"Char" wrote
cshenk wrote:

Which is where?

In this day of identity theft, that's not needed to post.

That's one of the most stupid thing I've seen posted here in awhile.
Giving a general area, a nearby city, a state, a country does not give
anyone anything they could use for identity theft.

I prefer to be careful in an unknown group.

the Tampa Florida area. We have fleas year
round.

Grin, it's too hot there for the real problems. It's also dryer than
here so they die off in your yard naturally.

It is not dry here. We have daily showers for over half the year.
Because of the location the fleas don't die off in winter like most
places.

I used to live there.

Yup, but the infestation is lower. Ours isnt year round but higher at
peaks you do not have.

Vague again. Why all the mystery? I'm starting to think you don't have a
dog.

Winter time we get a break. Too cold for them unless you have an
infestation inside (which we do not).

a high flea zone. You actually do not. The site i checked shows you
17th
in the nation. I'm number 2.

What site is that?

Vet flyer or use Google.

So in other words you made it up.

I'm not going to bother to hunt it up again. It's not something i page
marked but something found years ago.

Heartworm meds are dangerous too and I don't give them to my dogs yet
they are all heartworm free. This is the difference feeding raw makes.
The dogs are just a bit healthier and anyway the heartworm problem is
overplayed. Again, I live in Tampa where mosquitoes are out nearly
year round.

Here we part company a bit. My rescue dog has heart issues and will for
all his life

What kind?

Ones caused by heartworms. We adopted him knowing he will at best see
age 7 and most likely die before he sees age 5.

What kind? Can you answer anything straight out? Oh yeah, you don't have a
dog so you have to be vague.

You asked what kind. I answered he has heart problems caused by heartworms
per the vet. It was known when we adopted him from the rescue society that
he had heart damage. He may not have many years, but we will make the best
of them with him.

I have an ebook about heartworm you should read. It is about 60 pages
so I can't copy it here but I can send it to you. I think once you
read it you will have a new view on heartworms.

Thank you but no. Any ebook from a person who after being told the dog
is heart damaged and on vet medicines, who wants me apparently to stop
using them to use some sudo-holistic feeding plan and all that, aint my
cuppa-tea for caring for my pets that have known issues.

You've never said what exactly your dog suffers from so being upset about
what I write is certainly stupid. And this is the first time you've
mentioned medicines. Heartworm preventative isn't a preventative and isn't
a medicine. It is a pesticide.

Cash is on heartworm preventive medicine. I do not know exactly what meds
they used to treat the active infection before I got him. He's also on flea
drops once a month and has a special ear wash (it's not really much more
than some home remedy stuff with a small amount of something that helps
prevent yeast infections in dogs ears).

I'm not taking him off any of the 3 which his vet prescribes. He has a
heart murmer, an occasional irregular beat, and a slightly enlarged heart.
He also has arthritis in his spine and hips but just needs doggie
accomodations, not medication for that as of now. He used to be on a dog
version of glucosamine to help his joints but vet said his feeding now
covers it so he was taken off it.

And there are things you can do for dogs with heart problems. I just went
through that a year and a half ago with a dog named Buddy. Too many
vaccinations caused the problem to begin with. I started feeding him lots
of beef heart, CoQ10 and some diuretic herbals and he lasted a year and a
half, way longer than the vet predicted. The vet was totally shocked when
I turned up at his office a year after diagnosis with a live dog, needing
a refill on prescriptions.

Thats good news for you!

I like the organics when possible. This isnt one of those situations.
You don't seriously think I havent read up on them do you? I did that
before i adopted a known medically challanged rescue dog with them.

But you didn't follow through and use them. And you never understood why
pesticides are dangerous.

No, I *disagreed* with them and agreed with my vet. Huge difference.

He stays on the vet mandated meds and all pets here will have
preventives because he is more prone to a reinfection and that protects
us all.

Nevermind, the more you post the more you look like a troll.

Then ignore me.

On 3/5/2010 11:43 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Ah, yes, here's Char (the person who tells other people not to post
here if they can't be nice) showing her true colors.

I'm going to do this just once since you really seem to be unable to
tell the difference between what I did and what you did. This is so
elementary that I shouldn't have to but apparently you do need an education.

You were nasty to someone who had posted just once and had not
demonstrated in any way that they were a troll.

I gave this guy many chances to converse in an adult manner and it
resulted in being a huge waste of my time because he's a troll. No facts
given, arguing just to argue when there was no basis for it, being
intentionally vague and lacking in credibility, and on and on.

Anyone that calls heartworm "preventatives" medicine is naive at best
and unfortunately is harming his pets. They aren't even really
preventatives since the animal has to become infected first for the
"medicine" to work. Calling a pesticide medicine does not make it safer,
it's just a delusion.

To troll boy from Virginia Beach.
Advantix has two pesticides in it. The first is Permethrin. It is very
toxic to cats and some die simply from being around a dog that it was
used on. However, dogs are not immune to the toxicity and it can cause
seizures.

The most common signs are tremors, drooling, lack of appetite, vomiting,
diarrhea, incoordination, hyperactivity, disorientation, vocalization,
depression, difficulty breathing, and seizures. Death is possible.
Additionally in cats, may see ear flicking, paw shaking, or
contractions/twitching of the skin.
http://www.peteducation.com/article....+1418&aid=2252

Notice that I provide links that back up what I'm posting. This means
I'm posting facts and not opinions. You really need to learn the difference.

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...Rec_Id=PC35397

The other ingredient in Advantix is Imidacloprid. Symptoms of
Imidacloprid Exposure

- Skin and eye irritation.
- Fatigue, twitching, cramps, and muscle weakness including the muscles
necessary for breathing.

