I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks


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On Mar 10, 12:13*pm, "pacca" wrote:
I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

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By laying paper inside you are training him to go inside.

Take him outside wait for as long as it take for him to go and then
praise him profusely. Within a few days he will be house trained.
It is one of the easiest things to do ( house training), dogs do not
want to pee or poop inside the house they live in.

I would refrain from listening to too many of the so called
professional trainers on this newsgroup with your new dog. The only
person who has an approach coming close to proper training is Jerry
Howe. You can find his training manual on the web, if memory serves
me correctly it is called "Wits End training method'?
Most importantly socialize your puppy as much as you can.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:13:50 -0600, "pacca" wrote:

I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

Train him to go outside rather than on papers inside. Some people
start their dogs on papers inside and then move the papers outside - I
don't know if you did that, but if you just took the papers away, the
pup has no way of knowing that he's supposed to go outside. Now, he's
confused, and thinks he's supposed to go inside. Choose a cue
(command) such as "go potty", or whatever you'd like to say, and use
that when you take him outside. Don't take him back inside until he
goes potty. When he does, tell him "good potty" (or whatever cue you
chose) and give him a treat. Supervise him constantly indoors, and
crate him when you can't, so that he doesn't have the opportunity to
have an accident.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:35:29 -0800 (PST), Blacklab
wrote:

On Mar 10, 12:13*pm, "pacca" wrote:
I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

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By laying paper inside you are training him to go inside.

Take him outside wait for as long as it take for him to go and then
praise him profusely. Within a few days he will be house trained.
It is one of the easiest things to do ( house training), dogs do not
want to pee or poop inside the house they live in.

I would refrain from listening to too many of the so called
professional trainers on this newsgroup with your new dog. The only
person who has an approach coming close to proper training is Jerry
Howe. You can find his training manual on the web, if memory serves
me correctly it is called "Wits End training method'?
Most importantly socialize your puppy as much as you can.

There aren't any so-called professional trainers left here; they've
all been run off by the trolls and nut jobs. Jerry Howe is a nut job.

I suspect that any one competant who has tried to read on of Jerry's
longer messges with its all CAPS shouting, ranting diatribes, and
clumsy self promotion would recognize his true worth.

--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

pacca wrote:

I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks


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First patience. The smaller the dog the harder to house break. While
Westies aren't toy dogs they are on the small side. Twelve weeks is
young.

Seccond, as with many other owners you have discovered that the quick
fix for a problem has made things worse. Avoid doing that in other
areas. Get one or two good dog books.. I liked Dogs for Dummies, but
there are many other good books out there.

Third. Go out frequently, about once an hour if you can. Bring treats.
Wait up to ten minutes. If he does something in ten minutes praise him
immediately and give him a treat. If he does nothing go back in. You may
want to keep a leash attached from him to your belt so he is always in
sight. If it looks like he is going to do something pick him up and take
him outside. If he does something praise and treat.

--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

"pacca" wrote

I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

Pacca, my husband (more dog savvy than me) agrees with 'Blacklab' (except we
have no idea who Jerry Howe is). He's housebroken many a puppy.

His bits for you (he doesnt do computers so I am relaying what he says)

- It's easier if there is another dog in the house who is housebroken.
Sniffing outside, then shows them the older dog goes there. They pick up on
this and try it and you just praise them silly and they get the hint pretty
fast.

- Puppies of that age can and will have 'accidents' even after training
(yours isnt yet so this is for later). Don't freak too hard about it, just
act disgusted and carry it out and put it in the yard (paper towels for pee
incidents, paper towels with poop for the other). Dont throw them in the
trash, throw them literally in the yard (you can clean the yard up later).

- One of the tricks he's used when getting a dog who was already 'paper
trained' (he never uses that but he's gotten ones that have been and had to
reteach them the yard is the right spot), was to move the paper just outside
the door, then to the yard proper after they are used to it being just
outside the door (back door I hope just for looks!) He said he'd weigh it
down with some rocks and just leave it there and the dog would start using
the grass near it at first (it would be all icky after a day or so). Later
they'd shift to the yard proper. He said he's had success in less than 3
days with that method most of the time and sometimes, the dog picked up
right away to 'follow the paper'.

