On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:32:36 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:59:45 -0400, "cshenk" wrote:

We have problems with raccoons and bats here, and a variation of
something that hits the squirrels and makes them act rabid

It's probably distemper. Raccoons get it too.

Some of the symptoms of distemper are similar to those of rabies,
especially drooling.

Be thankful for the distemper vaccine; when I was a young boy (before
we had a vaccine for distemper), dogs used to drop like flies from it.
Whole neighborhoods of dogs. Dog owners back then feared distemper far
more than rabies, even though humans can't get it.

And with good reason. There was recently a seizure of a number of
greyhounds and other sighthounds and sighthound mixes in Texas, and
three of the dogs veered off the road to recovery and succumbed to
distemper.

On 8/23/2010 1:03 AM, Matt wrote:
said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

It's a fact that the rabies vaccination is THE LAW in every
state in this country, and in all Canadian provinces, and
in most countries in Europe.

It's not required in Alberta, though I know few who know that
and know no one who has never had their pets vaccinated against
rabies.


Well that's because Caveman's facts are only in his head. Also he
doesn't take into account as to why a rabies vaccination is a law in
many places. It was not because of a rabies outbreak. The drug companies
were behind it.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:48:26 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/23/2010 1:03 AM, Matt wrote:
said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

It's a fact that the rabies vaccination is THE LAW in every
state in this country, and in all Canadian provinces, and
in most countries in Europe.

It's not required in Alberta, though I know few who know that
and know no one who has never had their pets vaccinated against
rabies.


Well that's because Caveman's facts are only in his head.

Come to think of it, that's a pretty good place to keep them; but
every once in a while, even I need a reboot.

Also he
doesn't take into account as to why a rabies vaccination is a law in
many places. It was not because of a rabies outbreak. The drug companies
were behind it.

Not Halliburton? Not BP? Not Pasteur?

Damn.

I've been thanking the wrong people!

--
Dogman

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:59:45 -0400, "cshenk" wrote:

We have problems with raccoons and bats here, and a variation of
something that hits the squirrels and makes them act rabid

It's probably distemper. Raccoons get it too.

Some of the symptoms of distemper are similar to those of rabies,
especially drooling.

Be thankful for the distemper vaccine; when I was a young boy (before
we had a vaccine for distemper), dogs used to drop like flies from it.
Whole neighborhoods of dogs. Dog owners back then feared distemper far
more than rabies, even though humans can't get it.

--
Dogman

We received a puppy for Christmas in 1971 or '72. He came from the SPCA,
and was sick, but they thought we could nurse him back to health, so they
let my aunt (the giver of the gift) bring him home. It was horrible. It
took him two weeks to die from distemper and can make me weep to this day.
Not something I would ever wish to see another dog suffer from, ever again.
I'll take the vaccination any day, over that disease.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:28:19 -0700, "Phyrie"
wrote:

[...]
We received a puppy for Christmas in 1971 or '72. He came from the SPCA,
and was sick, but they thought we could nurse him back to health, so they
let my aunt (the giver of the gift) bring him home. It was horrible. It
took him two weeks to die from distemper and can make me weep to this day.
Not something I would ever wish to see another dog suffer from, ever again.
I'll take the vaccination any day, over that disease.

Yeah, it's pretty horrible to witness. The drooling, the staggering
around, paralysis, etc. I saw it all the time as a young boy.

Apparently Char would have us see all that again.

Sigh.

--
Dogman

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:35:06 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:28:19 -0700, "Phyrie"
wrote:

[...]
We received a puppy for Christmas in 1971 or '72. He came from the SPCA,
and was sick, but they thought we could nurse him back to health, so they
let my aunt (the giver of the gift) bring him home. It was horrible. It
took him two weeks to die from distemper and can make me weep to this day.
Not something I would ever wish to see another dog suffer from, ever again.
I'll take the vaccination any day, over that disease.

Yeah, it's pretty horrible to witness. The drooling, the staggering
around, paralysis, etc. I saw it all the time as a young boy.

