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"Dogman" wrote in message
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Yes, it is sad, but I agree with some of the comments that this would not
have happened if some precautions had been taken. The dog did not have a tag
or a microchip, and the yard was not secure enough to keep her from
escaping. However, I'm sure the dog's owner feels bad enough and the
harshness of some of the comments were uncalled for and overly judgmental.

Paul and Muttley
http://www.muttleydog.com

"P E Schoen" wrote in message ...

"Dogman" wrote in message
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Yes, it is sad, but I agree with some of the comments that this would not
have happened if some precautions had been taken. The dog did not have a
tag or a microchip, and the yard was not secure enough to keep her from
escaping. However, I'm sure the dog's owner feels bad enough and the
harshness of some of the comments were uncalled for and overly judgmental.

Oh, please, your dog has escaped innumerable times from his "not secure
enough" yard. The only reason Muttley isn't dead due to your negligence is
that he's incredibly lucky. Get back to CM's place, where they lick your
ass to your heart's content. We don't need your crap here, never did, and
sure as hell don't now. You commenting on the painful loss this hero
suffered with the death of his dog sullies the very memory of this brave
animal. You need to slither back under your rock now.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:02:17 -0500, Dogman wrote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-shelter.html

Wow. Admittedly I'm not quite my normal self right now, but that
story just destroyed my day.

If AZ shelters really have only 24 hours, as one person commented,
they need to change their laws. Ohio is one of the worst states when
it comes to protecting animals, and even we allow 3 days for an owner
to reclaim a dog. Cats, of course, have no protection whatsoever,
which is why they should be kept inside where they're safe.

Euthanasia of unwanted animals is a necessary reality in most parts of
the US. It would seem to go without saying that the utmost care must
be taken in deciding what animals are euthanized, and that the animals
slated for euthanasia are the ones actually euthanized.

Sometimes, people suck.

In article ,
"P E Schoen" wrote:

Yes, it is sad, but I agree with some of the comments that this would not
have happened if some precautions had been taken. The dog did not have a tag
or a microchip, and the yard was not secure enough to keep her from
escaping. However, I'm sure the dog's owner feels bad enough and the
harshness of some of the comments were uncalled for and overly judgmental.

Paul and Muttley

That the dog was so quickly put down should be a lesson to all of us. A
very scary lesson. I, too, thought that there was a longer time frame
for shelters to keep the dogs. Wow.

One could get in a long discussion about how to prevent this, but even
with precautions it can still happen. As I learned in a recent thread,
even a microchip is no guarantee that the dog would have been
identified. It may increase the odds but doesn't guarantee.

Another thing that could be done besides calling all shelters and
leaving messages is to tape a missing dog flyer on the entrances to the
shelters so that the staff would see the flyers and be on the lookout.
If just one staffer would walk the flyer thru the shelter... (presuming
the shelter was closed and the owner couldn't gain access then the flyer
would be there the moment a staffer arrived.)

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"Phyrie" wrote:

Oh, please, your dog has escaped innumerable times from his "not secure
enough" yard. The only reason Muttley isn't dead due to your negligence is
that he's incredibly lucky. Get back to CM's place, where they lick your
ass to your heart's content. We don't need your crap here, never did, and
sure as hell don't now. You commenting on the painful loss this hero
suffered with the death of his dog sullies the very memory of this brave
animal. You need to slither back under your rock now.

Responding to a message directed at Paul:

I do not understand why anyone feels that it is necessary to attack a
person here, rather than a post. If you disagree with something said,
then argue the points of what was said.

Why do so many in this forum find it necessary to attack the posters?
Yes, I know there is a history but really, if you do not like someone,
killfile them. That is what people do when meeting one another "live",
they do NOT spew every opinion they have about a person out loud. They
either avoid the person (killfile) or they simply ignore.

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:57:45 -0500, Sharon Delarose
wrote:

Responding to a message directed at Paul:

I do not understand why anyone feels that it is necessary to play
Hall Monitor all the time, but I just can't help myself.

Once a Hall Monitor, always a Hall Monitor.



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How long a dog is kept in a city or county shelter is normally a local
decision. Many have one period of time for strays and another for owner
surrenders..... the latter being shorter and sometimes Immediate. Most
shelter managers Try to hold the really nice dogs and puppies beyond the
official kill date, but that's not always possible. They contact rescue
groups and BEG for help in saving dogs, cats, and other critters, as a
rule.

A friend who is an Animal Control manager was looking for homes for a
nasty donkey, and a sweet old horse, not long ago, and one of my rescue
volunteers in Texas is also a volunteer with the local SPCA which
currently has an inventory of over 200 horses that owners have turned in
due to lack of money, and crowded with dogs and cats.

