On 8/13/2010 3:13 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:22:24 -0400,
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 1:01 PM, Dogman wrote:

No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. Every three years is more than often enough (provided the law
allows for it) for rabies. And even less frequently than that, in
consultation with your vet ( older, weaker, sicker, etc. dogs).

Try reading the info that comes with the vaccines. The manufacturers
plain out say that they are only to be given to a healthy, young and
strong dog. If your vet ignores that they shouldn't be a vet.

Hell, try reading what *I* said again, because it apparently didn't
sink in the first time you read it, i.e., that's essentially what *I*
had said above.

Sigh.


Hey moron, there is a difference I guess you can't see. You want less
frequent vaccines on older or sick dogs when the manufacturers say not
to give them at all.

You are not God Almighty and don't get to decide anything about me and
that you tell people I'm a fanatic, a zealot or whatever it does not
change the fact that what I presented is backed up by *real* science
that doesn't rely on hearsay like you do. That you think your dogs never
had a problem with kibble shows that you don't understand just what
those problems can be. You are basically blind to recent studies and,
since you've never had a dog fed a species appropriate diet you have no
basis to decide if your kibble fed dogs are the end all and be all. Same
with vaccines. People like you actually believe that much of the
symptoms of vaccine damage are normal dog behavior.

How anyone can think that a carnivore could be in the best of health
when fed kibble is a mystery to me. Inferior ingredients are used,
ingredients that are not normally part of a dog's natural diet. Much of
it is fillers, leftovers from human foods that, before kibble, was
thrown away. This can and does include road kill, downer cattle and dead
pets. Then it is cooked at rendering plants till most of the nutrition
is gone and it has to be added back in. Feeding grains, vegetables and
other foods not designed for carnivores will not result in a healthy
animal no matter what you do to it.

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:46:30 -0400, Char
wrote:

[...]
Hell, try reading what *I* said again, because it apparently didn't
sink in the first time you read it, i.e., that's essentially what *I*
had said above.

Sigh.


Hey moron, there is a difference I guess you can't see. You want less
frequent vaccines on older or sick dogs when the manufacturers say not
to give them at all.

Hey, numb nuts! "Less frequently" for certain older or sick dogs
could (and usually does!) equal ZERO additional vaccinations. And
again, this decision should be made by the dog's owner, and the law,
in consultation with a local VETERINARIAN, not some Usenet bimbo!

You are not God Almighty and don't get to decide anything about me

Yes, I get to decide anything I want about you! That's the way it
works in a free country. And if you don't like it, you know what you
can do about it, right?

and
that you tell people I'm a fanatic, a zealot or whatever it does not
change the fact that what I presented is backed up by *real* science
that doesn't rely on hearsay like you do.

You're not a zealot, fanatic, etc., because of what you present here,
but because you think it's the only "real" science out there! You're
the proverbial one-trick pony! In other words, it's your way or the
highway! You're a lot like that other notable huckster, Al Gore, who
makes the same kind of claims about catastrophic "global warming". Yet
there are literally thousands upon thousands of other climate
scientists who think that Al Gore's "science" is basically a bunch of
malarkey, and have the facts to prove it.

That you think your dogs never
had a problem with kibble shows that you don't understand just what
those problems can be.

Look, you little pinheaded bimbo, if my dogs were any healthier,
there'd be a law against it. You want to tie every illness known to
mankind to vaccinations and/or kibble, because you're a fanatical nut
job, just like your pal Jerry "The Phony" Howe was. I'm surprised you
don't blame global warming on dog owners feeding their dogs kibble,
too! You're just nutty enough to try that.

You are basically blind to recent studies and,
since you've never had a dog fed a species appropriate diet you have no
basis to decide if your kibble fed dogs are the end all and be all. Same
with vaccines.

There are no "studies," recent or otherwise, that can diminish in any
way what my own observations and experience have shown me for over
five decades now. My dogs never, ever have allergies, they live to
ripe old ages, and they are as healthy as any dogs you'll ever find
anywhere. So you know where you can stick those "recent studies,"
right?

