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Old June 10th 10, 04:44 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Has anybody used the relatively new dental vaccine with their dogs?
Sighthounds are known for developing plaque and my vet mentioned this
vaccine when he was here today (after telling me how many dogs need
dentals...). I was wondering whether anybody has experience with it.
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Old June 10th 10, 12:17 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Jun 9, 11:44*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Has anybody used the relatively new dental vaccine with their dogs?
Sighthounds are known for developing plaque and my vet mentioned this
vaccine when he was here today (after telling me how many dogs need
dentals...). *I was wondering whether anybody has experience with it.


I've never heard of it! It would be a lovely idea for HUMANS! I hate
the dentist!
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Old June 10th 10, 01:30 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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Has anybody used the relatively new dental vaccine with their dogs?
Sighthounds are known for developing plaque and my vet mentioned this
vaccine when he was here today (after telling me how many dogs need
dentals...). I was wondering whether anybody has experience with it.


I've not heard of this but am very interested if you find out more.
It's difficult to clean tiny dog's teeth and not all of them are keen on
chewing dental sticks.
Dibby's heart is bad and if he ever need an op such as dental cleaning ,
there is little chance he will come round from the anaestethic


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Old June 10th 10, 03:17 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:17:30 -0700 (PDT), Janet
wrote:

On Jun 9, 11:44*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Has anybody used the relatively new dental vaccine with their dogs?
Sighthounds are known for developing plaque and my vet mentioned this
vaccine when he was here today (after telling me how many dogs need
dentals...). *I was wondering whether anybody has experience with it.


I've never heard of it! It would be a lovely idea for HUMANS! I hate
the dentist!


I do too, although I really like the one I have now (he's the only
dentist who's been able to get me to come in regularly, let alone 4
times a year for cleanings). WRT the canine dental vaccine,
apparently safety has been established but it's still pretty new - 3
or 4 years old - so I don't think there is much information out yet
regarding effectiveness. My mobile vet carries it now and his price
is the same as for a distemper/parvo, so I think I'm going to have my
dogs get it after their teeth have been cleaned. Hopefully between
that and some chicken backs and the dental gel, we can keep the tartar
and plaque at bay; none of the products I've tried is effective
enough.

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Old June 10th 10, 03:19 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:30:47 +0100, "Alison"
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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Has anybody used the relatively new dental vaccine with their dogs?
Sighthounds are known for developing plaque and my vet mentioned this
vaccine when he was here today (after telling me how many dogs need
dentals...). I was wondering whether anybody has experience with it.


I've not heard of this but am very interested if you find out more.
It's difficult to clean tiny dog's teeth and not all of them are keen on
chewing dental sticks.
Dibby's heart is bad and if he ever need an op such as dental cleaning ,
there is little chance he will come round from the anaestethic


It's especially recommended for small dogs, who are prone to dental
problems, and dogs prone to periodontal disease.


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Old June 10th 10, 07:39 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:30:47 +0100, "Alison"
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It's difficult to clean tiny dog's teeth


Why?


It's hard finding tooth brushes small enough and you don't have a lot
of room to manoeuver in their mouth. I use Logic toothpaste.
I've tried the seaweed stuff you put in their food and Petzlite which is
an oral gel.


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Old June 10th 10, 09:14 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:39:47 +0100, "Suzy Q"
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Dogman, I *am* cleaning his teeth. I'm just saying its not easy.

Any pet store over here
carries toothbrushes for small dogs, and what's wrong with using a cat
toothbrush? Are you telling me that there are no cats in the UK?


He's smaller than my cat. I'll look for a guinea pig sized one.


Try that Nolvadent Solution, and use it every time you brush your

dogs' teeth, or just massage it into her gums.


That looks good. I can order that on -line. I dont know why my vet didn't
recommend that.

Besides, people who don't brush their dogs' teeth are abusive, and
cruel, and are just horrible people!

Heh.


Grin
Don't slip and fall on your toothbrush , will you. Heh


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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:26:01 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:14:05 +0100, "Suzy Q"
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"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:39:47 +0100, "Suzy Q"
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Dogman, I *am* cleaning his teeth. I'm just saying its not easy.


Of course it's easy! Digging ditches is hard. Laying brick is hard.
Fighting the Taliban is hard. Cleaning up oil spills is hard.

But brushing a dog's teeth is EASY.


Yes, it is. Unfortunately, and alas, it does not preclude the need
for dentals, at least not in my sighthound breeds. Did you watch a
vet scale teeth, or just pick it up on your own?

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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:26:01 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:14:05 +0100, "Suzy Q"
wrote:

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:39:47 +0100, "Suzy Q"
wrote:

Dogman, I *am* cleaning his teeth. I'm just saying its not easy.


Of course it's easy! Digging ditches is hard. Laying brick is hard.
Fighting the Taliban is hard. Cleaning up oil spills is hard.

But brushing a dog's teeth is EASY.


Yes, it is. Unfortunately, and alas, it does not preclude the need
for dentals, at least not in my sighthound breeds. Did you watch a
vet scale teeth, or just pick it up on your own?


I've read that scaling a dog's teeth on your own, without filling in the
exposed pits left in the enamel, as a vet would, can cause serious problems,
inviting infection into the teeth. I found it difficult to brush Kiba's
teeth, but since he's been eating raw bones, his teeth are so much improved
(at least by my eyes) it's amazing. Some folks on another group I frequent
don't want to feed raw, but have been giving their dogs chicken or turkey
necks weekly, just for the cleaning effect. Even my vet is forced to admit
Kiba's teeth look great, and only after three months.

I've bought at least three pet toothbrushes and two flavours of paste, and
although Kiba likes the taste of the paste, he sure isn't happy about me
mucking about in his mouth. He'll let me look at his teeth, but he fights
the brush. For me, giving him a bone he can munch up is easier. I don't
know about better, but right now, for me, easier is better.

Phyrie

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Old June 11th 10, 05:27 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:17:49 -0700, "Phyrie"
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But brushing a dog's teeth is EASY.


Yes, it is. Unfortunately, and alas, it does not preclude the need
for dentals, at least not in my sighthound breeds. Did you watch a
vet scale teeth, or just pick it up on your own?


I've read that scaling a dog's teeth on your own, without filling in the
exposed pits left in the enamel, as a vet would, can cause serious problems,
inviting infection into the teeth. I found it difficult to brush Kiba's
teeth, but since he's been eating raw bones, his teeth are so much improved
(at least by my eyes) it's amazing. Some folks on another group I frequent
don't want to feed raw, but have been giving their dogs chicken or turkey
necks weekly, just for the cleaning effect. Even my vet is forced to admit
Kiba's teeth look great, and only after three months.

I've bought at least three pet toothbrushes and two flavours of paste, and
although Kiba likes the taste of the paste, he sure isn't happy about me
mucking about in his mouth. He'll let me look at his teeth, but he fights
the brush. For me, giving him a bone he can munch up is easier. I don't
know about better, but right now, for me, easier is better.


I've heard that scaling your dog's teeth isn't a good idea, too, but
mostly from veterinarian-type sources. My vet said yesterday that
there are groomers around who will scale teeth, but he didn't know who
they were. I think my best bet is to have the dentals done and then
continue with the gel or paste, and also feed chicken backs about once
a week. I just can't go all raw right now, but I have a source for
chicken backs that's not far away and very reasonably priced, and I've
heard that backs are better than necks for teeth cleaning. And I am
going to try the vaccine. My Siberians had great teeth with little
effort, but greyhounds' are known for periodontal disease, and my
rescue Borzoi has lost 12 teeth and is about to lose more, so they all
need very bit of help they can get.

 




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