Some government operated shelters recieve NO city/county money for
animal feed, let alone vet care. Many still use carbon monoxide
chambers for euthanasia, and a very few still use Smith & Wesson.
Shelter facilities can be pretty ramshackle places..... plus poorly
operated.... but usually for things outside of management's control,
like understaffing, rapid turnover of personnel, non-existant training,
poor working conditions, and acute depression among staff. Don't talk
to me about no-kill in city-county shelters..... Let's shoot for the
basics; food, water, clean shelter. Maybe even shots and heartworm
testing and low cost neuter-spay for the adoptable ones.

The shelters in my area all have 8 foot chain link fences around them to
keep the thieves out, or at least slow them down. You'd be amazed at
the lengths some jerks will go to get a free Pit Bull type. As our
shelters have been replaced, they are extremely secure in design, out of
necessity. But they are not luxury quarters.

The best thing to do when a pet is lost is to GO TO the shelters and
eyeball that species. Regularly (every 2 days) and repeatedly for a
Minimum of 2-3 weeks. A few years ago, when one of my dogs escaped the
morning after a neighborhood kid pulled a plank off the fence while I
was on duty for evening shift, the shelter was extremely crowded; they
didn't have time to go out to kennels and play match-the-photo. They
didn't take the time to scan. When volunteers posted photos, my
primarily brown dog was listed as brown and white terrier mix; he was
brown and black and a purebred, show quality Border Terrier, with a
chip.... but by then, I'd been there and had him safely home. Fliers
(with your cell phone number) belong in neighborhoods and can be put up
by anyone with the time (hire a kid or two). Take fliers to the
schools; the animal may have moved in with someone they know. But don't
expect shelter staff to play match-the-photo.

But if you've never worked in or closely with a city-county shelter or a
Big animal welfare organization shelter, don't play the blame game.
Help them get the tools they need to do a better job. As an
acquaintance of mine writes in her sig; "If you breed, rescue. If you
don't breed, rescue anyway." Part of rescuing is working to improve the
entire animal welfare system.... not gritching and posturing about it on
a news group. Help with transports, donate food and other supplies,
donate money, foster a pet now and then, volunteer for animal care and
as a dog-walker, take photos and post to petfinder for a shelter. (My
second mixed breed rescue bitch died of cancer this weekend.... She
gave me the best she could for over 8 years.... and a lot of laughs.)

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

"Dogman" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:57:45 -0500, Sharon Delarose
wrote:

Responding to a message directed at Paul:

I do not understand why anyone feels that it is necessary to play
Hall Monitor all the time, but I just can't help myself.

Once a Hall Monitor, always a Hall Monitor.

Much better to be a hall monitor and respond appropriately to hateful
personal attacks, than to propogate negativity. I will take the high road
and refuse to respond to Phyrie's latest spew of venom. It obviously
indicates low self-esteem and mental illness. Such posts are also against
the newsgroup guidelines as well as standard netiquette.

This newsgroup is dedicated to canine behavior and our efforts to understand
it and help dogs by providing proper training, environment, and behavior
modification. Phyrie's comments do nothing positive. As old as she is, one
would think she would show some maturity.

Dogman's quip? Well, that's just his harmless little jab with his own
posting personality.

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com

"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
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[snip]
But if you've never worked in or closely with a city-county shelter or a
Big animal welfare organization shelter, don't play the blame game.
Help them get the tools they need to do a better job. As an
acquaintance of mine writes in her sig; "If you breed, rescue. If you
don't breed, rescue anyway." Part of rescuing is working to improve the
entire animal welfare system.... not gritching and posturing about it on
a news group. Help with transports, donate food and other supplies,
donate money, foster a pet now and then, volunteer for animal care and
as a dog-walker, take photos and post to petfinder for a shelter. (My
second mixed breed rescue bitch died of cancer this weekend.... She
gave me the best she could for over 8 years.... and a lot of laughs.)

I'm sorry for your loss, but happy for the fact you rescued her and provided
many years of life, for which you were rewarded by her antics. I have done
my part by rescuing Muttley and Lucky, and assisting with other life/death
rescues. And I support the ASPCA and the local Humane Societies.

The incident that Dogman presented here was tragic, and the outcome was the
result of several mistakes. It is not very constructive to blame those
responsible with harsh, judgmental comments, as I am sure they are
distressed enough as it is. Those who work every day in shelters and Animal
Control are constantly stressed and often burn out because of the tough
decisions they must make. I'm sure the technician who mistakenly euthanized
this dog is as devastated as the owners, and the only constructive path is
one which may educate them and others to take action to reduce the
likelihood of this sort of thing happening again.

Thank you for your noble efforts to reduce pain, suffering, and euthanasia
for many neglected, abused, abandoned, and lost animals.

Paul and Muttley
www.muttleydog.com