On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:36:37 -0400, Char wrote:

On 6/24/2010 3:10 PM, Dogman wrote:


If your dog is a prolific digger, and has been doing it for a long
time, it's going to be very hard for him to give it up without some
real punishment.

Punishment is *never* necessary, real or otherwise.

have you ever seen the act of bite inhibition by bitch(mother of
puppies) ? It is a very real punishment and sometimes quite painful to a
puppy. As people we'll never be perfect in it yet we should imitate
nature.

Sometimes it is very hard to say NO to own child, how that child grows up
sometimes differs

To get back to the real subject at hand.... The Golden that digs out.
Face up to it, gang, it is not always possible to supervise a dog in the
yard every second.... and boy, can a dog dig out quickly. Just ask my
earlier terriers.

Putting in a wire fence that goes straight down for a foot or so is fine
for some dogs, but doesn't cure fence digging for others. A foot isn't
deep enough for most terriers.... {grin} My 20 lb terriers moved cement
blocks.... and pavers.... along a fence line Think what a Golden could
move....

The L shaped wire extention will normally work nicely IF the base,
on-the-ground, leg of the L is 2-3 feet wide.... not a mere foot.
Something stronger and heavier than chicken wire is advised for a dog
this size. Peg it down with "landscape staples" (lawn and garden
shops, plastic) or v-shaped wire "pegs", flush with the ground. Once
the turf grows through the wire, the pegs/staples can disintegrate....
no problem. The sensation of hitting that wire with the nails... and
pads.... is quite unpleasant. The wire should come up at least 18
inches on the upright fencing for security. Cable ties have worked well
for my yard.... but heavier wire or the J-clips mentioned will be
closer to permanent, and can be installed a bit at a time, as the cable
ties begin to deteriorate.

Jo Wolf

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"sighthounds & siberians" wrote
Enjoy your rapidly dying group. Posts like this are exactly why it is
as it
is dying.

I'm sorry to lose the ones who cared to talk about dogs and help people
learn new things but it's just too abusive here for viability.


I will be sad if you leave this group You are one of the few people
here that I actually like.
Al

"Matt" wrote in message
...
Hi all:

I have a golden that likes to dig, and especially escape any place he's
contained in.

Follow the advice about the fencing. If your Goldie likes to dig for the
sake of it then create a special area where he is allowed to dig.
Al

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 03:42:39 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

To get back to the real subject at hand.... The Golden that digs out.
Face up to it, gang, it is not always possible to supervise a dog in the
yard every second.... and boy, can a dog dig out quickly.

True. I don't even try to supervise my dogs in the yard every second,
because it's hard to get things done inside that way, and because
I've always had breeds that enjoy hanging out in the yard for long
periods of time. I would never leave a dog outside and then leave
home, though, and if that's what the OP is doing, I'm not sure it's
possible to keep the dog from escaping.

What's worked for us is pavers along the fence line, and allowing
digging in a specified place. We have a huge hole in the yard, but
that's OK because the fenced yard is for the dogs anyway. In the
summer there are weeds growing in and around the hole and it's pretty
entertaining to watch a dog hide in the hole, then leap out and chase
another dog around the yard.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 03:42:39 -0400, Jo Wolf wrote:

To get back to the real subject at hand.... The Golden that digs out.
Face up to it, gang, it is not always possible to supervise a dog in the
yard every second.... and boy, can a dog dig out quickly. Just ask my
earlier terriers.

Putting in a wire fence that goes straight down for a foot or so is fine
for some dogs, but doesn't cure fence digging for others. A foot isn't
deep enough for most terriers.... {grin} My 20 lb terriers moved cement
blocks.... and pavers.... along a fence line Think what a Golden could
move....

