I was looking on-line for a good deal on an Easy-Walk harness for Muttley,
and came across this collar. It is made so that it will stretch if not
hooked to a leash, so the dog can pull out of it in a life-threatening
situation such as getting it caught on a fence. It looks like it has two
rings to which the leash is clipped, and a third ring on the opposite end
for ID tags. Here is the info:
http://www.entirelypets.com/tazlabcollar1.html

Of course, it may not work in situations such as the last couple of times
Muttley got loose. The first time the clip somehow came unhooked, so it
would have worked, but the second time, just a few days ago, he actually
broke the steel tether where it had kinked and corroded, so he still had
part of it clipped on, and the stretch collar would not have worked.

In both instances I was worried that he might have gone into or across the
busy road, and as I called for him, I heard noises in the distance of one or
more dogs barking, along with possibly the howl of the coyote, and people
yelling. Not good.

But in the first instance, as I returned to the house after he had been gone
for over an hour, he was in front and greeted me with two sharp barks. He
came to me and seemed happy to have me clip his leash back on, although I'm
sure he would have followed me back into the house.

In the second, more recent instance, I had let him out on the tether and
when I went back out to get him I found it had broken. I had to put fresh
batteries in my headlamp, and then I went out searching for him along our
usual path. Suddenly I felt a presence by my side and there was Muttley, and
he walked ahead dragging the remains of the tether. Again I clipped on his
leash to take him back to the house, and I'm also sure he would have
followed off-lead, but I didn't want to take any chances.

When Muttley and I visited Bonnie at http://www.boardingatthewedge.com, she
fitted Muttley with a size M/L Easy Walk harness, and was going to order
one. But she's been busy, and will be at the dog show tomorrow showing her
Borzois, so I called the local pet supply stores and checked on-line. The
Petco and PetSmart don't carry the in-between size, and their price is about
$25. On-line I found one place through Amazon selling a large for $11.10,
and it's $17.99 for the M/L from EntirelyPets. I know this is not a cure-all
but it might help to focus on training a good loose lead walk when I use it.

Anyway, a few items for discussion. Or not...

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
I was looking on-line for a good deal on an Easy-Walk harness for
Muttley, and came across this collar. It is made so that it will stretch
if not hooked to a leash, so the dog can pull out of it in a
life-threatening situation such as getting it caught on a fence. It
looks like it has two rings to which the leash is clipped, and a third
ring on the opposite end for ID tags. Here is the info:
http://www.entirelypets.com/tazlabcollar1.html

Of course, it may not work in situations such as the last couple of
times Muttley got loose. The first time the clip somehow came unhooked,
so it would have worked, but the second time, just a few days ago, he
actually broke the steel tether where it had kinked and corroded, so he
still had part of it clipped on, and the stretch collar would not have
worked.

In both instances I was worried that he might have gone into or across
the busy road, and as I called for him, I heard noises in the distance
of one or more dogs barking, along with possibly the howl of the coyote,
and people yelling. Not good.

But in the first instance, as I returned to the house after he had been
gone for over an hour, he was in front and greeted me with two sharp
barks. He came to me and seemed happy to have me clip his leash back on,
although I'm sure he would have followed me back into the house.

In the second, more recent instance, I had let him out on the tether and
when I went back out to get him I found it had broken. I had to put
fresh batteries in my headlamp, and then I went out searching for him
along our usual path. Suddenly I felt a presence by my side and there
was Muttley, and he walked ahead dragging the remains of the tether.
Again I clipped on his leash to take him back to the house, and I'm also
sure he would have followed off-lead, but I didn't want to take any
chances.

When Muttley and I visited Bonnie at http://www.boardingatthewedge.com,
she fitted Muttley with a size M/L Easy Walk harness, and was going to
order one. But she's been busy, and will be at the dog show tomorrow
showing her Borzois, so I called the local pet supply stores and checked
on-line. The Petco and PetSmart don't carry the in-between size, and
their price is about $25. On-line I found one place through Amazon
selling a large for $11.10, and it's $17.99 for the M/L from
EntirelyPets. I know this is not a cure-all but it might help to focus
on training a good loose lead walk when I use it.

Anyway, a few items for discussion. Or not...

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com


I do not put a collar on my dog in the backyard. You can't have it
both ways you cannot have a collar that they can get out of so they
don't accidentally hang themselves and expect them to be secure when you
take them for a walk. It sounds like your yard is not secure is that
right? So you have to keep muttley tethered by a rope in the backyard -
is that right? If it is it very tough. I have a lot of trees in yard. A
rope would be a disaster. I really don't know what I would do.

