"starcat" wrote in message
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote:

How about using a squirt bottle? The down side of that is that you'd
have to have one with you when he interacts with other dogs, but it's
so effective with my barky IG that all I have to do is pick it up.
And yes, you're right, humping is just bad dog manners regardless of
the motivation. Other dogs don't like it, which means it could result
in a fight, so it shouldn't be allowed.

That's a good idea! Or maybe a squirt gun. The squirt bottle works
really well with Shar-Pei, who are like cats when it comes to water.


I do agree that it's a good idea to stop your dog doing this but in
this type of situation where there is potential for aggression I wouldn't
use a squirty bottle.
If Remy really dislikes it, it adds tension to the situation and he could
make a negative association it with the other dog. What if the other dog
gets squirted too by mistake?
Al

On Sat, 15 May 2010 22:10:14 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

"starcat" wrote in message
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote:

How about using a squirt bottle? The down side of that is that you'd
have to have one with you when he interacts with other dogs, but it's
so effective with my barky IG that all I have to do is pick it up.
And yes, you're right, humping is just bad dog manners regardless of
the motivation. Other dogs don't like it, which means it could result
in a fight, so it shouldn't be allowed.

That's a good idea! Or maybe a squirt gun. The squirt bottle works
really well with Shar-Pei, who are like cats when it comes to water.


I do agree that it's a good idea to stop your dog doing this but in
this type of situation where there is potential for aggression I wouldn't
use a squirty bottle.
If Remy really dislikes it, it adds tension to the situation and he could
make a negative association it with the other dog. What if the other dog
gets squirted too by mistake?

I think it would be fairly easy to squirt the right dog if one is
careful. I thought about the possibility of negative associations
with this type of aversive, but the advantage is that it's quick and
easy and would get the dog's attention. Unless Remy is deathly afraid
of water or hates a squirt bottle more than anything in the world, it
shouldn't cause enough of a negative association to escalate
aggression. Or unless the dogs are already on the verge of duking it
out, and I don't think starcat would let things get that far.

I know of people who used a squirt bottle as a distraction for a dog
that was afraid of motorcycles (some eejit had driven one up a curb at
the dog) and lunged at them, and for a small dog that had been charged
by a large dog and then started lunging and barking at all dogs he
encountered. In those cases it was a quick way to distract the dogs
and get their attention so that the human could give a cue and a
reward as part of a desensitization program. That's the way I was
thinking of using the squirt bottle in Remy's case.

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2010 22:10:14 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:


What if the other dog gets squirted too by mistake?

He gets wet?

If the humping dog continues long enough, the humpee "will" get squirted.
But not with water...

Paul and Muttley

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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I know of people who used a squirt bottle as a distraction for a dog
that was afraid of motorcycles (some eejit had driven one up a curb at
the dog) and lunged at them, and for a small dog that had been charged
by a large dog and then started lunging and barking at all dogs he
encountered. In those cases it was a quick way to distract the dogs
and get their attention so that the human could give a cue and a
reward as part of a desensitization program. That's the way I was
thinking of using the squirt bottle in Remy's case.

I've had good luck with a can of compressed air, too, used in the same way.
Sometimes you just don't want water flying all over the place. Canned air
works with cats too. When my cat was young and learning what was allowed to
be scratched upon and what wasn't, I just had to reach for the can and
she'd stop doing whatever it was I wanted her to stop. Eventually the
behaviour stopped as well, and I haven't used air for a long time. But as a
harmless deterrent, it's another option.

Phyrie

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2010 21:55:31 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:


It's not actually always to do with dominance. Dominance is an over used
word.

Especially by a certain British trainer, huh, Alison?

Yes, the "dominatrix" who does not believe in dominance.

P&M

On Sat, 15 May 2010 21:55:31 +0100, "Alison"
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"Phyrie" wrote in message
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I would not allow my dog to hump other dogs, whether they are dogs in
our household or otherwise. When neutered dogs hump more or less
indiscriminately, it's usually dominance-related.

No, it's not.

It's a side effect of over-vaccination and kibble poisoning, doncha know!

Maroon. Unhelpful maroon, at that...

It's not actually always to do with dominance. Dominance is an over used
word.

Of course it isn't always related to dominance; no one said it is. I
agree that the concept of dominance is overused, but that doesn't mean
there is no such thing, or that dogs never hump to show dominance.
Some dogs hump when they get overly excited. Dogs' motivation behind
the humping behavior may differ, just as dogs' reactions to it may
vary. But the motivation is irrelevant if Tom's over-excited but
harmless Lab humps John's German Shepherd that doesn't like to be
touched, because the outcome is not likely to be pretty.

"Phyrie" wrote in message
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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I know of people who used a squirt bottle as a distraction for a dog
that was afraid of motorcycles (some eejit had driven one up a curb at
the dog) and lunged at them, and for a small dog that had been charged
by a large dog and then started lunging and barking at all dogs he
encountered. In those cases it was a quick way to distract the dogs
and get their attention so that the human could give a cue and a
reward as part of a desensitization program. That's the way I was
thinking of using the squirt bottle in Remy's case.

I've had good luck with a can of compressed air, too, used in the same
way. Sometimes you just don't want water flying all over the place.
Canned air works with cats too. When my cat was young and learning what
was allowed to be scratched upon and what wasn't, I just had to reach for
the can and she'd stop doing whatever it was I wanted her to stop.
Eventually the behaviour stopped as well, and I haven't used air for a
long time. But as a harmless deterrent, it's another option.

A seemingly innocuous deterrent may not be totally harmless. Muttley seems
to be frightened of any sort of spray, so he would run away from me if I
tried to use some Bactine spray on him. Perhaps he had been subjected to
mace or pepper spray when he was living on the streets. And compressed air
may produce sound at a higher frequency than humans can hear, and it could
be quite loud and even painful. Squirting with water might make a dog afraid
of a hose when given a bath. Beware of unintended consequences.

Maybe a whistle or horn might be better. I've even thought about recording
Cesar Millan's famous "Tsst" sound on a voice recorder IC, and connecting it
to a small bullhorn. But Cesar may have copyrighted or trademarked that
distinct sound. This is not without precedent. Search "Harley Davidson
Sound".

P&M

Paul and Muttley

On Sat, 15 May 2010 17:47:41 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Sat, 15 May 2010 17:40:58 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2010 22:10:14 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:


What if the other dog gets squirted too by mistake?

He gets wet?

If the humping dog continues long enough, the humpee "will" get squirted.
But not with water...

That's hilarious, Schoen.

I just can't understand why you don't have a wife or girlfriend.

I don't think he wants either.

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:07:44 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
wrote:

That's hilarious, Schoen.

I just can't understand why you don't have a wife or girlfriend.

I don't think he wants either.

Would it matter if he did?

I've had many girlfriends, as well as several wives. But I've never been
married. The wives I had were married to other guys.

So, been there, done that. I already have a dog; I don't need another.

P&M

On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:11:20 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:07:44 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
wrote:

That's hilarious, Schoen.

I just can't understand why you don't have a wife or girlfriend.

I don't think he wants either.

Would it matter if he did?

Having just read his latest post, I'd have to say no.