Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply companies,
specifically for products like Revolution and Frontline flea and tick
treatments?

Specifically - CanaCreek?

Looking for Canadian (not American) experiences with CanaCreek or other
similar companies.

In other words - do they deliver the product they charge you for when
you order from them.

On 7/7/2010 6:21 PM, Sum Guy wrote:
Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply companies,
specifically for products like Revolution and Frontline flea and tick
treatments?

Specifically - CanaCreek?

Looking for Canadian (not American) experiences with CanaCreek or other
similar companies.

In other words - do they deliver the product they charge you for when
you order from them.

All the products you mentioned are pesticides and should not be used on
out pets. Don't wonder when your pet has seizures or gets cancer.

Char wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply
companies, specifically for products like Revolution and
Frontline flea and tick treatments?

All the products you mentioned are pesticides and should not be used
on out pets. Don't wonder when your pet has seizures or gets cancer.

It just goes to show how safe some pesticides are - they have very good
specificity at targeting insects and not mammals.

And do you know what real, debilitating pathogens are carried by fleas
and ticks?

Don't give me that garbage about how those products shouldn't be used on
pets. They are incredibly effective, and the harm that fleas and ticks
can cause to cats and dogs are very significant and real.

Have you ever treated a cat with Hemobartonella felis (Mycoplasma
Haemofelis) ?

Do you know what sort of life-long condition that results when a cat is
bitten by an infected flea that is carrying that parasite?

You bleeding heart ****ing nature asswipes. You people have no clue.

It's your ignorance tha is sickening - not these flea and tick products.

"Sum Guy" wrote in message ...
Char wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply
companies, specifically for products like Revolution and
Frontline flea and tick treatments?

All the products you mentioned are pesticides and should not be used
on out pets. Don't wonder when your pet has seizures or gets cancer.

It just goes to show how safe some pesticides are - they have very good
specificity at targeting insects and not mammals.

Can only speak from experience. Have used these products on all of the 3
Beagles we've had in the last 25 years. Our current pup is 8, the one before
was 12 and our 1st one was 15. No seizures or cancer in any of them.

"Sum Guy" wrote
Char wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply
companies, specifically for products like Revolution and
Frontline flea and tick treatments?

Sorry, didnt answer because have never mail ordered either.

All the products you mentioned are pesticides and should not be used
on out pets. Don't wonder when your pet has seizures or gets cancer.

It just goes to show how safe some pesticides are - they have very good
specificity at targeting insects and not mammals.

And do you know what real, debilitating pathogens are carried by fleas
and ticks?

Don't give me that garbage about how those products shouldn't be used on
pets. They are incredibly effective, and the harm that fleas and ticks
can cause to cats and dogs are very significant and real.

Char is good people but has a belief that such products are more harmful
than beneficial.

One good thing about the super hot summer so far is it seems to have killed
the yard fleas down better. Less need to use yard products (we use an
organic soap which is environment friendly and kid/people/pet safe).

I'm not familiar with revolution but frontline is supposed to be good. The
ones I used to get via my vet are now over the counter here in the states.

Around here, most fleas come in from outside. There are several yard things
you can use to reduce the problems in addition to the flea meds.
Diatomaceous earth does a number on them so you can add this to pet sleeping
areas and near your entrance/exits to the house. I use the organic soap
spray in the back yard every 2 weeks (pesticidal types last up to 4 weeks
but Cash doesnt take well to them).

On 7/10/2010 10:27 AM, Sum Guy wrote:
Char wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply
companies, specifically for products like Revolution and
Frontline flea and tick treatments?

All the products you mentioned are pesticides and should not be used
on out pets. Don't wonder when your pet has seizures or gets cancer.

It just goes to show how safe some pesticides are - they have very good
specificity at targeting insects and not mammals.

And do you know what real, debilitating pathogens are carried by fleas
and ticks?

Don't give me that garbage about how those products shouldn't be used on
pets. They are incredibly effective, and the harm that fleas and ticks
can cause to cats and dogs are very significant and real.

Have you ever treated a cat with Hemobartonella felis (Mycoplasma
Haemofelis) ?

Do you know what sort of life-long condition that results when a cat is
bitten by an infected flea that is carrying that parasite?

You bleeding heart ****ing nature asswipes. You people have no clue.

It's your ignorance tha is sickening - not these flea and tick products.

http://www.homevet.com/petcare/docum...leachemfin.pdf

"While the newest flea products – socalled
“spot-on” liquids that are applied
monthly to a dog’s skin – are being marketed
aggressively by the manufacturers and
veterinarians and represented as safe
alternatives to their predecessors, the fact
is, they are simply newer. All the “active”
ingredients in these spot-on preparations –
imidacloprid, fipronil, permethrin,
methoprene, and pyriproxyfen – have been
linked to serious health effects in laboratory
animals (see chart, page 20).
“The public must recognize that any decision
to use a pesticide, or to otherwise be
exposed to pesticides, is a decision made in
ignorance,” says Eliot Spitzer, Attorney
General of the New York Environmental
Protection Bureau. “We do not know the
identity of the chemicals to which we are
exposed. We cannot make informed individual
decisions on the acceptability of those
exposures, a basic element in the maintenance
and protection of our own health.”
Spitzer adds, “The requirements for marketing
a new product fall considerably short of
providing safety for our animal and human
families.”

Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA, the government
agency that oversees the pesticide industry)
requires a higher (if not high enough) standard
of scrutiny for “active” ingredients;
these must undergo a battery of tests to determine
their toxicological profiles, be registered
with the EPA, and be listed on the
product inserts and packaging. In contrast,
“inert” ingredients need not be listed on the
product inserts and packaging and are subject
to much less testing than the “active”
ingredients; “inerts” are generally tested in
short-term studies for acute toxicity only.
The word “inert” implies chemicals that
are somehow inactive. In actuality, many
“inert” ingredients used in pesticides are
as toxic, or more toxic, than the registered
“active” ingredients. For example, naphthalene,
one of the “inerts” in an imidacloprid
product, showed clear evidence of cancer
activity through inhalation (nasal cancers),
as well as anemia, liver damage, cataracts,
and skin allergies. An unidentified “inert”
ingredient in the flea product Advantage was
implicated in the death of kittens who received
doses within laboratory tolerances.

On 7/10/2010 6:19 PM, cshenk wrote:


Char is good people but has a belief that such products are more harmful
than beneficial.

And it's based on factual evidence, not belief.


One good thing about the super hot summer so far is it seems to have
killed the yard fleas down better. Less need to use yard products (we
use an organic soap which is environment friendly and kid/people/pet safe).

Nematodes are great for outside. They eat fleas.


I'm not familiar with revolution but frontline is supposed to be good.
The ones I used to get via my vet are now over the counter here in the
states.

Frontline is fipronil.
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Bod.../Fipronil.html

Fipronil has been shown to mutate proteins and to kill human liver
cells at concentrations of 0.1 nM. Using fipronil's molecular weight
= 437.15 g/mol leads to 44ppt.

That is a ~very~ low exposure. Meanwhile, the government allows fipronil
residue in foods at levels 220x to 34,000x higher.

The researchers noticed that the dose-response curve was non-monotonic.
In other words, the smallest doses were more toxic than larger ones (see
hormesis for more about this kind of toxic behavior).

Also, the researchers found that fipronil sulfone, a chemical left over
after fipronil breaks down, was more toxic than fipronil itself.

Fipronil sulfone caused cell death at lower doses.

This study found that, one day after applying FrontLine to an adult
dog, petting it for just 5 minutes while wearing gloves resulted in
exposure of 600 ppm.

Typical owners handle their pets more than 5 minutes per day.

Also, any surface the pet contacts will become contaminated, thereby
increasing exposure. Dander will also remain toxic for a period.
Children and anyone suffering an excitoxin-related illness are at higher
risk. Veterinarians and other pet care providers also have increased risk.

Fipronil is highly toxic to bees, with death resulting from 0.1 ng
exposure. Bees are a critical link in the ecosystem. Fipronil (and
imidacloprid) are implicated in Colony Collapse Disorder.


http://www.homevet.com/petcare/docum...leachemfin.pdf
It also causes Thyroid cancer (possible human carcinogen)
Increased organ weights, altered thyroid hormones
Loss of appetite, underactivity, convulsions, whining, barking, crying
(vocalization), body twitches/tremors, overactivity, salivation,
stiffened limbs,unsteady gait, incoordination, labored breathing
Reduced fertility, decreased litter size and body weights in litters,
fetus mortality, severe moist inflammation, ulcerations, skin sloughing,
chemical burn, itching, hair loss at and beyond the application site


Around here, most fleas come in from outside. There are several yard
things you can use to reduce the problems in addition to the flea meds.
Diatomaceous earth does a number on them so you can add this to pet
sleeping areas and near your entrance/exits to the house.

I use it on the carpets, sprinkling it on then brooming it in. Works great!

I use the
organic soap spray in the back yard every 2 weeks (pesticidal types last
up to 4 weeks but Cash doesnt take well to them).


This site contains hundreds of first-hand accounts about pets that
have suffered adverse reactions — including death — from pesticide
treatments.
http://www.biospotvictims.org/

At least nine class-action lawsuits are pending against makers of
topical flea and tick products in the wake of a U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) investigation into safety of the pesticides used
on dogs and cats.

One law firm in New Jersey has filed seven of the suits — one each
against Merial Ltd., and its parent companies Merck & Co., Inc. and
Sanofi-Aventis U.S., Inc., maker of Frontline; Summit VetPharm LLC and
its parent company, Sumitomo Corp. of America, maker of Vectra; The
Hartz Mountain Corp. and its parent, Sumitomo, maker of UltraGuard;
Bayer Healthcare LLC, maker of Advantage and K9 Advantix; Sergeant’s Pet
Care Products, Inc., maker of SentryPro; Farnam Companies, Inc., maker
of Bio Spot and Adams; and Wellmark International, Inc., maker of Zodiac.
http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=15414

Sum Guy wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply companies,
specifically for products like Revolution and Frontline flea and tick
treatments?

Specifically - CanaCreek?

Looking for Canadian (not American) experiences with CanaCreek or other
similar companies.

In other words - do they deliver the product they charge you for when
you order from them.

Update:

I originally asked this question because I did place an order with
CanaCreek and was wondering how long it usually takes to receive the
order.

I received my order yesterday, about 18 days after I placed the order.
From what I can tell, the Revolution and Frontline that I ordered was
shipped from Australia, and was cleared by Customs Canada and delivered
to me via Canada Post.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:54:44 -0400, Sum Guy wrote:

Sum Guy wrote:

Has anyone successfully ordered from mail order pet supply companies,
specifically for products like Revolution and Frontline flea and tick
treatments?

Specifically - CanaCreek?

Looking for Canadian (not American) experiences with CanaCreek or other
similar companies.

In other words - do they deliver the product they charge you for when
you order from them.

Update:

I originally asked this question because I did place an order with
CanaCreek and was wondering how long it usually takes to receive the
order.

I received my order yesterday, about 18 days after I placed the order.
From what I can tell, the Revolution and Frontline that I ordered was
shipped from Australia, and was cleared by Customs Canada and delivered
to me via Canada Post.

I've not ordered from CanaCreek, which is why I didn't answer your
original post. I have however ordered flea/tick products and
heartworm preventative from Australia and been happy with the
products, just FWIW.