BOOSHOD IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - Consider it from the dogs
point of view. He sleeps where he wants, he eats when he wants, he lead
you around. Any wonder he gets impression he’s the Boss ? Don’t allow him
to go though doors ahead of you. Don’t allow him to go up or down stairs
ahead of you. Don’t allow him to lead you down hallways. Always position
him so you are leading and hi is following. If he’s lying down, don’t
walk around him. Put your feet on the floor and shuffle through him (note
you don’t kick the dog, merely push him gently out of the way) - may him
think about where you are and what you are doing. When he orders you to
let him out, take charge of going outside. Built a ritual around the
door. Focus his attention on you. Do you want to go out ? Go to the
door ? Want to go out ? Sit, Down, Sit, Stay. Then open the door and
order him out. Okay go outside ! You change the situation so you are in
charge of it. Keep the dog on the floor . Not on the couch, not on the
chair, not halfway up the stairs surveying his domain, not in your lap,
not on the car seat. On the floor. Don’t have the dog loose in the house
when you are not home. Free run of the house when Boss is not home allows
the dog to feel powerful and in charge. Don’t allow the dog to sleep on
your bed, or on child’s bed. Dogs recognize the bed as a throne of the
Boss. If he sleeps away from you however, he will think that you own the
bedroom, but he owns the rest of the house. The dog should sleep in your
bedroom, if you can’t have him sleeping in your bedroom (allergies, for
instance), confirm him to his crate.

On Mon, 10 May 2010 20:23:34 -0500, sonofdog wrote:

BOOSHOD IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - Consider it from the dogs
point of view. He sleeps where he wants, he eats when he wants, he lead
you around. Any wonder he gets impression he’s the Boss ? Don’t allow him
to go though doors ahead of you. Don’t allow him to go up or down stairs
ahead of you. Don’t allow him to lead you down hallways. Always position
him so you are leading and hi is following. If he’s lying down, don’t
walk around him. Put your feet on the floor and shuffle through him (note
you don’t kick the dog, merely push him gently out of the way) - may him
think about where you are and what you are doing. When he orders you to
let him out, take charge of going outside. Built a ritual around the
door. Focus his attention on you. Do you want to go out ? Go to the
door ? Want to go out ? Sit, Down, Sit, Stay. Then open the door and
order him out. Okay go outside ! You change the situation so you are in
charge of it. Keep the dog on the floor . Not on the couch, not on the
chair, not halfway up the stairs surveying his domain, not in your lap,
not on the car seat. On the floor. Don’t have the dog loose in the house
when you are not home. Free run of the house when Boss is not home allows
the dog to feel powerful and in charge. Don’t allow the dog to sleep on
your bed, or on child’s bed. Dogs recognize the bed as a throne of the
Boss. If he sleeps away from you however, he will think that you own the
bedroom, but he owns the rest of the house. The dog should sleep in your
bedroom, if you can’t have him sleeping in your bedroom (allergies, for
instance), confirm him to his crate.

Sorry, but I don't buy most of this.

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2010 20:23:34 -0500, sonofdog wrote:

BOOSHOD

Sorry, but I don't buy most of this.

Yup. And I think it's Bosshood. And I found that it's not the best way to
train a dog. It's about respect, and setting reasonable boundaries, rules,
and limitations. It's NOT about yanking a choke collar to force a dog into
compliance. It's all about being reasonable, kind, and communicating. And
that's a two-way duplex interspecies link, and not a master/slave interface.

And that's why I respectfully passed on sonofdog's offer. Muttley and I are
just fine, thank you.

P&M

On Mon, 10 May 2010 21:43:34 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 10 May 2010 20:23:34 -0500, sonofdog wrote:

BOOSHOD

Sorry, but I don't buy most of this.

Yup. And I think it's Bosshood.

Is that what BOOSHOD was supposed to be? I couldn't figure it out.

And I found that it's not the best way to
train a dog. It's about respect, and setting reasonable boundaries, rules,
and limitations. It's NOT about yanking a choke collar to force a dog into
compliance. It's all about being reasonable, kind, and communicating. And
that's a two-way duplex interspecies link, and not a master/slave interface.

Not just that, but I don't buy that the human has to go through the
door first and the dog has to stay on the floor and never get on
furniture or in the human's bed, etc. I do want my dogs to move out
of my way when I ask them to, because I don't want to trip over them.
My dogs sleeping in bed with me may be trying to get as much of the
space as they can, but they aren't dreaming of world domination or
even about being the boss of me. And they get off when they're told
to.

On Mon, 10 May 2010 22:12:11 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2010 21:48:37 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
wrote:

And that's a two-way duplex interspecies link, and not a master/slave interface."

Heh.

Spock would be proud.

