"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:40:19 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
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On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone.

&^*&$%&%#$! You don't deserve a dog.
--
Dogman


Don't bother, Dogman. As Melinda used to point out, Paul posts these
outrageous tales of horrific neglect and then masturbates to our righteous
indignation when we respond to such negligence. I, too, have to fight with
myself not to scream at him about how badly he treats Muttley, and shows so
little care for him, but I managed this time, somehow.

Phyrie

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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
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On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone. He had gone across the road, and I
even went there tp try to get him, but he wasn't ready so he rolled
around on the ice and then trotted off. An hour later I went out again,
and this time he came to me and was finally happy to go back in.

Paul and Muttley


I would have been absolutely frantic. Remy got loose once shortly after
we got him as a pup and was missing for about 30 minutes. What made me
crazy was we live near some very busy streets. My son drove around in his
car looking and I was on foot. It was after dark and I kept calling his
name and asking everyone I saw if they had seen a dog that met his
description. Finally my son drove up and I saw Remy in the back seat,
looking like a happy pup without a care in the world. I was so relieved!
I live in an urban area, and bad things sometimes happen to dogs who get
loose. Needless to say, recall went to the top of the list for necessary
training.

Normal people do care if their beloved pets go missing. Paul is not normal,
by any stretch of the imagination, and delights in putting Muttley in
increasingly dangerous situations, and then posts his amazement that he
hasn't killed his dog yet. If Muttley had any smarts at all, the next time
he makes a break for it, he will keep going. Paul hasn't killed him yet,
but he keeps trying.

Phyrie

"Phyrie" wrote in message
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Normal people do care if their beloved pets go missing. Paul is not
normal, by any stretch of the imagination, and delights in putting Muttley
in increasingly dangerous situations, and then posts his amazement that
he hasn't killed his dog yet. If Muttley had any smarts at all, the next
time he makes a break for it, he will keep going. Paul hasn't killed him
yet, but he keeps trying.

Looks like we have a new contestant in our drama queen contest. And look
who's flaming this thread! I just report what has happened - just the facts,
ma'am - and you spin it like a DJ on speed! Of course I care about him, but
it would not have done much good to get all hyped up about it or drive up
and down the road yelling for him, when I knew he would return once his
wanderlust was satisfied.

At least I had something interesting to report. It gets boring here
sometimes. Anyone care to add something constructive?

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

On 4/26/2010 10:09 PM, Phyrie wrote:


"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:40:19 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone.

&^*&$%&%#$! You don't deserve a dog.
--
Dogman


Don't bother, Dogman. As Melinda used to point out, Paul posts these
outrageous tales of horrific neglect and then masturbates to our
righteous indignation when we respond to such negligence. I, too, have
to fight with myself not to scream at him about how badly he treats
Muttley, and shows so little care for him, but I managed this time,
somehow.

Phyrie

Phyrie you are a sick little bitch! Jerry has posted how all of you
abuse your pets so I guess you feel the need to push it all one someone
else like Paul.

What you and Dogman post, that kind of thing is why the dog groups are
in such sad condition.

On 27/04/2010 3:05 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:58:05 GMT, Avid wrote:


I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.

Metallophobia?

Come on do they really work? If you use them properly OK.
The effect of pulling back on a soft collar seems to have pretty
much the same effect.

Most people don't know if you put on check chains wrong way round they
don't release properly. That is only if your dog stays on your left.

I remember my mother walking an uncontrollable Irish Setter to pick us
up from school. The dog pulled all the way. Check chain made no
difference

On 27/04/2010 3:02 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:40:19 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone.

&^*&$%&%#$! You don't deserve a dog.

What the hell. Paul tried to get him. I can't out run my dog - can you?

On 27/04/2010 12:34 PM, Phyrie wrote:


Normal people do care if their beloved pets go missing. Paul is not
normal, by any stretch of the imagination, and delights in putting
Muttley in increasingly dangerous situations, and then posts his
amazement that he hasn't killed his dog yet. If Muttley had any smarts
at all, the next time he makes a break for it, he will keep going. Paul
hasn't killed him yet, but he keeps trying.


Muttley is a well cared for dog IMO.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:41:25 -0400, Dogman wrote:


What the hell. Paul tried to get him. I can't out run my dog - can you?

I've never had the need to do so, because all of my dogs have been
TRAINED to recall. Plus, I don't leave my dogs out on unsafe and
improper jury-rigged lines that they can easily escape from, like
Muttley has already done a number of times already. Unlike cats, dogs
don't have nine lives.

Cats actually don't either. Ask Paul what happened to his cat.

On 28/04/2010 1:41 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:15:50 GMT, Avid wrote:

On 27/04/2010 3:05 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:58:05 GMT, Avid wrote:


I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.

Metallophobia?

Come on do they really work?

That's a joke, right? Of course they work! The problem is you, not
the collar. If they didn't work, why do you think your German Shepherd
Club required you to have one? Just to pump money into the club's
treasury?

They did not sell them.

Sure I trained for a year with a check chain.

I think I could have accomplished what I want with out it.

If you use a soft collar and your dog pulls simply turn around and go
back. If they pull again turn back in the other direction - it works.


If you use them properly OK.

That applies to all dog collars!

The choke collar is a TRAINING collar. It's a tool that's used in the
TRAINING of a dog.

So why didn't you use it to TRAIN your dog?

Train my dog to do what exactly? When I take her for a walk sure I
don't want her to pull but I don't need her to walk next to me military
style. I am taking her for a walk for her enjoyment.

If she wants to stop and smell something I let her.

Does she always have to be on the left of me?


No one at your German Sheperd Club was a trainer???

Most people don't know if you put on check chains wrong way round they
don't release properly. That is only if your dog stays on your left.

Sheesh. There must be 10,000 trainers/training schools out there that
can teach people how to properly TRAIN their dog with the use of a
choke collar, and you apparently can't find even one?

Don't be such a smart arse I know how to use a check chain.
For what I want to do I do not need one.



I remember my mother walking an uncontrollable Irish Setter to pick us
up from school. The dog pulled all the way. Check chain made no
difference

That's because it's a TRAINING collar! Without the TRAINING that
should accompany it, it's nothing more than some links of steel chain.

The reason that people like Paul Schoen, and apparently you, too, are
always looking for that magic collar (Schoen must be on his 10th kind
of collar in just three years, and not one of them has worked!) that
will suddenly make all of their problems disappear is that you refuse
to listen to people who are trying to help you.

If Mutley pulls a Halti with a back up soft collar WILL make all his
problems disappear.


Why?

Without the proper TRAINING to accompany it, no collar "works."

And until you understand this, your dog will remain UNTRAINED.

Trained to do what exactly?

Avid Fan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

What the hell. Paul tried to get him. I can't out run my
dog - can you?

Fido. Come.

--
--Matt.