Yes, that's right, it causes the muscles used for breathing to become
weak. Dogs that can't breath die. Imagine that!
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...Rec_Id=PC35730

I'm posting this information for those who read here, so they know
better than to use Advantix. People need to stop using pesticides on
their pets! Don't wonder why the cancer rates for house pets is so high
when you allow your uninformed vet to sell you pesticides to use on your
pets and around your family.

"Char" wrote
sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Ah, yes, here's Char (the person who tells other people not to post
here if they can't be nice) showing her true colors.

I'm going to do this just once since you really seem to be unable to tell
the difference between what I did and what you did. This is so elementary
that I shouldn't have to but apparently you do need an education.

Char, I dont need your documentary on how you view yourself. I read the
last 2 months messages after a spot check on the livelier group earler.

My impression. You killed this group. No message can be posted nor could
be for ages without you rebutting it with 'raw food' rants. Most folks just
point blank *left*.

You were nasty to someone who had posted just once and had not
demonstrated in any way that they were a troll.

I gave this guy many chances to converse in an adult manner and it
resulted in being a huge waste of my time because he's a troll. No facts
given, arguing just to argue when there was no basis for it, being
intentionally vague and lacking in credibility, and on and on.

I am not a he and I was not nasty. I disagree with you which is different.

Anyone that calls heartworm "preventatives" medicine is naive at best and
unfortunately is harming his pets. They aren't even really preventatives
since the animal has to become infected first for the "medicine" to work.
Calling a pesticide medicine does not make it safer, it's just a delusion.

Vets disgree. You are asking me to take my pets off the vets and you are
who?

To troll boy from Virginia Beach.

Cool, now I'm troll boy'

Advantix has two pesticides in it. The first is Permethrin. It is very
toxic to cats and some die simply from being around a dog that it was used
on. However, dogs are not immune to the toxicity and it can cause
seizures.

Oh please, thats why you use vet versions not OTC stuff. Even the OTC is
fairly safe but not what i use.

Notice that I provide links that back up what I'm posting. This means I'm
posting facts and not opinions. You really need to learn the difference.

No, you are picking whacked out sites that support your predisposed desires.

I bet if we hunt sites that are whacked, we can find ones 'proving' most USA
presidents were gay too. Doesnt make it so but if you present only those
(as they fit your agenda) then it might look like it.

On Mar 9, 10:33*pm, "cshenk" wrote:
"Char" wrote

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Ah, yes, here's Char (the person who tells other people not to post
here if they can't be nice) showing her true colors.

I'm going to do this just once since you really seem to be unable to tell
the difference between what I did and what you did. This is so elementary
that I shouldn't have to but apparently you do need an education.

Char, I dont need your documentary on how you view yourself. *I read the
last 2 months messages after a spot check on the livelier group earler.

My impression. *You killed this group. *No message can be posted nor could
be for ages without you rebutting it with 'raw food' rants. Most folks just
point blank *left*.

You were nasty to someone who had posted just once and had not
demonstrated in any way that they were a troll.

I gave this guy many chances to converse in an adult manner and it
resulted in being a huge waste of my time because he's a troll. No facts
given, arguing just to argue when there was no basis for it, being
intentionally vague and lacking in credibility, and on and on.

I am not a he and I was not nasty. *I disagree with you which is different.

Anyone that calls heartworm "preventatives" medicine is naive at best and
unfortunately is harming his pets. They aren't even really preventatives
since the animal has to become infected first for the "medicine" to work.
Calling a pesticide medicine does not make it safer, it's just a delusion.

Vets disgree. *You are asking me to take my pets off the vets and you are
who?

To troll boy from Virginia Beach.

Cool, now I'm troll boy'

Advantix has two pesticides in it. The first is Permethrin. It is very
toxic to cats and some die simply from being around a dog that it was used
on. However, dogs are not immune to the toxicity and it can cause
seizures.

Oh please, thats why you use vet versions not OTC stuff. Even the OTC is
fairly safe but not what i use.

Notice that I provide links that back up what I'm posting. This means I'm
posting facts and not opinions. You really need to learn the difference..

No, you are picking whacked out sites that support your predisposed desires.

I bet if we hunt sites that are whacked, we can find ones 'proving' most USA
presidents were gay too. *Doesnt make it so but if you present only those
(as they fit your agenda) then it might look like it.

I bet if we looked up Idiot on the internet we would find a picture
of you.
So you are a filthy slob with fleas all over the place, and now want
to poison your dog? If you were somewhat clean you would not have any
problems with fleas.
Judging by your stupid posts you also subscribe to Fox news and
believe in "Creationism".
Prolly think that health care re form is a terrible thing cus your
pharmassist and vet ductor told ya so.

Bravo Idiot!

"Blacklab" wrote
chenk" wrote:
"Char" wrote

I bet if we looked up Idiot on the internet we would find a picture
of you.

Good lord, how creative. I'll be looking forward to your darwin award.

So you are a filthy slob with fleas all over the place, and now want
to poison your dog? If you were somewhat clean you would not have any
problems with fleas.

Unable to read either? Thats not here. Havent seen a flea here in 3 years.

Judging by your stupid posts you also subscribe to Fox news and
believe in "Creationism".

Thats probably Char too but not me.

Prolly think that health care re form is a terrible thing cus your
pharmassist and vet ductor told ya so.

Health care basics should be paid for by folks like me who make enough to
assist those who dont. I may be disabled, but I pull down enough to not use
any assistance (other than VA earned due to military service connected
issues).