When Carina was a pup and we went to the beach for a holiday. I tied
the lead to a pole when I went into a take away shop to get dinner for
the family. I had barely placed my order when I hear yelping from
outside. I run out find her on ground with the lead completely wrapped
around her in a knot. Legs everything was wrapped up in this mess. She
was bound tight even after I unclipped the lead.


Over here microchiping of your dog is compulsory. All pound and vets
have the equipment for detecting microchips. Part of the deal was that
every council must provide an off leash parks.

Harnesses IMHO are necessary for cars. I had one for my dog when she
was a pup. Thanks for reminding me. I will buy one for her tomorrow.
I have a station wagon. I need to either get a harness or a cargo shield.

Harness IMHO are no good for walking your dog as they pose no deterrent
against pulling. I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.

I bought a soft collar and a horse lead. Horse supply shops have them
they are nice and long and virtually indestructible.

If my dog was unruly on the lead and I had to struggle to walk her I
would use a "Halti" They are brilliant they will turn the most unruly
dog into an Angel! But! they can back out of them. You can get leads
with two clips. I would get connect one to the Halti and the other to a
soft collar.

I took Carina into the bush for a walk and let her off the lead. I
heard the characteristic thup thup of a Kangaroo and she was gone.
Called and called she is normally pretty good at recall. I despaired
it was a steep incline I was afraid that she may have fallen. I called
and searched for an hour. Nothing. We were visiting my mother outlaw
in the country and I had left my mobile charging.

I went back to my car with the intention of driving back collecting my
phone and resuming the search. Walking back to my car a kept calling -
nothing. When I got back to my car I found Carina standing on the
roof of my car.

"Avid Fan" wrote in message
...


I do not put a collar on my dog in the backyard. You can't have it both
ways you cannot have a collar that they can get out of so they don't
accidentally hang themselves and expect them to be secure when you take
them for a walk. It sounds like your yard is not secure is that right?
So you have to keep muttley tethered by a rope in the backyard - is that
right? If it is it very tough. I have a lot of trees in yard. A rope
would be a disaster. I really don't know what I would do.

When Carina was a pup and we went to the beach for a holiday. I tied the
lead to a pole when I went into a take away shop to get dinner for the
family. I had barely placed my order when I hear yelping from outside. I
run out find her on ground with the lead completely wrapped around her in
a knot. Legs everything was wrapped up in this mess. She was bound tight
even after I unclipped the lead.

When I first got Muttley in 2006 I was clueless and I kept him tethered with
a choker chain collar and a chain leash. I also tried to contain him in an
outdoor kennel, but he soon pushed through the chain link fencing where it
was tied at the bottom, even though he was still wearing a cone collar.
Fortunately he was also still tethered. I continued to keep him tethered
outside for about six months, sometimes for 12 hours at a time while I was
away, and sometimes he did get wrapped around a post, but never like you
describe.

Now I only tie him out while I am here, at times when I can't (or don't want
to) go out with him. Usually the tether is clipped to his flat martingale
collar. I've been using a longer tether which allows him to go as far as the
end of the deck where he can watch the front of the house, but it also lets
him go up the steep hill, and sometimes he has gotten wrapped around a small
tree. Sometimes I can give him directions on how to go back around the
obstruction and get free, but often he will just sit and make me come to
him. That was almost impossible sometimes when there was a lot of snow and
ice and I'm not too steady with my back problems. Sometimes I just unclipped
the other end of the tether and let him drag it down to me; other times I
was only just able to get to him so I could unclip it from his collar and
trust him to run back into the house, until daylight and better conditions
allowed me to fix it safely.


Over here microchiping of your dog is compulsory. All pound and vets have
the equipment for detecting microchips. Part of the deal was that every
council must provide an off leash parks.

Harnesses IMHO are necessary for cars. I had one for my dog when she was
a pup. Thanks for reminding me. I will buy one for her tomorrow.
I have a station wagon. I need to either get a harness or a cargo shield.

I have had a car harness for him for quite a while, and always use it for
longer trips on the highway. For local trips I don't always use it, and I
realize it's still a risk. But he's very good at staying on his side of the
car and he's not reactive to other dogs or people outside.


Harness IMHO are no good for walking your dog as they pose no deterrent
against pulling. I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.

I bought a soft collar and a horse lead. Horse supply shops have them
they are nice and long and virtually indestructible.

If my dog was unruly on the lead and I had to struggle to walk her I would
use a "Halti" They are brilliant they will turn the most unruly dog into
an Angel! But! they can back out of them. You can get leads with two
clips. I would get connect one to the Halti and the other to a soft
collar.

