sighthounds & siberians wrote:

snip
It is a Russian name; I don't recall what it means.

Googling yields unconquered. Mostly used for girls, but Kruschev, of
course, was a man. I hope it wasn't inspired by "La Femme Nikita".

--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:29:04 -0600, William Clodius wrote:

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

snip
It is a Russian name; I don't recall what it means.

Googling yields unconquered.

don't be a traitor ;-)

use

http://dogpile.com

On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:29:04 -0600, (William
Clodius) wrote:

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

snip
It is a Russian name; I don't recall what it means.

Googling yields unconquered. Mostly used for girls, but Kruschev, of
course, was a man. I hope it wasn't inspired by "La Femme Nikita".

Well, unconquered is a nice sentiment, given her circumstances. I
didn't name her, just chose not to re-name her.

"sonofdog" wrote in message
el...
On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:29:04 -0600, William Clodius wrote:

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

snip
It is a Russian name; I don't recall what it means.

Googling yields unconquered.

don't be a traitor ;-)

use

http://dogpile.com

Go Arfie!!

Paul and Muttley, dogpiling for over 10 years

"starcat" wrote
"cshenk" wrote

Can you tell me how you trained him to back off on command?

I don't have issues there but am merely curious on the process. My dog
will just lickify an intruder to death (hehehe).

The protectiveness didn't really come out in him until he was about 18
months old, but it became especially apparent with my son. I never really
had as much trouble with him in that way, but then I'm not the one out
jogging with him at 10 p.m., and my son is his primary person. He adores
my son first, and I'm second - or at least it seems he's bonded more with
my son.

Yeah, one pooch we reviewed latched really strong to me right away. It was
like within an hour she wouldnt listen to Don or Charlotte but within her
knowledge base, she did everything I asked.

That didnt suit *us* (and some other issues she had) so we didnt adopt her.
I think all dogs though seem to have a 'primary person?' It may not be all
that obvious and our current pooch and cat both are pretty even on most
things. Come feeding dinner time they will both bug ME to remind Charlotte
of dinner (hehehehe). Come breakfast time they won't even look at me but
bug Don. Lunch noshe though is a free for all with whomever they see.

We did formal training with him, but the trickiest part was my son and I
getting on the same page with him, since my approach was a bit different
than my son's. My son actually worked with Remy on hand signals and
taught him several of those. With the proper hand signal Remy will stop
barking or wait. I found it worked better for me if I used a vocal
command too. Pei are stubborn, but when they get it - they really get it.
They tend to be quite confident dogs, so you do need to give them
guidance.

That makes sense. Don, Charlotte and I tripped one another up at the start
with Cash. We recognized it almost right away and started matching up
methods so we didnt confuse the pooch. (Cat training is different but we've
had so many, we do it in synch automatically).

When he gets too protective he positions himself right in front of you and
starts a particular vocalization that is different than his usual growly
Pei talk. His body language changes too. What works for us is to say his
name and then the word "chill." It's not conventional, but he will turn
around and look at you when you say his name, and then "chill" is the word
my son and I agreed on to always use. At first we would take hold of his
collar too and ask him to sit, but now he will just stop his "I'm the big
bad wolf" routine with "Remy" and then when he looks at you, say "chill."
He will just sit his butt down and wait.

Hey, works! We started working with Cash to teach him 'brake' which means
'slow down and come to a slow stop'. Charlotte is doing most of that as she
takes him jogging. It may not be a traditional word but if we can get him
ready to jog alongside me on a slow bike, it's needed. He's a little
confused still on it but enjoying learning a new trick to please his 2
foots.

It's not conventional, I'm sure, but it works for us. The big thing was
to take control of the situation and let Remy know the human is in control
before he decides he's going to take control himself and possibly attack.
He's never attacked man nor beast, and I don't want him to ever do so.

Very wise.

The formal training was to help us with the basics, particularly since it
had been so long since I'd had a dog, and my son had never had one. It
helped with the leash training and how to properly use the pinch collar -
stuff like that. It also helped us with the recall, which was harder with
this dog than my first, who was a breeze to train. Then again she was a
Lab-Sheepdog mix, who had the best of both breeds in her.

Oh I love Labs! Sheepdogs are cool too!

Again, I'm sure the pros here, like Dogman and S&S have better techniques
for backing off on command, but this is what works for us.

I'm sure they are facinated by it all and happy at anything that *works*. I
think they are mostly frustrated at people who don't 'train' at all. My own
take with my first dog (reinforced by Hubby who's had many) is they
generally get 'bored' (and possibly destructive due to boredom) if they
havent some challange or other going on at least once a day for a bit. My
view may be colored by the nature of my particular pooch though.

