance. They have
also been shown to be detrimental in a carnivore's diet, such as dogs.

I'm not the one with problems concerning shedding hair in the house.
My dogs are fed a species appropriate diet.



--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

Phil L wrote:

no carnivores can live on just meat, or bones, offal etc - they have to have
stomach contents, IE grains, grasses and other vegetation, otherwise they
die.


This is all I need to hear from Phil to know he's clueless. I know
people who have fed raw with no grains, grasses or any vegetation for
20-30 years or more and nobody's dog died. That's insane.

Phil, look up the definition of carnivore. Keep reading it to yourself
till it sinks in.

Studies are now showing that grains are not only not good for carnivores
but bad for omnivores as well. Even herbivores can have too much grain.
Carnivores do not require it, can't digest it and do better without them.

Char wrote:
Phil L wrote:

no carnivores can live on just meat, or bones, offal etc - they have
to have stomach contents, IE grains, grasses and other vegetation,
otherwise they die.


This is all I need to hear from Phil to know he's clueless. I know
people who have fed raw with no grains, grasses or any vegetation for
20-30 years or more and nobody's dog died. That's insane.

It's not insane because their dogs haven't been fed just meat and bones,
they've had vegetation as well.


Phil, look up the definition of carnivore. Keep reading it to yourself
till it sinks in.

I know what a carnivore is - I used to breed snakes, and they eat meat -
whole animals, mice, rats, chicks etc.
You can feed then cubes of steak and liver, but they die.


Studies are now showing that grains are not only not good for
carnivores but bad for omnivores as well. Even herbivores can have
too much grain. Carnivores do not require it, can't digest it and do
better without them.

I see.
So none of your dogs eat grass? - congratulations - you own the only dogs
ever to have been born that don't eat grass.

--
Phil L
RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:02:46 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:


Studies are now showing that grains are not only not good for
carnivores but bad for omnivores as well. Even herbivores can have
too much grain. Carnivores do not require it, can't digest it and do
better without them.

I see.
So none of your dogs eat grass? - congratulations - you own the only dogs
ever to have been born that don't eat grass.

I was just going to comment about the grass eating. Char will say
that dogs only eat grass when they're trying to make up for some
nutritional deficiency resulting from being fed kibble, which is the
same as eating cardboard.

The truth is that Char doesn't have any dogs, and makes up most of
what she says.

Char wrote:
Phil L wrote:

no carnivores can live on just meat, or bones, offal etc - they have
to have stomach contents, IE grains, grasses and other vegetation,
otherwise they die.


This is all I need to hear from Phil to know he's clueless. I know
people who have fed raw with no grains, grasses or any vegetation for
20-30 years or more and nobody's dog died. That's insane.

Wow! Twenty or thirty years, and all the dogs are still alive! This is
amazing!!!

Phil L wrote:

I see.
So none of your dogs eat grass? - congratulations - you own the only dogs
ever to have been born that don't eat grass.


Grass eating is not done for nutrition, it's done for medicinal
purposes. Most times it is thrown up minutes later. It is also a lot
more rare for a raw fed dog to eat grass to begin with because they
don't feel sick as often as kibble fed dogs do.