I've never tried the Halti, and I've heard that they are very good for many
dogs. I think Muttley would tolerate it well enough. The Easy Walk harness
has a clip on the chest, and when properly fitted, it is effective in
pulling the dog around to face you, but it does not work well if he has
pulled far ahead. You need to be able to pull him to the side and then
toward you. Otherwise it tends to twist the harness and eventually he can
get out of it. But he does not tend to try to escape by backing up. His
movement is always facing away from me, so his flat collar is OK.

I know it is really a matter of training and consistency, and the various
collars and harnesses are merely tools. Today when I was walking Muttley I
was feeling out of sorts and tired and achy and I just didn't feel like
fighting with Muttley to make him walk on a loose leash. When we got to the
steep part of the trail I was glad to have him pull me up the hill. He was
better on the parts where we had to negotiate a steep downhill section and
then a narrow trail where walking at my side would have been awkward at
best. When we got back to a wider section enroute back, I got him to "heel"
reasonably well for a bit, but I just didn't feel up to enforcing it as I
should. I try to reserve the "heel" command for times when I can make him
obey reasonably, and I also concentrated on having him stop and look at me
before proceeding. As simple as that seems, I often lapse into just pulling
back when he surges ahead. But if I cannot enforce the "heel", I pull him
next to me and stop for a second, and then say "OK" or "Go Ahead" or a
similar release word.


I took Carina into the bush for a walk and let her off the lead. I heard
the characteristic thup thup of a Kangaroo and she was gone. Called and
called she is normally pretty good at recall. I despaired it was a steep
incline I was afraid that she may have fallen. I called and searched for
an hour. Nothing. We were visiting my mother outlaw in the country and I
had left my mobile charging.

I went back to my car with the intention of driving back collecting my
phone and resuming the search. Walking back to my car a kept calling -
nothing. When I got back to my car I found Carina standing on the roof
of my car.

I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to know
where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your house or your
car or wherever else you may be. Even at your mother-outlaw's ROFL! I
don't worry about Muttley coming back, but the real danger is the narrow
road with maniac drivers. There are also lots of wildlife, including fox,
deer, and a coyote, which are very attractive to a dog with high prey drive.
And of course there are places where he could fall or get stuck in a fence
or otherwise be unable to get back.

I have thought about getting an inexpensive video camera (Muttley-Cam) and
put it on his collar to see the walk from his viewpoint. And I would love to
have footage from his off-leash escapades. If it could be rigged with a
transmitter maybe it could record in real time and I could see his
whereabouts on a remote monitor. But I don't think that's practical on a
limited budget. Maybe a cell phone with a GPS device? A two-way radio
collar?

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

On Apr 24, 4:43*pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
"Avid Fan" wrote in message

...







I do not put a collar on my dog in the backyard. * You can't have it both
ways you cannot have a collar that they *can get out of so they don't
accidentally hang themselves and expect them to be secure when you take
them for a walk. * It sounds like your yard is not secure is that right?
So you have to keep muttley tethered by a rope in the backyard - is that
right? *If it is it very tough. I have a lot of trees in yard. A rope
would be a disaster. *I really don't know what I would do.

When Carina was a pup and we went to the beach for a holiday. *I tied the
lead to a pole when I went into a take away shop to get dinner for the
family. *I had barely placed my order when I hear yelping from outside. *I
run out find her on ground with the lead completely wrapped around her in
a knot. *Legs everything was wrapped up in this mess. *She was bound tight
even after I unclipped the lead.

When I first got Muttley in 2006 I was clueless and I kept him tethered with
a choker chain collar and a chain leash. I also tried to contain him in an
outdoor kennel, but he soon pushed through the chain link fencing where it
was tied at the bottom, even though he was still wearing a cone collar.
Fortunately he was also still tethered. I continued to keep him tethered
outside for about six months, sometimes for 12 hours at a time while I was
away, and sometimes he did get wrapped around a post, but never like you
describe.

Now I only tie him out while I am here, at times when I can't (or don't want
to) go out with him. Usually the tether is clipped to his flat martingale
collar. I've been using a longer tether which allows him to go as far as the
end of the deck where he can watch the front of the house, but it also lets
him go up the steep hill, and sometimes he has gotten wrapped around a small
tree. Sometimes I can give him directions on how to go back around the
obstruction and get free, but often he will just sit and make me come to
him. That was almost impossible sometimes when there was a lot of snow and
ice and I'm not too steady with my back problems. Sometimes I just unclipped
the other end of the tether and let him drag it down to me; other times I
was only just able to get to him so I could unclip it from his collar and
trust him to run back into the house, until daylight and better conditions
allowed me to fix it safely.



