since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

On Feb 18, 11:24*am, "Daniel Coronado"
wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, *is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

Short answer: see your vet.

It might be temporary, some dogs have this reaction when changing
foods. The dog can sometimes be back to normal within a week or so.
It might help to go back to mixing your two foods until the dog is
switched over--BUT I would hesitate to jump to this answer just yet,
because you said she already had loose stools before you switched.

It could be food allergies, some foods unsettle certain dogs stomach
and they never get used to them, the only solution here is to find
another food the dog can stand. While this is possible, it is not as
likely to be the issue, and I still think there is something else you
need to rule out first:

It could also be something like an infection or parasite. This can be
serious, especially if left untreated for very long. The best way to
rule this out is to consult a vet, they can help you figure out if
there is an underlying health issue (especially since she already had
soft stools before you switched). They will likely want to see the
dog, but if you have an established relationship with the practice,
they will sometimes accept a stool sample and have it tested for a
fee.

Has your dog been vaccinated yet for Parvo and other diseases in your
area? Some of these diseases have only a 50% chance of successful
treatment even when you get everything exactly right. So while the
odds of this might not be high, the consequences of not treating a
disease can be severe enough I think you will want to rule it out
before you go much further.

Since you said she already had soft stools, my personal feeling is you
need to see the vet on this one. Rule out a disease or parasite,
treat them if they are there, and then if those are ruled out the vet
can advise you if it is more likely to be just the food change or an
allergic reaction, based on their assesment of the dog, as well as the
best way to deal with them.
--Glenn Lyford

thanks i will see my vet in the afternoon




"Glenn Lyford" escribió en el mensaje
...
On Feb 18, 11:24 am, "Daniel Coronado"
wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

Short answer: see your vet.

It might be temporary, some dogs have this reaction when changing
foods. The dog can sometimes be back to normal within a week or so.
It might help to go back to mixing your two foods until the dog is
switched over--BUT I would hesitate to jump to this answer just yet,
because you said she already had loose stools before you switched.

It could be food allergies, some foods unsettle certain dogs stomach
and they never get used to them, the only solution here is to find
another food the dog can stand. While this is possible, it is not as
likely to be the issue, and I still think there is something else you
need to rule out first:

It could also be something like an infection or parasite. This can be
serious, especially if left untreated for very long. The best way to
rule this out is to consult a vet, they can help you figure out if
there is an underlying health issue (especially since she already had
soft stools before you switched). They will likely want to see the
dog, but if you have an established relationship with the practice,
they will sometimes accept a stool sample and have it tested for a
fee.

Has your dog been vaccinated yet for Parvo and other diseases in your
area? Some of these diseases have only a 50% chance of successful
treatment even when you get everything exactly right. So while the
odds of this might not be high, the consequences of not treating a
disease can be severe enough I think you will want to rule it out
before you go much further.

Since you said she already had soft stools, my personal feeling is you
need to see the vet on this one. Rule out a disease or parasite,
treat them if they are there, and then if those are ruled out the vet
can advise you if it is more likely to be just the food change or an
allergic reaction, based on their assesment of the dog, as well as the
best way to deal with them.
--Glenn Lyford

Daniel Coronado wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

It is smelly and soft because you are feeding grains to a carnivore.
Food allergies happen very often when feeding kibble because there are
many ingredients in it that aren't species appropriate for dogs. Other
causes could be worms but most likely, with the timing the same as the
switch, it is the new food doing it. Kibble fed dogs suffer stomach
upset much easier than dogs fed a real meat, bones and organ meat diet
and aren't as healthy.

Do your puppy a huge favor and learn about feeding raw. Once you try it
you will never go back to kibble. Please check out these links that back
up what I'm telling you.

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/

Char

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:03:55 -0500, Char
wrote:

Daniel Coronado wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

It is smelly and soft because you are feeding grains to a carnivore.
Food allergies happen very often when feeding kibble because there are
many ingredients in it that aren't species appropriate for dogs. Other
causes could be worms but most likely, with the timing the same as the
switch, it is the new food doing it. Kibble fed dogs suffer stomach
upset much easier than dogs fed a real meat, bones and organ meat diet
and aren't as healthy.

Please post PROOF that:

1) feeding dogs grains results in soft stool;

2) raw-fed dogs produce stool that is odorless and never soft;

3) dogs fed kibble experience stomach upset more easily than raw-fed
dogs; and

4) dogs fed kibble "aren't as healthy". Please also define "aren't as
healthy" when you post your proof.

Please note the definition of "proof": anything that establishes the
truth of something; conclusive evidence.

Dogs aren't carnivores. They're omnivores. If you had a dog, you
would know that.