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote
"cshenk" wrote:

I wanna hear about 'Joe's Smiths dog, Benji the Mooch' or 'Sara Janes dog,
Flutter-head' or whatever we have out there. There's more of us than me
and
Paul (Cash-pup and Muttley) and I feared we were turning this group,
though
re-growing nicely, into the 'Cash and Muttley show'.

This has always been more of a forum for discussion of behavior and/or
training than just people chatting about cute things their dogs do.

Smile, you'll have noted that's pretty much what folks in this thread (as
far as I have read) are doing.

, but I'll relate that Nikita, our
newish Borzoi rescue (which I say to distinguish her from our 11
month-old Borzoi pup), has been doing much better with her fearfulness
after being started on a low dose of amitriptyline. The ami seems to

Can you tell me a bit more on this medicine? Reading below she seems to
have almost something a bit like some people have and it's a medication to
help her associate better?

Amitriptyline is the generic name for Elavil. It is a human
anti-depressant which, when used in dogs, helps with anxiety and
anxiety-related disorders such as separation anxiety. Nikita does not
have separation anxiety, she has plain old anxiety resulting from
neglect and abuse.

Ah, makes sense. I could tell from context that it was like that but didnt
google it up.

Howdy All,
Last Nov. I was heading to the store after running my 2 younger
Salukis. I'm on this little dirt road when I see a dog trotting along in
front of me. I figure she will take off into the desert when I get close
but she lays down in the shade of a bush next to the road. I drive past
but she doesn't move, so I stop. Both of my guys are making a lot of
noise being brave. I get out and get some water for her. Then I load her
in the Jeep for the ride home. She is a German Shorthair Pointer. She
has a shake in the rear and doesn't stand on her right rear leg
properly. Got some x-rays and she has some buckshot in her. A friend
looked at the x-ray and said that it isn't birdshot, it is bigger stuff
for bigger animals like rabbit. So the next weekend I take her out with
my 2 guys on our rabbit run. Find out she was trained to flush rabbits.
Which works out real good for us. So she is still with us. Oh yeah! her
name?! The first week I had her I heard the Fleetwood Mac song Gypsy
several times. It stuck :-)

Frank X. Morris http://community.webtv.net/Sulkhalil/ChimeandFriends

"cshenk" wrote in message
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I'm sure they are facinated by it all and happy at anything that *works*.
I think they are mostly frustrated at people who don't 'train' at all. My
own take with my first dog (reinforced by Hubby who's had many) is they
generally get 'bored' (and possibly destructive due to boredom) if they
havent some challange or other going on at least once a day for a bit. My
view may be colored by the nature of my particular pooch though.

It may depend on the energy level of the dog (and the human). Muttley and I
may be well suited to each other in that respect. He certainly doesn't seem
to get bored to the point of being destructive, and he seems happy enough
with one or two short walks almost every day.

Today I got my order from www.entirelypets.com. I got two Premier collars
and matching leashes for $3.95 each, a large red GL head collar for $15.99,
a M/L red Easy Walk harness for $17.99, a tick twister Pro for $3.95, a CET
toothbrush for $3.89, and beef flavored toothpaste for $4.49. Only $5
shipping. I tried the head collar on him but he didn't much like the nose
strap, and he scratched it off. I'll try again later and get him used to it
gradually. The regular collars and leashes are very nice looking green/red
on black.

I also got a coupon for $6 off Joint Max, which someone on the CM forum
suggested as a preventative measure. He'll be six this summer, so he's
pretty much middle-aged. I liked the wide range of items they had and
on-line ordering is convenient. I was going to get some collar and leash
lights, too, so I might place another order.
http://www.entirelypets.com/leashlights.html

I also want to get a backpack for him so his short walks will challenge him
a bit more. I saw some locally for about $50 at Pet Depot, where I took him
swimming and gave him a bath, but I'm going to try rigging a bicycle pannier
bag and a dog harness I already have. The bicycle bag is just about the
right size. I'll take some videos. My pannier bag is about like this:
http://www.bikesomewhere.com/bikesom...275/1894/16176
http://inertiadesigns.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=265


Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 May 2010 00:39:41 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:


Today I got my order from www.entirelypets.com. I got two Premier collars
and matching leashes for $3.95 each, a large red GL head collar for
$15.99,
a M/L red Easy Walk harness for $17.99... I tried the head collar on him
but
he didn't much like the nose strap, and he scratched it off.

Sigh.

WARNING:If you're in the market for a new collar or leash for your
dog, you should buy it now, while you still can! If you wait until
summer, there will be none left. Schoen will have already bought them.

PS: Also keep an eye on the ones you already have, because Schoen
probably wants to give them a try too.

So many collars...so little time.