Over here microchiping of your dog is compulsory. *All pound and vets have
the equipment for detecting microchips. *Part of the deal was that every
council must provide an off leash parks.

Harnesses IMHO are necessary for cars. *I had one for my dog when she was
a pup. *Thanks for reminding me. *I will buy one for her tomorrow.
I have a station wagon. *I need to either get a harness or a cargo shield.

I have had a car harness for him for quite a while, and always use it for
longer trips on the highway. For local trips I don't always use it, and I
realize it's still a risk. But he's very good at staying on his side of the
car and he's not reactive to other dogs or people outside.

Harness IMHO are no good for walking your dog as they pose no deterrent
against pulling. I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. *When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.

I bought a soft collar and a horse lead. *Horse supply shops have them
they are nice and long *and virtually indestructible.

If my dog was unruly on the lead and I had to struggle to walk her I would
use a "Halti" *They are brilliant they will turn the most unruly dog into
an Angel! *But! they can back out of them. *You can get leads with two
clips. *I would get connect one to the Halti and the other to a soft
collar.

I've never tried the Halti, and I've heard that they are very good for many
dogs. I think Muttley would tolerate it well enough. The Easy Walk harness
has a clip on the chest, and when properly fitted, it is effective in
pulling the dog around to face you, but it does not work well if he has
pulled far ahead. You need to be able to pull him to the side and then
toward you. Otherwise it tends to twist the harness and eventually he can
get out of it. But he does not tend to try to escape by backing up. His
movement is always facing away from me, so his flat collar is OK.

I know it is really a matter of training and consistency, and the various
collars and harnesses are merely tools. Today when I was walking Muttley I
was feeling out of sorts and tired and achy and I just didn't feel like
fighting with Muttley to make him walk on a loose leash. When we got to the
steep part of the trail I was glad to have him pull me up the hill. He was
better on the parts where we had to negotiate a steep downhill section and
then a narrow trail where walking at my side would have been awkward at
best. When we got back to a wider section enroute back, I got him to "heel"
reasonably well for a bit, but I just didn't feel up to enforcing it as I
should. I try to reserve the "heel" command for times when I can make him
obey reasonably, and I also concentrated on having him stop and look at me
before proceeding. As simple as that seems, I often lapse into just pulling
back when he surges ahead. But if I cannot enforce the "heel", I pull him
next to me and stop for a second, and then say "OK" or "Go Ahead" or a
similar release word.

I took Carina into the bush for a walk and let her off the lead. *I heard
the characteristic thup thup of a Kangaroo and she was gone. Called and
called she is normally pretty good at recall. * I despaired it was a steep
incline *I was afraid that she may have fallen. *I called and searched for
an hour. *Nothing. *We were visiting my mother outlaw in the country and I
had left my mobile charging.

I went back to my car with the intention of driving back collecting my
phone and resuming the search. *Walking back to my car a kept calling -
nothing. * When I got back to my car *I found Carina standing on the roof
of my car.

I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to know
where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your house or your
car or wherever else you may be. Even at your mother-outlaw's ROFL! I
don't worry about Muttley coming back, but the real danger is the narrow
road with maniac drivers. There are also lots of wildlife, including fox,
deer, and a coyote, which are very attractive to a dog with high prey drive.
And of course there are places where he could fall or get stuck in a fence
or otherwise be unable to get back.

I have thought about getting an inexpensive video camera (Muttley-Cam) and
put it on his collar to see the walk from his viewpoint. And I would love to
have footage from his off-leash escapades. If it could be rigged with a
transmitter maybe it could record in real time and I could see his
whereabouts on a remote monitor. But I don't think that's practical on a
limited budget. Maybe a cell phone with a GPS device? A two-way radio
collar?

Paul and Muttleywww.muttleydog.com

Hello Paul and Muttley,


As you may have noticed and experienced, there is a wide, wide variety
of collars designed, in one way or another, to cause pain and
discomfort to the dog. The reason why there are so many different
types of collars from haltis, to chokers, to prongs to martingales or
whatever....is because the people who design collars are, well,
barking up the wrong tree.

The reason there are so many different types of dog collars (and
corresponding methods to cause pain to the dog with that specific type
of collar) is because none of them really work, fully.

Before I go any further, let me show you the revolutionary method that
I developed called the "Fo Paws" methodology, where by the type of
leash/collar is absolutely irrelevant because they are not used in the
training. Here it is, featuring unwanted pit bull type puppy dog
Jackie Brown. Astounding offleash pit bull training with NO collar
corrections whatsoever.

