"sonofdog" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:08:10 +0100, Amanda George wrote:

"andal" wrote in message
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:51:48 +0100, Amanda George wrote:

Hello everyone




She is a really fast learner and wants to please (in the almost 4
weeks we've
had her she's already learnt
"stay" "sit" "come here" "say please" "say thank you" "no" and "good
girl" and she recognises her name)... other than "drop" and "give a
paw" what else would be good to teach her please?



Does she do all this commands under single/multiple distractions too ?


She does indeed!

does she do "Come" while a cat on her way ?
If so you have a reason to believe she had a previous training, and a
good one


We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay inside
until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Does she performs all the above in different environments ?


We've only tried her at home so far but I've no reason to think she
wouldn't do them elsewhere too! :-)

and you will never leave home ? I would try just for curiosity of outside
world ;-)


We will when she's had her vaccinations again! :-)

Can she do all that for anyone in family or with your close friend ?

She does it for me, my husband (Steven) and Steven's brother (Andrew)


that is excellent ! Congrats !

Mitzi is wonderful and we are so lucky to have her!

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thedalpal

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/

The Rabies Challenge Fund Charitable Trust will determine the duration
of immunity conveyed by rabies vaccines. The goal is to extend the
required interval for rabies boosters to 5 and then to 7 years. This
project depends primarily upon grassroots gifts for funding the costs of
conducting the requisite vaccine trials. Our contributions to date have
come mostly from kennel clubs and private individuals.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Ra...?v=wall&ref=ts

Indeed, giving a "booster" can undo the protection the dog already
had. Over vaccination can be much worse than none at all. It's been
proven that the rabies vaccine can cause changes in the immune system of
dogs that might lead to life-threatening immune-mediated diseases.

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies
developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:20 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.
She also claims that she does not vaccinate her own dog, which is
against the law.

No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. Every three years is more than often enough (provided the law
allows for it) for rabies. And even less frequently than that, in
consultation with your vet ( older, weaker, sicker, etc. dogs).

The following is gradually becoming the de facto standard for
vaccinations in the U.S.:

http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

Vaccination protocols are evolving in the UK, too, so you might want
to discuss the above protocol with your veterinarian.

Note: Regarding keeping your puppy inside until she has her second
series of shots? There is an extremely small risk of danger from
exposure to various pathogens during this time, and it's of paramount
importance that your puppy be exposed to all the sights, sounds, and
smells of life during this critical puppy Socialization period.

http://www.dog-obedience-training-re...alization.html

So please don't forget about proper Socialization right now. Just be
careful about it.

Good luck!


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Dogman

On 8/13/2010 1:01 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.

Everything I posted was factual evidence from studies. Too bad you'd
rather flame than open your eyes. I'm ahead of the times but not a
zealot in any way. The proof is in the pudding as they say!

It is not your place to tell anyone that my information is fanatical
when you are so clueless. Time will tell. One day in the future you will
realize (or die stupid) that feeding a carnivore grains and using
vaccines is wrong. When that day comes remember I told ya so.

On 8/13/2010 1:01 PM, Dogman wrote:


No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. Every three years is more than often enough (provided the law
allows for it) for rabies. And even less frequently than that, in
consultation with your vet ( older, weaker, sicker, etc. dogs).

Try reading the info that comes with the vaccines. The manufacturers
plain out say that they are only to be given to a healthy, young and
strong dog. If your vet ignores that they shouldn't be a vet.

Fact!

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:19:52 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 1:01 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:32:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 7:02 AM, Amanda George wrote:

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay
inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.

Everything I posted was factual evidence from studies. Too bad you'd
rather flame than open your eyes. I'm ahead of the times but not a
zealot in any way. The proof is in the pudding as they say!

It is not your place to tell anyone that my information is fanatical
when you are so clueless. Time will tell. One day in the future you will
realize (or die stupid) that feeding a carnivore grains and using
vaccines is wrong. When that day comes remember I told ya so.

Char, the FACT of the matter is that you're an anti-vaccination,
anti-kibble zealot.

Q.E.D.