People like you actually believe that much of the
symptoms of vaccine damage are normal dog behavior.

Yes, I'm aware of all that, as I've been saying here for freakin'
years, but I'm also not the kind of person who throws the baby out
with the bathwater. I.e., I vaccinate only when I think it's riskier
not to vaccinate, and I treat each dog individually, based on various
criteria. I don't go by anyone's one-size-fits-all manifesto, and
especially not some psycho bimbo's from Florida.

What a maroon.

--
Dogman

Dogman wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:20 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.
She also claims that she does not vaccinate her own dog, which is
against the law.

No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. snip
As Amanda is in the UK I suspect she doesn't need to vaccinate at all
for rabies as it is no endemic there.

--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

On 8/13/2010 9:13 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:46:30 -0400,
wrote:

[...]
Hell, try reading what *I* said again, because it apparently didn't
sink in the first time you read it, i.e., that's essentially what *I*
had said above.

Sigh.


Hey moron, there is a difference I guess you can't see. You want less
frequent vaccines on older or sick dogs when the manufacturers say not
to give them at all.

Hey, numb nuts! "Less frequently" for certain older or sick dogs
could (and usually does!) equal ZERO additional vaccinations. And
again, this decision should be made by the dog's owner, and the law,
in consultation with a local VETERINARIAN, not some Usenet bimbo!

You are not God Almighty and don't get to decide anything about me

Yes, I get to decide anything I want about you! That's the way it
works in a free country. And if you don't like it, you know what you
can do about it, right?

and
that you tell people I'm a fanatic, a zealot or whatever it does not
change the fact that what I presented is backed up by *real* science
that doesn't rely on hearsay like you do.

You're not a zealot, fanatic, etc., because of what you present here,
but because you think it's the only "real" science out there! You're
the proverbial one-trick pony! In other words, it's your way or the
highway! You're a lot like that other notable huckster, Al Gore, who
makes the same kind of claims about catastrophic "global warming". Yet
there are literally thousands upon thousands of other climate
scientists who think that Al Gore's "science" is basically a bunch of
malarkey, and have the facts to prove it.

That you think your dogs never
had a problem with kibble shows that you don't understand just what
those problems can be.

Look, you little pinheaded bimbo, if my dogs were any healthier,
there'd be a law against it. You want to tie every illness known to
mankind to vaccinations and/or kibble, because you're a fanatical nut
job, just like your pal Jerry "The Phony" Howe was. I'm surprised you
don't blame global warming on dog owners feeding their dogs kibble,
too! You're just nutty enough to try that.

You are basically blind to recent studies and,
since you've never had a dog fed a species appropriate diet you have no
basis to decide if your kibble fed dogs are the end all and be all. Same
with vaccines.

There are no "studies," recent or otherwise, that can diminish in any
way what my own observations and experience have shown me for over
five decades now. My dogs never, ever have allergies, they live to
ripe old ages, and they are as healthy as any dogs you'll ever find
anywhere. So you know where you can stick those "recent studies,"
right?

People like you actually believe that much of the
symptoms of vaccine damage are normal dog behavior.

Yes, I'm aware of all that, as I've been saying here for freakin'
years, but I'm also not the kind of person who throws the baby out
with the bathwater. I.e., I vaccinate only when I think it's riskier
not to vaccinate, and I treat each dog individually, based on various
criteria. I don't go by anyone's one-size-fits-all manifesto, and
especially not some psycho bimbo's from Florida.

What a maroon.


That you have to rely on flames to make your point and can't provide any
evidence to back up what you say, relying on only what you think you've
seen makes it plain you have no valid argument. There is no situation
where it is riskier not to vaccinate. There is this thing called natural
immunity, look it up. We do not have to have vaccines to be protected
from diseases, and that includes dogs and people. Indeed, there is a lot
of proof out there that dogs get sick even with those vaccines (and
sometimes because of those vaccines), especially when it comes to parvo
and lyme disease.