Is this possible? I know it is, because I invented the method.

Fo Paws offleash dog training in action

http://vimeo.com/10857281

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

michael wrote:
On Apr 24, 4:43 pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
"Avid Fan" wrote in message

...







I do not put a collar on my dog in the backyard. You can't have it both
ways you cannot have a collar that they can get out of so they don't
accidentally hang themselves and expect them to be secure when you take
them for a walk. It sounds like your yard is not secure is that right?
So you have to keep muttley tethered by a rope in the backyard - is that
right? If it is it very tough. I have a lot of trees in yard. A rope
would be a disaster. I really don't know what I would do.
When Carina was a pup and we went to the beach for a holiday. I tied the
lead to a pole when I went into a take away shop to get dinner for the
family. I had barely placed my order when I hear yelping from outside. I
run out find her on ground with the lead completely wrapped around her in
a knot. Legs everything was wrapped up in this mess. She was bound tight
even after I unclipped the lead.
When I first got Muttley in 2006 I was clueless and I kept him tethered with
a choker chain collar and a chain leash. I also tried to contain him in an
outdoor kennel, but he soon pushed through the chain link fencing where it
was tied at the bottom, even though he was still wearing a cone collar.
Fortunately he was also still tethered. I continued to keep him tethered
outside for about six months, sometimes for 12 hours at a time while I was
away, and sometimes he did get wrapped around a post, but never like you
describe.

Now I only tie him out while I am here, at times when I can't (or don't want
to) go out with him. Usually the tether is clipped to his flat martingale
collar. I've been using a longer tether which allows him to go as far as the
end of the deck where he can watch the front of the house, but it also lets
him go up the steep hill, and sometimes he has gotten wrapped around a small
tree. Sometimes I can give him directions on how to go back around the
obstruction and get free, but often he will just sit and make me come to
him. That was almost impossible sometimes when there was a lot of snow and
ice and I'm not too steady with my back problems. Sometimes I just unclipped
the other end of the tether and let him drag it down to me; other times I
was only just able to get to him so I could unclip it from his collar and
trust him to run back into the house, until daylight and better conditions
allowed me to fix it safely.



Over here microchiping of your dog is compulsory. All pound and vets have
the equipment for detecting microchips. Part of the deal was that every
council must provide an off leash parks.
Harnesses IMHO are necessary for cars. I had one for my dog when she was
a pup. Thanks for reminding me. I will buy one for her tomorrow.
I have a station wagon. I need to either get a harness or a cargo shield.
I have had a car harness for him for quite a while, and always use it for
longer trips on the highway. For local trips I don't always use it, and I
realize it's still a risk. But he's very good at staying on his side of the
car and he's not reactive to other dogs or people outside.

Harness IMHO are no good for walking your dog as they pose no deterrent
against pulling. I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.
I bought a soft collar and a horse lead. Horse supply shops have them
they are nice and long and virtually indestructible.
If my dog was unruly on the lead and I had to struggle to walk her I would
use a "Halti" They are brilliant they will turn the most unruly dog into
an Angel! But! they can back out of them. You can get leads with two
clips. I would get connect one to the Halti and the other to a soft
collar.
I've never tried the Halti, and I've heard that they are very good for many
dogs. I think Muttley would tolerate it well enough. The Easy Walk harness
has a clip on the chest, and when properly fitted, it is effective in
pulling the dog around to face you, but it does not work well if he has
pulled far ahead. You need to be able to pull him to the side and then
toward you. Otherwise it tends to twist the harness and eventually he can
get out of it. But he does not tend to try to escape by backing up. His
movement is always facing away from me, so his flat collar is OK.

I know it is really a matter of training and consistency, and the various
collars and harnesses are merely tools. Today when I was walking Muttley I
was feeling out of sorts and tired and achy and I just didn't feel like
fighting with Muttley to make him walk on a loose leash. When we got to the
steep part of the trail I was glad to have him pull me up the hill. He was
better on the parts where we had to negotiate a steep downhill section and
then a narrow trail where walking at my side would have been awkward at
best. When we got back to a wider section enroute back, I got him to "heel"
reasonably well for a bit, but I just didn't feel up to enforcing it as I
should. I try to reserve the "heel" command for times when I can make him
obey reasonably, and I also concentrated on having him stop and look at me
before proceeding. As simple as that seems, I often lapse into just pulling
back when he surges ahead. But if I cannot enforce the "heel", I pull him
next to me and stop for a second, and then say "OK" or "Go Ahead" or a
similar release word.