There's no middle ground with you, and that's the definition of a
zealot. And no discussion is possible with people like you.

I, for example, am not anti-vaccination, but I'm definitely against
OVER vaccination, and that's what most smart people are. I was against
the OVER vaccination of our pets probably before you were born. But I
try to pursuade, where you beat people over the head with your silly,
pseudo-scientific, all-or-nothing harangues and diatribes.

I've also probably been breeding dogs since before you were born, and
they've done extremely well on high-quality kibble and just don't have
allergies, period. So once again, my own personal experience (of over
five decades of breeding dogs) already directly contradicts your
all-or-nothing position regarding kibble - so waiting for "that day to
come" sounds unnecessary.

PS: You won't have to wait to die stupid.

--
Dogman

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:22:24 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/13/2010 1:01 PM, Dogman wrote:

No, your dog doesn't require annual vaccinations, especially for
rabies. Every three years is more than often enough (provided the law
allows for it) for rabies. And even less frequently than that, in
consultation with your vet ( older, weaker, sicker, etc. dogs).

Try reading the info that comes with the vaccines. The manufacturers
plain out say that they are only to be given to a healthy, young and
strong dog. If your vet ignores that they shouldn't be a vet.

Hell, try reading what *I* said again, because it apparently didn't
sink in the first time you read it, i.e., that's essentially what *I*
had said above.

Sigh.

--
Dogman

"Amanda George" wrote
"sonofdog" wrote

She is a really fast learner and wants to please what else would be
good to teach her please?

Just about anything fun but keep it 'fun'. My 'Cash' gets bored if he
doesn't have something new daily or practice with something a bit difficult.
LOL, today he got to help sort laundry again. He handles 'light solids',
'dark solids' 'other solids', and 'has a pattern'. Now not saying he's
perfect as in some patterns, they look solid to him and he dithers over
'other' pile (Is it a light or a dark or a between?)

Too bad he's mostly colorblind! (all dogs are reduced color vision compared
to us, to the point where many think they are all color blind).

We haven't tried it with cats around yet because she's got to stay inside
until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Is that a UK thing based on the style of vaccinations? Probably not needed
but they may have some difference there that's work asking first. IE if
they give a much smaller initial vaccination than US does, and a larger
'booster' then there could be a reason behind this.

"Dogman" wrote
Char wrote:
Amanda George wrote:

inside until she's had her vaccinations again :-)

Why? They don't wear off.

[...]
Amanda, again, please understand that Char is also an anti-vaccination
zealot. As usual, she takes an honest concern about over-vaccination
and turns it into a fanatical crusade against vaccinations altogether.
She also claims that she does not vaccinate her own dog, which is
against the law.

Yeah, it's one of the spots where Char and I just disagree. Over
vaccination is just useless and can cause problems.

http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

Too bad they list only 3. Cash, due to very low health when we got him, got
several 'optional' ones for things that a healthy dog would survive fine.
These were all one time fixes until he gained weight to proper. Kinda like
elderly people might want to have a flu shot annually.

He's just on the standard stuff now.

"Dogman" wrote
Char wrote:

I've also probably been breeding dogs since before you were born, and
they've done extremely well on high-quality kibble and just don't have
allergies, period.

Cash seemed to have an allergy problem but now I suspect it was at least
partly to something other than food.

He's on Blue Wilderness kibble in the morning and generally 'raw' at night
with a little kibble. We've been unsuccessful at training him to eat bone
in meat slower unless it's a substantial ox-tail. Hubby and I agreed,
enough practicing on the pooch. With bone-in chicken not possible, regular
total raw feeding isn't either. We are still using a lot of fish and other
things with him.

Just fed them again. Cash and Daisy-cat got their true 'OMG Favorite Food!'
coagulated pig blood with side bits of 2 finger fish and some fresh pork
liver for Cash and Daisy got 1 finger fish head and 1/2 small can cat food
(grain free something or other of pork). Daisy is busy cleaning Cash's
muzzle having washed up herself as a lady should (grin). He's just sitting
there grinning as she gives him a whole 'face doo'.