Apparently Char would have us see all that again.

Why don't we bring back polio and smallpox why we're at it? Ah, the
nostalgia.

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:35:06 -0400, Dogman wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:28:19 -0700, "Phyrie"
wrote:

[...]
We received a puppy for Christmas in 1971 or '72. He came from the SPCA,
and was sick, but they thought we could nurse him back to health, so they
let my aunt (the giver of the gift) bring him home. It was horrible. It
took him two weeks to die from distemper and can make me weep to this
day.
Not something I would ever wish to see another dog suffer from, ever
again.
I'll take the vaccination any day, over that disease.

Yeah, it's pretty horrible to witness. The drooling, the staggering
around, paralysis, etc. I saw it all the time as a young boy.

Apparently Char would have us see all that again.

Why don't we bring back polio and smallpox why we're at it? Ah, the
nostalgia.

That's actually a little frightening. My SIL, back in the late 70's, was a
real hippy. She ate health food (*shudder*) and made her own wine (*grin*),
but she was against everything government (we're Canadian, fercrissake's!)
and she wouldn't immunize her daughter, who was about two at the time. She
even had her 16 year old SIL (that would be me) convinced of the "hazards"
of immunization, and I didn't have my infant daughter done either. Until
the public health nurse told me about TWO diphtheria cases over on the
mainland JUST THAT YEAR!! My daughter was promptly brought up to date with
her vaccinations!

Dogman, that pup was such a good dog, too. He was possibly as old as eight
weeks, but no more, I think. When he couldn't walk anymore, he would still
drag himself out of the little box he slept in to use the litter box we had
set down beside his bed box. It would exhaust him so much, that he would
have to rest up in the litter box, before dragging himself back to bed. I
don't know what my parents were thinking, allowing this to go on, but
perhaps the vet had convinced them he could be cured. I don't know, but I
don't think I would have let it continue, if I was the adult and had him
here like that today. I'll never forget the sad, mournful howl he let out
just before he died. It still has the power to bring tears, and give me a
chill.

On 8/14/2010 1:37 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:44:29 -0400,
wrote:

[...]
Yes, I'm aware of all that, as I've been saying here for freakin'
years, but I'm also not the kind of person who throws the baby out
with the bathwater. I.e., I vaccinate only when I think it's riskier
not to vaccinate, and I treat each dog individually, based on various
criteria. I don't go by anyone's one-size-fits-all manifesto, and
especially not some psycho bimbo's from Florida.

What a maroon.


That you have to rely on flames to make your point

I don't flame people like you to make my point, I flame you because
you deserve it, because you treat others in the same way, and because
it's fun!

It's juvenile at best. Flames don't respond to the points made.


and can't provide any
evidence to back up what you say, relying on only what you think you've
seen makes it plain you have no valid argument.

Oh, please. You can't really be this stupid, can you? The literature
is absolutely littered with studies illustrating the many benefits of
vaccinations, and they have been, probably since the development of
the small pox vaccination!

Yet you can't seem to find anything to link to and have to resort to
flames again.

Our entire society is vaccinated, for
crissakes, including nutjobs like yourself.

Actually it's not and this is the third flame now. You really are
sidestepping now (as usual). There are quite a few people either moving
away from vaccines or never did it at all.


Children as young as 5-6
years old can find the information, so I imagine that even you could
do it too, if you wanted to. But you'd rather hang out in newsgroups
and harangue people looking for help. There's a special place in hell
for people like you, Char.

You refer to hell because I won't look up information that you can't
find? LOL! One day maybe you will realize how behind you are but I doubt
it because you are afraid to look. Reality might scare you to death.


There is no situation where it is riskier not to vaccinate.

boggle

Really, I just don't know how to respond to such unfathomable
ignorance and foolishness.

There's just no there there.

And ending up with several more flames. I'm running circles around you
without flames being necessary. Please don't own dogs anymore. It's not
fair to them.


Sigh.