I took Carina into the bush for a walk and let her off the lead. I heard
the characteristic thup thup of a Kangaroo and she was gone. Called and
called she is normally pretty good at recall. I despaired it was a steep
incline I was afraid that she may have fallen. I called and searched for
an hour. Nothing. We were visiting my mother outlaw in the country and I
had left my mobile charging.
I went back to my car with the intention of driving back collecting my
phone and resuming the search. Walking back to my car a kept calling -
nothing. When I got back to my car I found Carina standing on the roof
of my car.
I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to know
where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your house or your
car or wherever else you may be. Even at your mother-outlaw's ROFL! I
don't worry about Muttley coming back, but the real danger is the narrow
road with maniac drivers. There are also lots of wildlife, including fox,
deer, and a coyote, which are very attractive to a dog with high prey drive.
And of course there are places where he could fall or get stuck in a fence
or otherwise be unable to get back.

I have thought about getting an inexpensive video camera (Muttley-Cam) and
put it on his collar to see the walk from his viewpoint. And I would love to
have footage from his off-leash escapades. If it could be rigged with a
transmitter maybe it could record in real time and I could see his
whereabouts on a remote monitor. But I don't think that's practical on a
limited budget. Maybe a cell phone with a GPS device? A two-way radio
collar?

Paul and Muttleywww.muttleydog.com

Hello Paul and Muttley,


As you may have noticed and experienced, there is a wide, wide variety
of collars designed, in one way or another, to cause pain and
discomfort to the dog. The reason why there are so many different
types of collars from haltis, to chokers, to prongs to martingales or
whatever....is because the people who design collars are, well,
barking up the wrong tree.

I disagree that haltis cause pain. Some of those things look like they
belong in a torture chamber. Has anyone ever used them those prong
collars.


The reason there are so many different types of dog collars (and
corresponding methods to cause pain to the dog with that specific type
of collar) is because none of them really work, fully.

Before I go any further, let me show you the revolutionary method that
I developed called the "Fo Paws" methodology, where by the type of
leash/collar is absolutely irrelevant because they are not used in the
training. Here it is, featuring unwanted pit bull type puppy dog
Jackie Brown. Astounding offleash pit bull training with NO collar
corrections whatsoever.

Is this possible? I know it is, because I invented the method.

Fo Paws offleash dog training in action

http://vimeo.com/10857281

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com


The video is impressive. Come on tell the truth what happens when
Jackie Brown sees a cat.

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
Walking back to my car a kept calling
- nothing. When I got back to my car I found Carina standing on the
roof of my car.

I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to
know where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your
house or your car or wherever else you may be. Even at your
mother-outlaw's ROFL!

Do you really think that my dog could not get lost? I'd like to believe
it. I really thought she was gone that time.


I have thought about getting an inexpensive video camera (Muttley-Cam)
and put it on his collar to see the walk from his viewpoint. And I would
love to have footage from his off-leash escapades. If it could be rigged
with a transmitter maybe it could record in real time and I could see
his whereabouts on a remote monitor. But I don't think that's practical
on a limited budget. Maybe a cell phone with a GPS device? A two-way
radio collar?


When you win lotto

On Apr 24, 11:54*pm, Avid Fan wrote:
michael wrote:
On Apr 24, 4:43 pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
"Avid Fan" wrote in message

...

I do not put a collar on my dog in the backyard. * You can't have it both
ways you cannot have a collar that they *can get out of so they don't
accidentally hang themselves and expect them to be secure when you take
them for a walk. * It sounds like your yard is not secure is that right?
So you have to keep muttley tethered by a rope in the backyard - is that
right? *If it is it very tough. I have a lot of trees in yard. A rope
would be a disaster. *I really don't know what I would do.
When Carina was a pup and we went to the beach for a holiday. *I tied the
lead to a pole when I went into a take away shop to get dinner for the
family. *I had barely placed my order when I hear yelping from outside. *I
run out find her on ground with the lead completely wrapped around her in
a knot. *Legs everything was wrapped up in this mess. *She was bound tight
even after I unclipped the lead.
When I first got Muttley in 2006 I was clueless and I kept him tethered with
a choker chain collar and a chain leash. I also tried to contain him in an
outdoor kennel, but he soon pushed through the chain link fencing where it
was tied at the bottom, even though he was still wearing a cone collar..
Fortunately he was also still tethered. I continued to keep him tethered
outside for about six months, sometimes for 12 hours at a time while I was
away, and sometimes he did get wrapped around a post, but never like you
describe.

