Avid Fan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I don't think prong collars are cruel, either, and neither
did my huskies. Yet some people insist they are.

I don't know they are banned here. Do they work better
than check chains? It looks like prong collars are
designed to cause pain - true /not true?

True that they are the evilest looking collars around. A
torture device from the Middle Ages. By far my most favourite
training collar when fit correctly; and when fit correctly, it's
hard to abuse unless the handler goes to extremes.
--
--Matt.

"Alison" wrote in message
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"Phyrie" wrote in message
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message

This from the person who advised a poster to contact an animal
communicator so she could find out for sure what was going through
their minds.

*snicker* You saw that too, huh? Some people will pay for the stupidest
things...

Phyrie

I guess it depends everyone definition of animal communicator. I don't
know much about the subject myself but the subject came up recently on
one of my forums.
David French is an animal communicator and well known and respected in
the UK.
Here's a bit more about it on his website
http://www.reikicare.co.uk/html/talk.htm
Alison

I am somewhat skeptical but I keep an open mind. I know of a woman who is an
animal communicator and a regular at the nearby horse rescue farm whose
owners are friends. www.horserescue.com. I'll call them and see if I can
contact her and maybe have her communicate with Muttley. I'll post any
further details in a separate post.

This thread has gone totally off-topic. All I wanted was some discussion
about the benefits and deficiencies of various collars and harnesses. I've
ordered a Halti and an EZ-Walk and I'll also report any results.

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:41:25 GMT, "Thomas.Malone"
wrote:

I've never seen the Bolshoi Ballet, but millions of others have.
I have seen to Bolshoi Ballet. Swan Lake and Gisele

Actually, you sound like someone who may have actually been in the
Bolshoi Ballet.

Culture is spelt with a C not a K

One of those dogs owned by a trainer did go to an off leash park but it
did not go as expected. Recall was not 100%

Have you ever even seen a well-trained dog?


Well-trained dog? Yes

Robot like you describe - No



In painstaking detail.

I want to hear it from you. The outline or do I have to buy your
****ing book!

No, you just have to retain the services of a good trainer, in person,
and see for yourself. It ain't exactly rocket science.

Heck, you can probably learn how to do it by watching just about any
of the TV training shows, because it's a popular "problem" that many
novices need to solve, e.g., to safeguard the life of the dog.
Yeah Yeah Everyone knows the answer - but you don't

Put up or shut up!


Put up or shut up!

Rocky wrote:
Avid Fan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Your dog "sneaks out" because she hasn't been TRAINED not
to sneak out, for crissakes!
Ok how do you do that?

Sneaking out? I can answer that - they just don't. From day
one, mine don't barge out the door because they're not allowed
to. The same goes for my dog daycare dogs, which can take more
time, but not much, because they're only here twice or so a
week. I've often stood at the glass door for 10 or 15 minutes
not letting the dogs break their wait while their owner has
stood (somewhat patiently) on my door step.

Escaping? Make your place the best place to be. That includes
making rules and boundries understood.

Mistakes never happen - right.

Dogman wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:17:31 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


I did not seek out a dog, but I had compassion and I took him in.

And now he's your RESPONSIBILITY.

Either do the right thing by Muttley, or find him someone who can.

Asshole.


All talk - no action

Your advice.........

Nothing


**** wit

"Dogman" wrote in message
news
How much time have you invested in TRAINING Muttley in the past 4
years?
My guess?
About as much time as I invest in taking my daily dump.


Alison : Surely it's not the amount of time you spend training your dog
but how
good a trainer you are ?

Dogman: But how much time, or skill, does it take for even an average
dog
owner to train his dog to recall reliably, and walk on a loose leash?
Those things aren't that difficult to do, and they're essentially
mandatory for any responsible dog owner, don't you agree?

So what was the point of your original comment about asking Paul how
long he spent training the dog ? I don't know how long you spend on a
daily dump but it implies that Paul doesn't spend enough time training his
dog.
BTW this isn't about Paul. What I am saying is that if one owner gives
the dog the wrong message say with incorrect timing then that dog will take
a lot longer to learn the command than a dog with an owner who is good at
timing.

"Phyrie" wrote in message
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I'm sorry, but this guy is respected by whom? I had a look at the front
page of his website.

By trainers and behaviourists who have done Emotional Freedom
Tecnique
courses. There is a woman Pea Horsley who is an animal communicator who
helps the RSPCA and other organisations with rescue pets. If you go to her
website and click on About Pea tab on the left it tells you more
http://www.animalthoughts.com/

I need to read more about this subject and I don't have time right now.
I'm cautious about psychic stuff too but perhapas it's more than that. I'm
not going to throw the baby out with the bath water yet.
I'm sure you've heard of T-touch. I was put off by Linda Tellington's
psychic point of view. But in the UK, people have found the special
massage and the exercises have helped their rescue dogs .
Sarah Fisher is very well known and along with her partner Anthony Head
they rehabiliate rescue animals and teach others to do so using T Touch.
http://www.tilleyfarm.co.uk/home.html
Alison

On 4/29/2010 8:16 PM, Phyrie wrote:


"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:05:03 -0400, Char
wrote:

Your insanity is showing again!

This from the person who advised a poster to contact an animal
communicator so she could find out for sure what was going through
their minds.

*snicker* You saw that too, huh? Some people will pay for the stupidest
things...

Phyrie

There ya both go again, trashing something you know nothing about. Insanity!

"Dogman" wrote in message
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Oh, please, Alison. Anyone else could be confined to a wheelchair,
suffer from cerebral palsy and mental retardation, and still be able
to teach his dog how to walk on a loose leash in 4 freakin' years.

I'm sure they could. They could teach a dog to heel in 30 minutes if they
knew the correct way, as any other dog owner could.
If they continue to train the dog incorrectly and reinforce the wrong
thing then the dog is learning something else and he is not learning to
heel.
It's easy to inadvertively teach the wrong behaviour and then blame the
dog.

Can we talk about training ín general ?


Ali

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:06:50 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

"Dogman" wrote in message
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Oh, please, Alison. Anyone else could be confined to a wheelchair,
suffer from cerebral palsy and mental retardation, and still be able
to teach his dog how to walk on a loose leash in 4 freakin' years.

I'm sure they could.

So...why can't Schoen?

It's just not that important to me. Why do you have such anger and rage
about this issue, which in no way should affect you. Or do you seek to make
all the world conform to your expectations?

And why don't we hear anything about your own dogs?

They could teach a dog to heel in 30 minutes if they
knew the correct way, as any other dog owner could.

So...after 4 years here, various classes with private trainers, all
those books, all those collars, all those manuals, all those web sites
he's constantly offering up, all the chat rooms, all the TV
dog-training shows...you don't think Schoen knows how yet?

Can we talk about training ín general ?

You are free to talk about anything you want to talk about, Alison.

Dogman apparently "has his lipstick out" whenever he thinks about me and
Muttley and it gets him even more excited to use insults and vulgarity
directed at me. I can see him mounting his laptop now as he prepares hid
next round of virtual coprolalia. Ain't that right, Dogmaniac?

Sheesh. Do something productive for a change, Dogman.

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com