Now that Sierra knows sit, stay, and come (among others) the goal is to
work those three in particular hard especially off leash under
distraction. I've been working with her every day both indoors and out
to reinforce those. Treats and/or praise is involved when she does well.

If she's off leash and decides to ignore she immediately goes back on
leash.

I've also been working on both dogs to be able to stop them when they
are playing and put them in either a sit or lay down. Initially the
work was just with Dakota but now we are working with Sierra as well.

The goal is to be in control no matter what they are doing, including
play, chasing squirrels, etc., which are some of the biggest
distractions we have here. Sierra has not discovered squirrels yet and
I'm hoping the work with her when she's in big time distract mode will
carry over for when she does discover squirrels, chipmunks and the like.
(And then further carry over if she ever got loose.)

Outside of working to reinforce the commands when she's in high energy
mode like playing or has something she'd rather be doing than obey me,
is there anything else I can do to ensure her success?

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:23:31 -0400, Sharon Delarose wrote:

Now that Sierra knows sit, stay, and come (among others) the goal is to
work those three in particular hard especially off leash under
distraction. I've been working with her every day both indoors and out
to reinforce those. Treats and/or praise is involved when she does
well.


basically "stay" command is not needed as your goal is to teach Sierra
that "sit" means to drop the rear to ground and keep it that way until
released (remain seated). Same applies to "down" and "stand"commands.

Sharon, please check this site:

http://www.clickertraining.com/

get the book: "Clicker Training for Obedience" by Morgan Spector

you'll love to do those things
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:23:31 -0400, Sharon Delarose
wrote:

Now that Sierra knows sit, stay, and come (among others) the goal is to
work those three in particular hard especially off leash under
distraction.

None of this (at this time) should be done off-leash. And as a puppy,
she's not ready for distractions yet. Until she's rock-solid on
leash, in your house, don't add any distractions.

And keep repeating to yourself that she's just a puppy.

I've been working with her every day both indoors and out
to reinforce those. Treats and/or praise is involved when she does well.

I'll ask you one more time.

What is involved when she doesn't do well?

If she's off leash and decides to ignore she immediately goes back on
leash.

What does that teach her, exactly?

[...]
Outside of working to reinforce the commands when she's in high energy
mode like playing

Why would you expect a barely 4 month old puppy to obey commands in
"high energy mode"?

Really, Sharon, you need to begin anew, and with a PLAN in hand.

There are literally hundreds of dog training plans, methods, etc. that
work. Pick one, and then stick to it. Yes, to the letter. What you
should teach first, second, third, etc. And stop abusing your puppy.

Please?

--
Dogman

andal wrote:
basically "stay" command is not needed as your goal is to teach Sierra
that "sit" means to drop the rear to ground and keep it that way until
released (remain seated). Same applies to "down" and "stand"commands.

Teaching "stay" as distinct from a positional makes the moving stand a
whole lot easier.

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:21:02 +0000, amesnatlzoo wrote:

andal wrote:
basically "stay" command is not needed as your goal is to teach Sierra
that "sit" means to drop the rear to ground and keep it that way until
released (remain seated). Same applies to "down" and "stand"commands.

Teaching "stay" as distinct from a positional makes the moving stand a
whole lot easier.

the talk was about dogs in Sharon's stories where everything is distinct,
including the author ;-) btw, they are not moving from theirs 1 acre of
heaven, are they ?

In article , andal
wrote:

basically "stay" command is not needed as your goal is to teach Sierra
that "sit" means to drop the rear to ground and keep it that way until
released (remain seated). Same applies to "down" and "stand"commands.

Okay, here's a trick question. If "sit" means "sit/stay" and "lay down"
means "lay down/stay" then what's the purpose of just plain "stay"? Why
would the command even exist?

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In article ,
amesnatlzoo wrote:

Teaching "stay" as distinct from a positional makes the moving stand a
whole lot easier.

Okay, you just answered my question from another post. Sounds more like
a show dog command than a companion dog command. I cannot think of a
time where I would have wanted my dog to stand here, then there, until I
said otherwise when sit or lay down or go away would work just as well.

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:21:02 +0000 (UTC), amesnatlzoo
wrote:

andal wrote:
basically "stay" command is not needed as your goal is to teach Sierra
that "sit" means to drop the rear to ground and keep it that way until
released (remain seated). Same applies to "down" and "stand"commands.

Teaching "stay" as distinct from a positional makes the moving stand a
whole lot easier.

Yeah, I don't agree with andal at all. "Stay" can be used in an
emergency (or non-emergency) when the dog is in motion and you want
him to stop in his tracks and stay stopped.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 22:19:00 -0400, Sharon Delarose
wrote:

In article ,
amesnatlzoo wrote:

Teaching "stay" as distinct from a positional makes the moving stand a
whole lot easier.

Okay, you just answered my question from another post. Sounds more like
a show dog command than a companion dog command. I cannot think of a
time where I would have wanted my dog to stand here, then there, until I
said otherwise when sit or lay down or go away would work just as well.

It's not a show dog command. People in the show ring aren't
constantly commanding their dogs to stay; the dogs know to stay in the
stacked position. The command "stay" is a great safety feature if
your dog is in motion and you need him to stop in his tracks and stay
right where he is.

Sharon Delarose said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

If "sit" means "sit/stay" and "lay down"
means "lay down/stay" then what's the purpose of just plain
"stay"? Why would the command even exist?

"Stay" means to stay in whatever position I've put you in.
That's my stay with my dogs. Though I use "wait" only because
"stay" meant release on heel to Rocky.

Sometimes I want my dog in a down before a release, sometimes I
don't. "Sit" still means sit and stay. "Down" still means down
and stay. "Wait" means that I can later release when I'm a
distance.

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