Now I only tie him out while I am here, at times when I can't (or don't want
to) go out with him. Usually the tether is clipped to his flat martingale
collar. I've been using a longer tether which allows him to go as far as the
end of the deck where he can watch the front of the house, but it also lets
him go up the steep hill, and sometimes he has gotten wrapped around a small
tree. Sometimes I can give him directions on how to go back around the
obstruction and get free, but often he will just sit and make me come to
him. That was almost impossible sometimes when there was a lot of snow and
ice and I'm not too steady with my back problems. Sometimes I just unclipped
the other end of the tether and let him drag it down to me; other times I
was only just able to get to him so I could unclip it from his collar and
trust him to run back into the house, until daylight and better conditions
allowed me to fix it safely.

Over here microchiping of your dog is compulsory. *All pound and vets have
the equipment for detecting microchips. *Part of the deal was that every
council must provide an off leash parks.
Harnesses IMHO are necessary for cars. *I had one for my dog when she was
a pup. *Thanks for reminding me. *I will buy one for her tomorrow..
I have a station wagon. *I need to either get a harness or a cargo shield.
I have had a car harness for him for quite a while, and always use it for
longer trips on the highway. For local trips I don't always use it, and I
realize it's still a risk. But he's very good at staying on his side of the
car and he's not reactive to other dogs or people outside.

Harness IMHO are no good for walking your dog as they pose no deterrent
against pulling. I am no longer a fan of the check/choke chain. *When I
was a member of the German Shepherd club we had to have them.
I bought a soft collar and a horse lead. *Horse supply shops have them
they are nice and long *and virtually indestructible.
If my dog was unruly on the lead and I had to struggle to walk her I would
use a "Halti" *They are brilliant they will turn the most unruly dog into
an Angel! *But! they can back out of them. *You can get leads with two
clips. *I would get connect one to the Halti and the other to a soft
collar.
I've never tried the Halti, and I've heard that they are very good for many
dogs. I think Muttley would tolerate it well enough. The Easy Walk harness
has a clip on the chest, and when properly fitted, it is effective in
pulling the dog around to face you, but it does not work well if he has
pulled far ahead. You need to be able to pull him to the side and then
toward you. Otherwise it tends to twist the harness and eventually he can
get out of it. But he does not tend to try to escape by backing up. His
movement is always facing away from me, so his flat collar is OK.

I know it is really a matter of training and consistency, and the various
collars and harnesses are merely tools. Today when I was walking Muttley I
was feeling out of sorts and tired and achy and I just didn't feel like
fighting with Muttley to make him walk on a loose leash. When we got to the
steep part of the trail I was glad to have him pull me up the hill. He was
better on the parts where we had to negotiate a steep downhill section and
then a narrow trail where walking at my side would have been awkward at
best. When we got back to a wider section enroute back, I got him to "heel"
reasonably well for a bit, but I just didn't feel up to enforcing it as I
should. I try to reserve the "heel" command for times when I can make him
obey reasonably, and I also concentrated on having him stop and look at me
before proceeding. As simple as that seems, I often lapse into just pulling
back when he surges ahead. But if I cannot enforce the "heel", I pull him
next to me and stop for a second, and then say "OK" or "Go Ahead" or a
similar release word.

I took Carina into the bush for a walk and let her off the lead. *I heard
the characteristic thup thup of a Kangaroo and she was gone. Called and
called she is normally pretty good at recall. * I despaired it was a steep
incline *I was afraid that she may have fallen. *I called and searched for
an hour. *Nothing. *We were visiting my mother outlaw in the country and I
had left my mobile charging.
I went back to my car with the intention of driving back collecting my
phone and resuming the search. *Walking back to my car a kept calling -
nothing. * When I got back to my car *I found Carina standing on the roof
of my car.
I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to know
where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your house or your
car or wherever else you may be. Even at your mother-outlaw's ROFL! I
don't worry about Muttley coming back, but the real danger is the narrow
road with maniac drivers. There are also lots of wildlife, including fox,
deer, and a coyote, which are very attractive to a dog with high prey drive.
And of course there are places where he could fall or get stuck in a fence
or otherwise be unable to get back.

I have thought about getting an inexpensive video camera (Muttley-Cam) and
put it on his collar to see the walk from his viewpoint. And I would love to
have footage from his off-leash escapades. If it could be rigged with a
transmitter maybe it could record in real time and I could see his
whereabouts on a remote monitor. But I don't think that's practical on a
limited budget. Maybe a cell phone with a GPS device? A two-way radio
collar?