Thanks Char i will see that links

just for info the diarrea was gone, i don feed my puppy for 12 hours and
then feed with the aeukanuba for little portions, today i feed it with the
regular portion and the poo is hard jeje

im interested in that info Char, rawfed

"Char" escribió en el mensaje
...
Daniel Coronado wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

It is smelly and soft because you are feeding grains to a carnivore. Food
allergies happen very often when feeding kibble because there are many
ingredients in it that aren't species appropriate for dogs. Other causes
could be worms but most likely, with the timing the same as the switch, it
is the new food doing it. Kibble fed dogs suffer stomach upset much easier
than dogs fed a real meat, bones and organ meat diet and aren't as
healthy.

Do your puppy a huge favor and learn about feeding raw. Once you try it
you will never go back to kibble. Please check out these links that back
up what I'm telling you.

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/

Char

i saw the links..


i dont imagine my puppy inside a cow eating it

i will just give it a little bone

"Char" escribió en el mensaje
...
Daniel Coronado wrote:
since i get my puppy it eats Pedigree... but her "poo" is to smelly and
soft, i decide to buy eukanuba...but i make a mistake i dont make a
combination of the old food with the new one (80% pedifree 20% aukanuba,
60% pedi. 40% euk..) and i give him the eukanuba but now my puppy have
diarrea, is this temporal, what can i do to stop the diarrea?

thanks

It is smelly and soft because you are feeding grains to a carnivore. Food
allergies happen very often when feeding kibble because there are many
ingredients in it that aren't species appropriate for dogs. Other causes
could be worms but most likely, with the timing the same as the switch, it
is the new food doing it. Kibble fed dogs suffer stomach upset much easier
than dogs fed a real meat, bones and organ meat diet and aren't as
healthy.

Do your puppy a huge favor and learn about feeding raw. Once you try it
you will never go back to kibble. Please check out these links that back
up what I'm telling you.

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/

Char

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Dogs aren't carnivores. They're omnivores. If you had a dog, you
would know that.

That is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. Dogs have a
carnivorous mouth, carnivorous teeth and the total digestive system of a
carnivore.

We are omnivores. We have teeth that grind vegetable matter, not ones
that rip meat. We have a longer digestive system to break down what we
eat and our digestive juices are not as strong as that of dogs.

Boy, I feel like I'm back in school! These basics of anatomy were taught
in grade school for crying out loud.

The dog (Canis lupus familiaris,[2] pronounced /ˈkeɪ.nɪs ˈlu�pəs
fʌˈmɪliɛərɪs/) i

s a domesticated form of the wolf, a member of the Canidae family of the
order

Carnivora.

Do you understand what the order Carnivora contains? Carnivores! Very good!

Char wrote:
Do you understand what the order Carnivora contains? Carnivores! Very
good!

From Wikipedia (which I don't usually cite, but can't be bothered to spend
the time looking up a more suitable citation) :

"The first carnivoran was a carnivore, and nearly all carnivorans today
primarily eat meat. Some, such as cats, pinnipeds, and weasels, are
obligate carnivores. Others, such as racoons and bears, depending on the
local habitat, are more omnivorous; the Giant Panda is almost exclusively a
herbivore but will take fish, eggs and insects, while the Polar Bear's
harsh habitat forces it to mainly subsist on prey. Carnivorans have teeth,
claws, and binocular vision adapted for catching and eating other animals.
Many hunt in packs and are social animals, giving them an advantage over
larger prey."

I'm not really sure why you consider an arbitrary, if very old,
classification to be definitive of anything.

--
Mary H. and the restored Ames National Zoo:
The Right Reverand Sir Edgar "Lucky" Pan-Waffles;
U-CD ANZ Babylon Ranger, CD, RE; ANZ Pas de Duke, RN;
Caris and rotund Rhia

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Dogs aren't carnivores. They're omnivores. If you had a dog, you
would know that.

Even if they were omnivores, which they aren't, grains aren't good for
omnivores either.

You want to sit back and make everyone else do your research for you
when it's your job to educate yourself on what is healthy to eat. Google
is your friend! Get off your ass!

Why are grains and legumes so unhealthy ?


The original question:

So far I have been reading and learning. I
have a question that stems from talking with a nutritionist and Drs. The
following quote kinda sums up my question I guess.
"We have had several people starting problems
arguing about how soy and grains (or other illegals, such as sucralose)" are
good foods;
Why are the soy and grains not good? What makes them bad? In other diets
such as that are gluten free, some grains are allowed. Why are they not
allowed in SCD? And does leaving all grains out put you at a risk of not
getting enough carbs and will it lower your energy level?



The answer:

A good question..

