For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400, Char
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.

On 8/27/2010 10:15 AM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400,
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.


That's what you think. You need to read this. Let's start with chicken
meal. It's subject to only the less stringent animal food safety
standards, May contain “4-D” animal products2:

* Diseased animals
* Animals that were Dying prior to butchering
* Animals that were Dead prior to butchering
* Disabled animals (may carry more infections)


http://www.halopets.com/chickenmeal/
Chicken meal is legally unfit for human consumption, it can be rendered.

May contain waste products2

* Restaurant waste
* Supermarket waste
* Meat processing facility waste
* Packinghouse waste
Not subject to testing for quality standards or nutrient levels, may
vary widely from batch to batch2

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:11:00 -0400, Char
wrote:

That's what you think. You need to read this.

It's been a long, long time since you told me something I didn't know.
And I think that thing ended up not being true.

Let's start with chicken
meal. It's subject to only the less stringent animal food safety
standards, May contain “4-D” animal products2:

* Diseased animals
* Animals that were Dying prior to butchering
* Animals that were Dead prior to butchering
* Disabled animals (may carry more infections)

I probably know more about 4D meat than you do, since I do greyhound
rescue, and that's one of the things greyhounds are fed on the track.

http://www.halopets.com/chickenmeal/
Chicken meal is legally unfit for human consumption, it can be rendered.

Of course it's rendered; it's chicken meal.

May contain waste products2

* Restaurant waste
* Supermarket waste
* Meat processing facility waste
* Packinghouse waste
Not subject to testing for quality standards or nutrient levels, may
vary widely from batch to batch2

I repeat: if you buy a quality dog food (which to me is a premium to
super premium food), you are not going to get restaurant waste,
supermarket waste, "waste products2", or "'4D' animal products2",
whatever those are (that's what happens when your plagiarism I mean
writing style is cut-n-paste). That's because, regardless of AAFCO's
definition of the term "chicken meal", those manufacturers don't put
that stuff in their product. There are a lot of quality dog foods
available; find one of the dog food analysis/comparison sites and look
at the highest rated foods.

On 8/27/2010 10:15 AM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400,
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.


On to fish meal. The pet food maker is only required to disclose on the
ingredient list those ingredients and preservatives that they themselves
added to the food. Some ingredients – usually fats, and some fish
products – have preservatives (usually ethoxyquin) added before they
arrive at the pet food factory. You will not see this included on the
ingredient list. Note that the use of ethoxyquin to preserve food for
humans is strenuously debated as it is thought by some to be
carcinogenic. The amount of ethoxyquin allowed in human food is a
fraction of that allowed in pet food.

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...y-dog-food.htm

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:49:55 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/27/2010 10:15 AM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400,
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.


On to fish meal. The pet food maker is only required to disclose on the
ingredient list those ingredients and preservatives that they themselves
added to the food. Some ingredients – usually fats, and some fish
products – have preservatives (usually ethoxyquin) added before they
arrive at the pet food factory. You will not see this included on the
ingredient list. Note that the use of ethoxyquin to preserve food for
humans is strenuously debated as it is thought by some to be
carcinogenic. The amount of ethoxyquin allowed in human food is a
fraction of that allowed in pet food.

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...y-dog-food.htm

This is a concern that can be alleviated by buying a quality dog food
whose manufacturer states that no ethoxyquin is added to its product
or is included in the ingredients of its product.

On 8/29/2010 8:22 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:49:55 -0400,
wrote:

On 8/27/2010 10:15 AM, sighthounds& siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400,
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.


On to fish meal. The pet food maker is only required to disclose on the
ingredient list those ingredients and preservatives that they themselves
added to the food. Some ingredients – usually fats, and some fish
products – have preservatives (usually ethoxyquin) added before they
arrive at the pet food factory. You will not see this included on the
ingredient list. Note that the use of ethoxyquin to preserve food for
humans is strenuously debated as it is thought by some to be
carcinogenic. The amount of ethoxyquin allowed in human food is a
fraction of that allowed in pet food.

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...y-dog-food.htm

This is a concern that can be alleviated by buying a quality dog food
whose manufacturer states that no ethoxyquin is added to its product
or is included in the ingredients of its product.


It can state that there is none added yet still be in there. That is
what I posted above. Does the more plain version make sense to you now?

If those "quality" dog foods were really quality they'd not be making
kibble at all. There is no such thing as a quality kibble. Feeding dogs
grains and carbs is not quality.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:07:31 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 8/29/2010 8:22 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:49:55 -0400,
wrote:

On 8/27/2010 10:15 AM, sighthounds& siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:55:44 -0400,
wrote:

For those who were still on the fence, here’s a just released video of
AAFCO’s president finally admitting, on camera, that it’s allowable
(and, in fact, fairly common practice) for rendered pets to end up in
pet food.
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2010...s-in-pet-food/

Unlike some people, I happen to like full disclosure. I certainly
never disputed that "meat and bone meal" could mean all kinds of
things, including road kill, that I don't particularly want to pay for
my dogs to eat. However, if you buy a quality dog food that lists
ingredients by protein source - for example, chicken meal, fish meal,
herring meal, even poultry meal, chicken fat, etc., that is what's
going to be in the food; it will not contain rendered pets. If you
buy inexpenisve dog food with "meat and bone meal" in the ingredients,
you're going to get what you pay for.


On to fish meal. The pet food maker is only required to disclose on the
ingredient list those ingredients and preservatives that they themselves
added to the food. Some ingredients – usually fats, and some fish
products – have preservatives (usually ethoxyquin) added before they
arrive at the pet food factory. You will not see this included on the
ingredient list. Note that the use of ethoxyquin to preserve food for
humans is strenuously debated as it is thought by some to be
carcinogenic. The amount of ethoxyquin allowed in human food is a
fraction of that allowed in pet food.

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/vie...y-dog-food.htm

This is a concern that can be alleviated by buying a quality dog food
whose manufacturer states that no ethoxyquin is added to its product
or is included in the ingredients of its product.


It can state that there is none added yet still be in there. That is
what I posted above. Does the more plain version make sense to you now?

If the manufacturer purchases meal or other ingredients that already
contain ethoxyquin, the manufacturer can state that no ethoxyquin is
added to the food. I'm well aware of that. That's why I said, "...a
quality dog food whose manufacturer states that no ethoxyquin is added
to its product or is included in the ingredients of its product."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See, I added the little carrots under the important words. Does that
help you understand what I said? Manufacturers of premium brands do
ensure that no ethoxyquin is included in the ingredients and of course
they don't add it to the food.

If those "quality" dog foods were really quality they'd not be making
kibble at all. There is no such thing as a quality kibble. Feeding dogs
grains and carbs is not quality.

That's a totally different subject. Of course, if I were you I'd try
to cloud the issue and change the subject, too. Rather than alleging
that every kibble on the market contains dead euthanized pets and
carcinogenic preservatives, which is patently untrue, why don't you
just stick to your arguments that all kibble is as nutritious as
cardboard and that feeding kibble gives dogs diseases which raw-fed
dogs never get? That makes it easier and quicker for people to peg
you as the crackpot you are.

On 8/29/2010 4:44 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:

I probably know more about 4D meat than you do, since I do greyhound
rescue, and that's one of the things greyhounds are fed on the track.



No, you probably don't.