Paul and Muttleywww.muttleydog.com

Hello Paul and Muttley,

As you may have noticed and experienced, there is a wide, wide variety
of collars designed, in one way or another, to cause pain and
discomfort to the dog. The reason why there are so many different
types of collars from haltis, to chokers, to prongs to martingales or
whatever....is because the people who design collars are, well,
barking up the wrong tree.

I disagree that haltis cause pain. *Some of those things look like they
belong in a torture chamber. *Has anyone ever used them those prong
collars.







The reason there are so many different types of dog collars (and
corresponding methods to cause pain to the dog with that specific type
of collar) is because none of them really work, fully.

Before I go any further, let me show you the revolutionary method that
I developed called the "Fo Paws" methodology, where by the type of
leash/collar is absolutely irrelevant because they are not used in the
training. Here it is, featuring unwanted pit bull type puppy dog
Jackie Brown. Astounding offleash pit bull training with NO collar
corrections whatsoever.

Is this possible? I know it is, because I invented the method.

Fo Paws offleash dog training in action

http://vimeo.com/10857281

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

The video is impressive. *Come on tell the truth what happens when
Jackie Brown sees a cat.


Coyotes and cats and skunks are tricky, but they are all part of the
game. What I have taught Jackie Brown is the rules of the game. The
biggest rule of the game is that you don't cross the street unless you
get the specific signal. Same with chasing other animals/people. And
she loves the game, and she loves doing it right. She is conflicted
when she sees a cat, no doubt, she knows the rules, but her instincts
tell her to break the rules. Like in Basketball, I'm the referee and I
use a whistle if she commits a foul like going after a cat. A simple
whistle blast will stop her and I'll put her on a leash if I think the
situation is too tricky for her current level of development. One
thing that is similar in my method and traditional methods is
proofing.

So you proof with cats, if you have them handy, but you don't do it
with corrections but with teaching the dog that cats are also part of
the game and that the same rules apply.

99% of my training is done without leash/collar involved in the
picture.

Jackie Brown is not perfect and perfection for all situations is never
the goal. But perfection for YOUR situation, YOUR neighborhood, YOUR
housing development or YOUR park is the goal.

--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

"Avid Fan" wrote in message
...
Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"Avid Fan" wrote
Walking back to my car a kept calling
- nothing. When I got back to my car I found Carina standing on the
roof of my car.

I think that proves that she is bonded to you and is smart enough to know
where she is and how to get back to "home", whether it is your house or
your car or wherever else you may be. Even at your mother-outlaw's
ROFL!

Do you really think that my dog could not get lost? I'd like to believe
it. I really thought she was gone that time.

There are cases where dogs have actually been taken far from their homes and
they have found their way back. And sometimes an animal can get loose and
then become afraid and hide under a neighbor's porch (as happened to a
friend's cat). And there are certainly some dogs who have taken off never to
be seen again. I think some dogs, at least, have the equivalent of GPS,
while others may lack that ability. And it also depends on how comfortable
the dog is with his human.

On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone. He had gone across the road, and I
even went there tp try to get him, but he wasn't ready so he rolled around
on the ice and then trotted off. An hour later I went out again, and this
time he came to me and was finally happy to go back in.

Paul and Muttley

"Dogman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:40:19 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone.

&^*&$%&%#$! You don't deserve a dog.

Keep in mind that:

1. He was free to come back whenever he wanted to.

2. Nothing bad happened.

3. He obviously enjoyed his off-leash outing.

4. I was his only hope to stay alive.

I did not seek out a dog, but I had compassion and I took him in.

Of course now he is a big part of my life, but I can't guarantee his safety
at all times. And nothing bad happened. So there might be "better" owners
out there, but he is comfortable and happy with me, and his life is
certainly better than that of the average dog.

Paul and Muttley

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
...



On Christmas Eve Muttley was gone for about three hours in sub-freezing
temps, and I thought he might be gone. He had gone across the road, and I
even went there tp try to get him, but he wasn't ready so he rolled around
on the ice and then trotted off. An hour later I went out again, and this
time he came to me and was finally happy to go back in.

Paul and Muttley


I would have been absolutely frantic. Remy got loose once shortly after we
got him as a pup and was missing for about 30 minutes. What made me crazy
was we live near some very busy streets. My son drove around in his car
looking and I was on foot. It was after dark and I kept calling his name
and asking everyone I saw if they had seen a dog that met his description.
Finally my son drove up and I saw Remy in the back seat, looking like a
happy pup without a care in the world. I was so relieved! I live in an
urban area, and bad things sometimes happen to dogs who get loose. Needless
to say, recall went to the top of the list for necessary training.