My 11-year old dachshund, Rosie, has just been diagnosed
with diabetes. I'm now learning everything I can about
treatment, diet, injections, etc., and would like to find
someone to discuss this with - someone who could answer
my questions as I come up with them.

Of course, I can talk with my vet, but sometimes they're
prone to give only some of the answers. I'd like to know
*all* of my options.

Right now Rosie is at the point where the vet is still
"experimenting" to discover the correct insulin dose for
her.

What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.

How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

I have a thousand questions. I hope I can find someone
with answers!!

Thanks in advance,

--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to email)
~~~~~~
http://www.wacvet.com/
http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/

Suzie-Q wrote:
My 11-year old dachshund, Rosie, has just been diagnosed
with diabetes. I'm now learning everything I can about
treatment, diet, injections, etc., and would like to find
someone to discuss this with - someone who could answer
my questions as I come up with them.

Of course, I can talk with my vet, but sometimes they're
prone to give only some of the answers. I'd like to know
*all* of my options.

Right now Rosie is at the point where the vet is still
"experimenting" to discover the correct insulin dose for
her.

What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.


I could not find the advice to start new patients on something else. If
you could copy and paste the text here that would help or you could
just say for example

http://www.vetsulin.com/dog-owner/AboutVetsulin.aspx

under FAQ

Ok you wanted to know what the options were.

Metformin a tablet and cheap improves insulin sensitivity. Mechanism of
action to this day unknown.

Sulphonylureas tablet stimulates the production of insulin. (IMHO you
are simply delaying Insulin with these, no effect on the progression of
the disease)

Glitazones and GLP1s I wont get into them too expensive.

Insulin.

Dogs do not tell you when they are feeling dizzy or strange. In humans
Diabetes goes on for a long time with out being picked up.

I'd say that Rosie's blood sugar levels must be very high and your vet
has used the big guns because he/she wants control quickly, which is
fair enough.


How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

Diabetes is linked to food. If you wake up late your dog will eat
late. Vesulin appears to be a long acting insulin, should be OK.

If you inject your dog twice a day, without fail, your dog's treatment
will be miles ahead of many human diabetic patients.

Suzie-Q wrote:
My 11-year old dachshund, Rosie, has just been diagnosed
with diabetes. I'm now learning everything I can about
treatment, diet, injections, etc., and would like to find
someone to discuss this with - someone who could answer
my questions as I come up with them.

Of course, I can talk with my vet, but sometimes they're
prone to give only some of the answers. I'd like to know
*all* of my options.

Right now Rosie is at the point where the vet is still
"experimenting" to discover the correct insulin dose for
her.

I'm assuming you feed kibble, which is probably why your dog has
diabetes at all. Switch to something low or no carb, preferably a
species appropriate raw diet but please be careful because many times
when you do this the diabetes will go away so you need to watch her
glucose readings very carefully.

Do this first, before doing anything else and it's possible you won't
have to worry about the insulin questions anymore. Your vet, like many
out there, won't associate the diabetes with her diet so don't be
disappointed if he's clueless about how raw feeding relates to diabetes.

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/nutr...P_barfdiet.htm
http://onibasu.com/archives/kn/148378.html


What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.

How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

I have a thousand questions. I hope I can find someone
with answers!!

Thanks in advance,

In article ,
Avid Fan wrote:

Suzie-Q wrote:
My 11-year old dachshund, Rosie, has just been diagnosed
with diabetes. I'm now learning everything I can about
treatment, diet, injections, etc., and would like to find
someone to discuss this with - someone who could answer
my questions as I come up with them.

Of course, I can talk with my vet, but sometimes they're
prone to give only some of the answers. I'd like to know
*all* of my options.

Right now Rosie is at the point where the vet is still
"experimenting" to discover the correct insulin dose for
her.

What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.


I could not find the advice to start new patients on something else. If
you could copy and paste the text here that would help or you could
just say for example

http://www.vetsulin.com/dog-owner/AboutVetsulin.aspx

under FAQ

Ok you wanted to know what the options were.

Metformin a tablet and cheap improves insulin sensitivity. Mechanism of
action to this day unknown.

Sulphonylureas tablet stimulates the production of insulin. (IMHO you
are simply delaying Insulin with these, no effect on the progression of
the disease)

Glitazones and GLP1s I wont get into them too expensive.

Insulin.

Dogs do not tell you when they are feeling dizzy or strange. In humans
Diabetes goes on for a long time with out being picked up.

I'd say that Rosie's blood sugar levels must be very high and your vet
has used the big guns because he/she wants control quickly, which is
fair enough.


How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

Diabetes is linked to food. If you wake up late your dog will eat
late. Vesulin appears to be a long acting insulin, should be OK.

If you inject your dog twice a day, without fail, your dog's treatment
will be miles ahead of many human diabetic patients.


Iirc, it was in a pdf file that I downloaded. I will see if I can find
it and point you to it.

--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to email)
~~~~~~
http://www.wacvet.com/
http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/