It's good to point out that grains and soy aren't edible in nature
without processing and so it's safe to assume we haven't eaten them for
millions of years. Only since the advent of agriculture we started to
rely on grains for our food supply. That was a huge mistake. There are
several reasons why grains and soy are bad:

Grains are in fact a large supply of starch, surrounded by a kernel.
Starch decomposes (digests) into maltose and isomaltose in the
intestines, which then decompose into glucose. You can look at it this
way. When you take a slice of bread and crush it in your hand, you are
virtually eating that amount of refined sugar. The problem is that that
amount of sugar elevates the bloodsugar levels amazingly fast and
causes your pancreas to produce lots and lots of insulin to metabolise
it. Humans are not adapted to eat such amounts of concentrated
carbohydrates and the pancreas (and adrenals) aren't fit to the job.
Over time one will develop insulin resistance, hypoglycemia, diabetes
II. Another problem is that the immune system crashes when your
bloodsugar levels increases to high levels. It takes *hours* for the
the immune system to recover fully.

Another problem with refined grains is that it's void of minerals and
vitamins, which are needed to properly digest and metabolise the huge
amount of starch. So, each time you eat a slice of bread, your body
needs to take minerals and vitamins from its limited stores to digest
and metabolise it. Over time, you will develop deficincies of these
vitamines and minerals.

You could eat the grains unrefined, but then a lot of antinutrients
will remain. Antinutrients are substances that bind to essential
vitamins and minerals, making them worthless or impossible to absorb
from the digestive tract.

So, either way, refined or unrefined, grains will cause problems..

Further, many grains contain a lot of allergens which upset your immune
system and causes the development of allergies. Imagine this: Humans
have never in their evolution of millions of years eaten grains and
now, since only 4.000-10.000 years ago, we are relying on this food.
Our genes aren't adapted to these foods. Grains are in fact
incompatible with humans (and also dogs and cats and many mammals)...

Soy beans aren't edible raw and they are full of antinutrients and
substances that act like hormones in the human body. Eating soy can
cause women to have menstruations that last 2 days longer than normal
and are way more painfull.

Another problems with grains and soy bean it that they can't be eaten
raw, which only allows us to eat them cooked. Cooking essentially
damages all foods. The more you eat raw, the better you will feel..

I forgot perhaps the most important reason why grains are bad: They are
very hard to digest properly. As I said above, they need to be digested
in two phases.. First, the starches, which are very long chains of
carbohydrate molecules, must be seperated into small pieces consisting
of 2 glucose molecules. This is called maltose (or isomaltose). Next,
the intestines need to produce enough enzymes (maltase) to digest the
maltose into the elemental glucose molecules. As you see, quite a lot
of work.. The problem is that the human body isn't fit for this job and
a part of the starch isn't absorbed and descends into the large
intestines, feeding critters, causing inflammation, gasses, damage to
the wall of the intestines, and other problems.

Compare this to fruit and honey, which are predigested foods. They
primarily contain glucose and fructose, which don't need to be digested
at all and can be absorbed painlessly by the intestines. Because
everything is easily absorbed it can't feed the critters..

I bet there are even a dozen more reasons why grains and soy are bad
but I think these are the most important..

As for the problem of not getting enough carbs: No such problem exists.
Carbohydrates are optional. You can survive and feel perfectly healthy
on a zero-carbohydrate diet.. Look at the Eskimo's who virtually eat
zero carbohydrates and look at the thousands of people eating according
to a low-carbohydrate diet.. They are a *lot* healthier than people
eating their grains each day..


Grains, breads, flour products and pasta can actually damage your
digestive system and feed pathogenic bacteria and yeast.

Flour products are mucus-forming and are basically "glue-like" in your
intestines. Since most of the beneficial fiber has been removed from
flour products like cookies, donuts, pasta and today's modern bread,
they move slowly through your digestive system. With their sticky,
glue-like consistency, they literally "gum up" your intestines.

These foods are also very dehydrating. Besides causing constipation,
they help you create a toxic environment that is attractive to
pathogenic microorganisms like yeast. Please note, I said, "help you
create," because it is you doing the choosing and the eating.

While sugar and flour are the most damaging to your colon, even the
unrefined "whole" grains that we've been told are "healthy" can wreak
havoc on your health.

Whole grains like wheat, barley, rye, oatmeal, spelt and rice are
acid-forming. They have a lot of sugar in them. Pathogens (yeast,
viruses and parasites) find them to be very sweet foods and thrive on
them. The Body Ecology Diet is an antifungal diet, so these grains are
strictly avoided if you have a yeast or fungal infection (and it is
believed that eight out of ten Americans do have a fungal infection.)

But there's another problem with most grains. Wheat, barley, rye, oats
and spelt all contain gluten. (Rice is gluten free.). Today 1 out of
every 133 Americans has a negative reaction to these gluten grains and
are said to be "gluten intolerant." Even worse is a condition called
celiac sprue.