The L shaped wire extention will normally work nicely IF the base,
on-the-ground, leg of the L is 2-3 feet wide.... not a mere foot.
Something stronger and heavier than chicken wire is advised for a dog
this size. Peg it down with "landscape staples" (lawn and garden
shops, plastic) or v-shaped wire "pegs", flush with the ground. Once
the turf grows through the wire, the pegs/staples can disintegrate....
no problem. The sensation of hitting that wire with the nails... and
pads.... is quite unpleasant. The wire should come up at least 18
inches on the upright fencing for security. Cable ties have worked well
for my yard.... but heavier wire or the J-clips mentioned will be
closer to permanent, and can be installed a bit at a time, as the cable
ties begin to deteriorate.

Jo Wolf

is it wise to compare goldens to terriers ?

also why do we talk talk about management technology instead of training ?

if we like to use technology then it should be combine with distraction
technics, well set motion detector that triger distracting sound and/or
water sprayer will work very well

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:49:16 +0100, Alison wrote:

"Matt" wrote in message
...
Hi all:

I have a golden that likes to dig, and especially escape any place he's
contained in.

Follow the advice about the fencing. If your Goldie likes to dig for
the
sake of it then create a special area where he is allowed to dig.
Al

then he will find similar tastes and aromas in different areas and will
dig there, shortly after your yard will look like excavation area -)

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Unknown
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 03:42:39 -0400, Jo Wolf wrote:

To get back to the real subject at hand.... The Golden that digs out.
Face up to it, gang, it is not always possible to supervise a dog in the
yard every second.... and boy, can a dog dig out quickly. Just ask my
earlier terriers.

Putting in a wire fence that goes straight down for a foot or so is fine
for some dogs, but doesn't cure fence digging for others. A foot isn't
deep enough for most terriers.... {grin} My 20 lb terriers moved cement
blocks.... and pavers.... along a fence line Think what a Golden could
move....

The L shaped wire extention will normally work nicely IF the base,
on-the-ground, leg of the L is 2-3 feet wide.... not a mere foot.
Something stronger and heavier than chicken wire is advised for a dog
this size. Peg it down with "landscape staples" (lawn and garden
shops, plastic) or v-shaped wire "pegs", flush with the ground. Once
the turf grows through the wire, the pegs/staples can disintegrate....
no problem. The sensation of hitting that wire with the nails... and
pads.... is quite unpleasant. The wire should come up at least 18
inches on the upright fencing for security. Cable ties have worked well
for my yard.... but heavier wire or the J-clips mentioned will be
closer to permanent, and can be installed a bit at a time, as the cable
ties begin to deteriorate.

Jo Wolf

is it wise to compare goldens to terriers ?

How is saying "and boy, can a dog dig out quickly. Just ask my
earlier terriers" comparing Goldens to terriers? Even if it were, I
fail to see how wisdom enters into it in this context.

also why do we talk talk about management technology instead of training ?

Well, I personally believe that the #1 reason dogs dig is because they
enjoy it. There are plenty of things that my dogs would enjoy doing
that I don't let them do for a variety of reasons. Since I think that
dogs need to be allowed to do some dog things that they enjoy doing, I
chose to designate a spot in the yard where they are welcome to dig.

if we like to use technology then it should be combine with distraction
technics, well set motion detector that triger distracting sound and/or
water sprayer will work very well

I'm sure it would.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:11:06 +0000 (UTC), Unknown
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:49:16 +0100, Alison wrote:

"Matt" wrote in message
...
Hi all:

I have a golden that likes to dig, and especially escape any place he's
contained in.

Follow the advice about the fencing. If your Goldie likes to dig for
the
sake of it then create a special area where he is allowed to dig.
Al

then he will find similar tastes and aromas in different areas and will
dig there, shortly after your yard will look like excavation area -)

Oddly enough, that's not what happened in my yard. I guess that's
where training comes in, eh?

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote
"cshenk" wrote:

Enjoy your rapidly dying group. Posts like this are exactly why it is as
it
is dying.

It's not dying any more rapidly than it had been in the past 6 months.
In fact, less so; there are always new people with questions.

Please name a new poster after me, who is still here.