Dogman, I think you don't understand the intent of this thread. It asks
other people to talk about their own dogs. It does not mean for you to talk
about other people or their dogs. My post is an invitation for others to
talk about *their* experiences with various collars and *their* dogs'
*behavior*. Not to post ridiculous comments about someone else or their
dogs. Perhaps it was your attempt at humor? OK. Haha!

And we have yet to hear one peep from you about your own dogs. Do you
actually have any? Consider this an invitation to join this thread in the
spirit in which it was originally posted.

Paul and Muttley

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 May 2010 12:24:55 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:

Dogman, I think you don't understand the intent of this thread. It asks
other people to talk about their own dogs. It does not mean for you to
talk
about other people or their dogs.

Actually, Schoen, I can pretty much talk about anything I want to talk
about here, and I don't need anyone's permission.

And so can you.

But in case you didn't know, even after four years here, the name of
this discussion group isn't rec.pets.dogs.tell.me.all.about.your.dog.
It's a discussion group about canine BEHAVIOR (training, operant and
classical conditioning, etc.), not a gabfest for people who just want
to yap about their little Muffy.

r.p.d.misc would be the appropriate place for that, wouldn't it?

That may be, but it is an unused wasteland, along with rec.pets.dogs and
rec.pets.dogs.activities. So, like it or not, this is the "active"
newsgroup, and its use is determined by those who post here, and not by the
desires of individuals or ancient history. When I cam on board in 2006 there
were many threads that were not specifically about *trained* behavior.


It's perfectly normal (maybe even desirable) for a thread to drift at
times, to topics that are tangential to a group's intended topic, and
for people here to talk about their own dogs, but it's quite rude to
actually initiate an off-topic thread intended expressly for that
purpose.

When we voted to split the original .dogs newsgroup into the multiple
groups we have today, it was done with this very problem in mind.

I can see why some here may prefer to just gab about their dogs (and
there's nothing wrong with that!), because they probably feel like
they can't really contribute much to discussions regarding canine
behavior, training, etc. But I strongly encourage them to do that
somewhere else, e.g., r.p.d.misc, or r.p.d.activities. Not here.

That's precisely what those groups are for.

On the other hand, you (and others) can say whatever you (or they)
want here, too, and you (or they) don't need my permission either.

It's an un-moderated newsgroup.

But don't expect that you (or they) can to do that without hearing a
few choice words from me about it.

There are now many more newsgroups than active participants, and most of
them are dormant. The reason for splitting into distinct categories may have
made sense in the "good old days", where the newsgroup may have been flooded
with dozens of new threads every day, but now there are maybe one or two a
day. And many of those posts should really be in r.p.d.health. You can waste
your virtual breath by posting your "choice words", but you aren't going to
change anything.

My post is an invitation for others to
talk about *their* experiences with various collars and *their* dogs'
*behavior*.

And my post was a dig at your rather silly post (which you made
primarily to get some more attention, of course), and at anyone else
here who's always in search of "The Magical Collar That Will Make
Training My Dog Unnecessary," the very antithesis of what this
particular newsgroup is all about.

See how that works?

Your sillier posts (the ones that have nada to do with canine
behavior) serve basically as fodder for my cannons, and I want to
thank you for providing me with so many great opportunities to
ridicule you.

Keep up the good work!

As I keep repeating, I'm here to make you famous.

Muttley and I already are. And you are becoming infamous.


And we have yet to hear one peep from you about your own dogs. Do you
actually have any? Consider this an invitation to join this thread in the
spirit in which it was originally posted.

First, you already know about me about all that you're ever going to
know about me, unless I decide to tell you more.

Second, I don't need your permission to do anything.

Most of us are fairly open about ourselves and our dogs, so that we become
more "real" to each other. We need not reveal personal details, but
certainly it is appropriate to provide a brief personal bio and some
information about our dogs and their *behavior*. You may prefer to remain a
"mystery man" who may or may not have dogs or even actual experience with
training. You may give advice you get from a book, and pretend to be a "damn
good trainer".

PS: You avoided an opportunity to talk about Muttley, and maybe
actually learn something about training, when you ignored my previous
post to you, regarding the importance of demanding prompt compliance
to all commands, and in all situations, and not just on those
occasions that you think might warrant it. That was an implicit
invitation for you to actually discuss canine behavior, but, as usual,
you whiffed, preferring instead to just gab about your latest purchase
of a "Magical Collar That Will Make Training My Dog Unnecessary."

This thread is about other people and their dogs. If you want to discuss the
reasons for demanding prompt compliance to certain commands, and how to
obtain that, please put that in another thread. Especially if you feel so
strongly about it, and if you want usenet to be a valuable source of
information. On that note, when you have something important to say, you
should not mark your posts "No Archive", as all your sage advice winds up in
the bit bucket instead of being preserved in the Google archives for
eternity.

Paul and Muttley