In article ,
Suzie-Q wrote:

In article ,
Avid Fan wrote:

Suzie-Q wrote:
My 11-year old dachshund, Rosie, has just been diagnosed
with diabetes. I'm now learning everything I can about
treatment, diet, injections, etc., and would like to find
someone to discuss this with - someone who could answer
my questions as I come up with them.

Of course, I can talk with my vet, but sometimes they're
prone to give only some of the answers. I'd like to know
*all* of my options.

Right now Rosie is at the point where the vet is still
"experimenting" to discover the correct insulin dose for
her.

What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.


I could not find the advice to start new patients on something else. If
you could copy and paste the text here that would help or you could
just say for example

http://www.vetsulin.com/dog-owner/AboutVetsulin.aspx

under FAQ

Ok you wanted to know what the options were.

Metformin a tablet and cheap improves insulin sensitivity. Mechanism of
action to this day unknown.

Sulphonylureas tablet stimulates the production of insulin. (IMHO you
are simply delaying Insulin with these, no effect on the progression of
the disease)

Glitazones and GLP1s I wont get into them too expensive.

Insulin.

Dogs do not tell you when they are feeling dizzy or strange. In humans
Diabetes goes on for a long time with out being picked up.

I'd say that Rosie's blood sugar levels must be very high and your vet
has used the big guns because he/she wants control quickly, which is
fair enough.


How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

Diabetes is linked to food. If you wake up late your dog will eat
late. Vesulin appears to be a long acting insulin, should be OK.

If you inject your dog twice a day, without fail, your dog's treatment
will be miles ahead of many human diabetic patients.


Iirc, it was in a pdf file that I downloaded. I will see if I can find
it and point you to it.

QUOTE from website:

Is VETSULIN being recalled?

No. The product is remaining in distribution, but supplies will soon be
exhausted. Veterinarians should plan on transitioning their diabetic
patients to other insulin products and should not be starting any newly
diagnosed diabetic patients on Vetsulin.

http://www.vetsulin.com/dog-owner/Vet_ProductAlert.aspx

--
8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to email)
~~~~~~
http://www.wacvet.com/
http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/

Suzie-Q wrote:

Is VETSULIN being recalled?

No. The product is remaining in distribution, but supplies will soon be
exhausted. Veterinarians should plan on transitioning their diabetic
patients to other insulin products and should not be starting any newly
diagnosed diabetic patients on Vetsulin.

http://www.vetsulin.com/dog-owner/Vet_ProductAlert.aspx


I don't know what to make of this.

"This could mean that diabetic patients on VETSULIN may experience a
delay in onset of action, a delay in peak activity and an overall
extension of the duration of activity."

It is a long acting insulin so delay in onset is not too serious.

The other thing is that you may need to change to another insulin later
if supply issues get too bad while the company fix the problem.

You have to make the judgement call on this one. If I do not feel
comfortable following the advice of any professional Vet, Doctor,
Mechanic etc.. I ask for clarification and if I am not entirely
comfortable with the reply I try someone else.

"Suzie-Q" wrote

What about Vesulin? Their own website says to start new
diabetes patients on something else, but my vet insisted
on the Vetsulin, even after I mentioned the cautionary
advice from the website.

Vesulin ot Vetsulin? One of the rescue pets we are looking at needs this
twice a day.

How strict must I be with injections? If I give two per
day, say at 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., what happens if I sleep
late and Rosie doesn't get her injection until 10 a.m. or
later? Should she eat at the same time she gets her
injection?

If it works the same for dogs as people, then a stable time is pretty
important. 1 hour is not much of an issue but I wouldnt push it further on
a normal basis.

I did ask the caretakers of the one we are considering, and they said
'inject first then feed right away' but it was more behavior related to the
dog. Seems the pooch wouldnt take the injections calmly until it was tied
to something good right after in her mind (ok, little stick then *FOOD* YES
YES!!!*FOOD*). I was laughing as the email said getting her meds down acted
on her just like a can opener on a cat.