Probably, but it was really Paul who wrote it. I wouldn't have
thought of that. But then, I didn't see "Bosshood" in "BOOSHOD",
either. I kind of like BOOSHOD.

sonofdog said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

BOOSHOD IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - Consider it from
the dogs point of view. He sleeps where he wants, he eats
when he wants, he lead you around. Any wonder he gets
impression he’s the Boss ? Don’t allow him to go though
doors ahead of you. Don’t allow him to go up or down
stairs ahead of you. Don’t allow him to lead you down
hallways. Always position him so you are leading and hi is
following. If he’s lying down, don’t walk around him.
Put your feet on the floor and shuffle through him (note
you don’t kick the dog, merely push him gently out of the
way) - may him think about where you are and what you are
doing. When he orders you to let him out, take charge of
going outside. Built a ritual around the door. Focus his
attention on you. Do you want to go out ? Go to the door ?
Want to go out ? Sit, Down, Sit, Stay. Then open the door
and order him out. Okay go outside ! You change the
situation so you are in charge of it. Keep the dog on the
floor . Not on the couch, not on the chair, not halfway up
the stairs surveying his domain, not in your lap, not on
the car seat. On the floor. Don’t have the dog loose in
the house when you are not home. Free run of the house when
Boss is not home allows the dog to feel powerful and in
charge. Don’t allow the dog to sleep on your bed, or on
child’s bed. Dogs recognize the bed as a throne of the
Boss. If he sleeps away from you however, he will think
that you own the bedroom, but he owns the rest of the
house. The dog should sleep in your bedroom, if you can’t
have him sleeping in your bedroom (allergies, for
instance), confirm him to his crate.

Old school dominance theory. Works, but doesn't stick. I do
almost everything opposite your cut'n'paste. I wrote short
sentences because you can't format, spell, or think for
yourself.

--
--Matt.

"Rocky" wrote in message
...

Old school dominance theory. Works, but doesn't stick. I do
almost everything opposite your cut'n'paste. I wrote short
sentences because you can't format, spell, or think for
yourself.

I think "sonofdog" adheres to the doctrine of the Monks of New Skete. I much
prefer Cesar Millan's approach, which includes some of their dominance
theory, but tempers it with a variety of techniques that are tailored to
suit the temperament of the dog and the personality and abilities of the
handler/owner. I usually have Muttley sit and wait as I go out the door
first, but going back in, I usually unclip his leash as he waits at the door
and then I let him go in ahead of me. And as long as he does not become
possessive of his spot on the bed, and gets off or moves out of the way when
I ask him to, there is no problem.

My friend often says that Muttley was the "dominant alpha dog" in his pack
when he was running wild, and I think she assumes he will always have that
tendency, although she observes that he respects me as his pack leader. I
think dogs and people share traits of dominance and submission, where some
people and dogs seek to control their environment and give orders, while
others are more submissive and would rather follow a leader. As long as ones
needs are met, either position should be acceptable, and it is certainly
easier to follow than to lead. But somebody has to do it, and some people
are better suited at it than others.

Here's how NOT to train a dog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uEnAqEXp9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MD_A89X4UQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ3wg...eature=related
http://animal.discovery.com/videos/h...o-train-a-dog/

Paul and Muttley

"sonofdog" wrote in message
...
BOOSHOD IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - Consider it from the dogs
point of view. He sleeps where he wants, he eats when he wants, he lead
you around. Any wonder he gets impression he's the Boss ? Don't allow him
to go though doors ahead of you. Don't allow him to go up or down stairs
ahead of you. Don't allow him to lead you down hallways. Always position
him so you are leading and hi is following. If he's lying down, don't
walk around him. Put your feet on the floor and shuffle through him (note
you don't kick the dog, merely push him gently out of the way) -

I like that you added a note about not kicking the dog to move it and to
be gentle.

There is UK trainer /behaviourist called Jan Fennell and had a TV series
(10 years ago) about problem dogs similar to CM. She also wrote dog books
and she was very popular. She advoctates the Pack Leader rules and I was
very into her and the pack rules at one time. However, I have learnt more
about this and have changed my mind .

This webpage explains why many other people are questioning Dominance
theory and pack leader rules.
To the bottom of the page there are more links about "Dominance"
http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm

Mech: Outmoded notion of Alpha Wolf
http://www.davemech.org/news.html

Alison

On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:42:44 +0100, Alison wrote:

"sonofdog" wrote in message
...
BOOSHOD IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - Consider it from the dogs
point of view. He sleeps where he wants, he eats when he wants, he lead
you around. Any wonder he gets impression he's the Boss ? Don't allow
him to go though doors ahead of you. Don't allow him to go up or down
stairs ahead of you. Don't allow him to lead you down hallways. Always
position him so you are leading and hi is following. If he's lying
down, don't walk around him. Put your feet on the floor and shuffle
through him (note you don't kick the dog, merely push him gently out of
the way) -

I like that you added a note about not kicking the dog to move it and
to
be gentle.

You have got an idea and you talk the subject !
I'm sure you also understood that all rules can and should be implemented
gently and humanly.

Times do change, science advances, "panta rei"
however we still tend to call people that invented silk "barbarians" ;-)

Dominance does exist, some replies to my post do show it ;-)

Thank you for interesting links.
--
thedalpal

On Tue, 11 May 2010 11:14:06 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2010 09:20:38 -0500, andal wrote:

Dominance does exist, some replies to my post do show it ;-)

Another tip: Try not to confuse friendly and constructive criticism
with dominance.

And since this is a discussion group, not Proselytizer's Anonymous, feel
free to discuss those replies too.

For example, what was it exactly about the friendly, constructive
criticism that caused you to confuse it for "dominance"?

Dogman, relax ! please !

unless you are a pack leader here do not tell me how to fee freely,
it may create dominant reply ;-)

I have presented old school and as someone noticed "Works, but doesn't
stick" and I do not mind that.
I would discuss replies but at the moment "can't format, spell, or think
for" myself ;-)

BTW, find out what spam means.
--
thedalpal