Just know I'm not posting to change your tiny mind, it's to educate the
others that read here. I don't care what you think. I do care that you
think you need to give bad information to those same readers.

The studies linked to my posts here are valid and show that vaccines
cause the dog to create antibodies against it's own self, ruins DNA
which means it's passed down generations as well, and eventually kill
many dogs.

"William Clodius" wrote
Dogman wrote:
Amanda George wrote:

As Amanda is in the UK I suspect she doesn't need to vaccinate at all
for rabies as it is no endemic there.

Bill, if I have it right, Amanda is Canadian and will be bringing her pet
back home in about 3 years. That means she'll have to have all vaccinations
required by Canada for pets entering the country.

"Char" wrote

There is no situation where it is riskier not to vaccinate.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. It's a balancing act based
on the pet's health and area where they live.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:44:29 -0400, Char
wrote:

[...]
Yes, I'm aware of all that, as I've been saying here for freakin'
years, but I'm also not the kind of person who throws the baby out
with the bathwater. I.e., I vaccinate only when I think it's riskier
not to vaccinate, and I treat each dog individually, based on various
criteria. I don't go by anyone's one-size-fits-all manifesto, and
especially not some psycho bimbo's from Florida.

What a maroon.


That you have to rely on flames to make your point

I don't flame people like you to make my point, I flame you because
you deserve it, because you treat others in the same way, and because
it's fun!

and can't provide any
evidence to back up what you say, relying on only what you think you've
seen makes it plain you have no valid argument.

Oh, please. You can't really be this stupid, can you? The literature
is absolutely littered with studies illustrating the many benefits of
vaccinations, and they have been, probably since the development of
the small pox vaccination! Our entire society is vaccinated, for
crissakes, including nutjobs like yourself. Children as young as 5-6
years old can find the information, so I imagine that even you could
do it too, if you wanted to. But you'd rather hang out in newsgroups
and harangue people looking for help. There's a special place in hell
for people like you, Char.

There is no situation where it is riskier not to vaccinate.

boggle

Really, I just don't know how to respond to such unfathomable
ignorance and foolishness.

There's just no there there.

Sigh.

--
Dogman

"William Clodius" wrote in message
...
Dogman wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:20 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.
She also claims that she does not vaccinate her own dog, which is
against the law.

No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. snip
As Amanda is in the UK I suspect she doesn't need to vaccinate at all
for rabies as it is no endemic there.


I think you vaccinate puppies once for rabies when they are a puppy (at the
same time as the other vaccines puppies have) but not after that? Maybe I'm
wrong though?

--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email

"cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Amanda George" wrote
"sonofdog" wrote

She is a really fast learner and wants to please what else would be
good to teach her please?

Just about anything fun but keep it 'fun'. My 'Cash' gets bored if he
doesn't have something new daily or practice with something a bit
difficult.
LOL, today he got to help sort laundry again. He handles 'light solids',
'dark solids' 'other solids', and 'has a pattern'. Now not saying he's
perfect as in some patterns, they look solid to him and he dithers over
'other' pile (Is it a light or a dark or a between?)


It sounds like you are talking about our little girl there! lol We might
try the laundry thing with Mitzi to see if she's willing to do that too!

Too bad he's mostly colorblind! (all dogs are reduced color vision
compared to us, to the point where many think they are all color blind).


I honestly hadn't thought about it before! :-)

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay inside
until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Is that a UK thing based on the style of vaccinations? Probably not
needed but they may have some difference there that's work asking first.
IE if they give a much smaller initial vaccination than US does, and a
larger 'booster' then there could be a reason behind this.


Not sure! I'd always thought that it was the same all over the world!

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:00:47 +0100, "Amanda George"
wrote:

[...]
I think you vaccinate puppies once for rabies when they are a puppy (at the
same time as the other vaccines puppies have) but not after that? Maybe I'm
wrong though?

Yes, you're wrong.

Here's a good guideline:
http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

But it vary by state, country, etc.

--
Dogman