Oh, my own addition. If a dog smells pee or poop in the house (doggie sort)
they will 'assume' that is an 'ok spot' or something? To properly re-train,
you have to clean where they went really well. If it's a carpeted spot,
you'll want one of those 'little green machines' and use it right away to
clean it as well as you can.

A bit more of my own (Don's gone out to play pool leage so cant ask him more
tonight, sorry).

Cash (our dog, K9 rescue) was well past puppy 4 month but had housebreaking
issues. He had once been fully trained as best as we could tell but had
been an outdoor hunting dog apparently for a period of time and lost some of
it. Don explained to me that an older dog (Cash is guessed to have been
about 1 year old) need only know he gets a pee break every 3-4 hours and we
watch him to see if he seems to need one earlier. He mentioned a puppy has
IBBS (itty bitty bladder syndrome) and needs at the start to be taken out
much more often. The guys here can recommend the frequency as I dont really
know. Once Cash learned (remembered from puppyhood of earlier family too I
bet) we'd take him out every 3-4 hours and any time he whined at the back
door, incidents stopped. Meantime, we didnt yell at him if he made a
mistake, we just cleaned it up and tossed the paper towels in the back yard
(then used the green machine inside). The paper towels tossed out there
reinforced 'pee and poop in the yard'.

Ok, for the rest of the gallery, I do ok here?

On Mar 10, 9:13*am, "pacca" wrote:
I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

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He is too young. Give him a another month.

On 3/10/2010 2:35 PM, Blacklab wrote:
On Mar 10, 12:13 pm, wrote:
I have a 12 week old west highland terrier , and I cant seem to house break
him , he is paper trained , for two weeks I took the paper away and goes by
the back door and sniffs around like he has to go out , take out for 20 min
, comes back in and immediately poop or pee , the paper was by the back
door, I cant seem to train him, I am going out of my mind. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

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By laying paper inside you are training him to go inside.

Take him outside wait for as long as it take for him to go and then
praise him profusely. Within a few days he will be house trained.
It is one of the easiest things to do ( house training), dogs do not
want to pee or poop inside the house they live in.

Remember now, this is a 12 week old puppy. It takes a few months till
his body can hold it for any length of time. Other than that, it's good
advice. Putting paper outside the door might help too since that is his
trigger at this point.


I would refrain from listening to too many of the so called
professional trainers on this newsgroup with your new dog. The only
person who has an approach coming close to proper training is Jerry
Howe.

I agree! He hasn't been around as much since the trolls stopped
controlling the dog groups.

You can find his training manual on the web, if memory serves
me correctly it is called "Wits End training method'?

http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyama...sendmanual.htm

Most importantly socialize your puppy as much as you can.

Again I agree!
Char

Twelve weeks is awfully young, still...as has been mentioned. Sounds
like it's a good thing I failed at "paper training". Never could get
any of my four dogs to co-operate. Guess it's a good thing! Putting
the paper outside as suggested (since the damage is already done) sounds
like good advice. One thing we did for our last puppy was to hang a
little "cow bell" by the back door, down low where the pup could reach
it. Then, every time we took him out we'd ring the bell (trying to use
the puppy's snout or paw to do it). After awhile he got the
message...and now he rings the bell when he wants out. (Of course one
should reinforce any training with lots of praise and a treat when the
dog does what is wanted, until the lesson is completely learned.) He
was probably around 5 months before he was completely reliable about his
housetraining. Ralphie had anxiety issues from being weaned too early,
and would get overexcited. Wouldn't always realize when he had to "go".
And yes...for awhile we were getting pretty frantic, so I understand.
Hang in there...there is light at the end of the tunnel! Once we
figured out our pup was distracted due to his anxiety, we started giving
him 3mg of melatonin once a day at the advice of our vet...and the
problem cleared up _very_ quickly! (Of course, now he's older he
doesn't require it anymore.) Not saying your Westie needs such...just
throwing out a thought about our experience.

Emma