I live across the street from a park. The general area is home to a
number of large black crows; lately I have noticed several dead ones
in the park, a new one every cople of days.

Then the other day I noticed a lady walking her two dogs off-leash in
the park. She caught my attention because she was screaming at her
dogs; turns out they had caught one of the crows and were playing with
it, much as a cat would play with a mouse. As she ran towards them,
the woman screamed and screamed at the dogs to stop, but they ignored
her. As she reached them, she attached a leash to one of the dogs'
collars and started dragging it away, leaving the other dog to
continue tormenting the crow. The woman dragged the first dog out of
the park and out of sight, presumably back to her home. She returned
about 5 minutes later in her car and retrieved the other dog, who was
still having fun with the crow. As she was dragging the dogs away she
would pause periodically to beat them and shout at them.

A couple of days later, this woman was back again. Again her two dogs
were off-leash, and again they caught a crow and were harrassing it.
Again she ran across the park, re-attached the leashes, beat the dogs,
and dragged them away, but this time she didn't leave the park right
away. After a few minutes the dogs were back off their leashes and
running around freely once more.

Clearly this bimbo is the cause of the dead crows (I don't blame the
dogs - they are just doing what comes naturally). Now, I have no
particular love for crows - they are more of a nuisance than anything
else - but still it doesn't seem right that thus idiot should let her
dogs run around out of control killing birds every day.

As an aside, I also noticed that when people are walking nearby, often
these dogs will run towards the people, barking loudly, and jump up on
the people, until the woman manages to call them off. It is painfully
obvious that these dogs are not trained well enough to be running
around off-leash in a public park.

My questions: Is there anything that can be done about this? Is this
woman violating any laws? Would the cops do anything if I called them?

What would you do?

Piper Evans wrote:
I live across the street from a park. The general area is home to a
number of large black crows; lately I have noticed several dead ones
in the park, a new one every cople of days.

Then the other day I noticed a lady walking her two dogs off-leash in
the park. She caught my attention because she was screaming at her
dogs; turns out they had caught one of the crows and were playing with
it, much as a cat would play with a mouse. As she ran towards them,
the woman screamed and screamed at the dogs to stop, but they ignored
her. As she reached them, she attached a leash to one of the dogs'
collars and started dragging it away, leaving the other dog to
continue tormenting the crow. The woman dragged the first dog out of
the park and out of sight, presumably back to her home. She returned
about 5 minutes later in her car and retrieved the other dog, who was
still having fun with the crow. As she was dragging the dogs away she
would pause periodically to beat them and shout at them.

A couple of days later, this woman was back again. Again her two dogs
were off-leash, and again they caught a crow and were harrassing it.
Again she ran across the park, re-attached the leashes, beat the dogs,
and dragged them away, but this time she didn't leave the park right
away. After a few minutes the dogs were back off their leashes and
running around freely once more.

Clearly this bimbo is the cause of the dead crows (I don't blame the
dogs - they are just doing what comes naturally). Now, I have no
particular love for crows - they are more of a nuisance than anything
else - but still it doesn't seem right that thus idiot should let her
dogs run around out of control killing birds every day.

As an aside, I also noticed that when people are walking nearby, often
these dogs will run towards the people, barking loudly, and jump up on
the people, until the woman manages to call them off. It is painfully
obvious that these dogs are not trained well enough to be running
around off-leash in a public park.

My questions: Is there anything that can be done about this? Is this
woman violating any laws? Would the cops do anything if I called them?

What would you do?

It would all depend on your specifically local ordinances.
Call your local municipal animal control office. If you can't
identify one, contact a local humane society or animal shelter.
They probably would not be able to help directly but would be
able point you to the appropriate agency.

On May 25, 7:16*am, Richard Owlett wrote:
Piper Evans wrote:
I live across the street from a park. The general area is home to a
number of large black crows; lately I have noticed several dead ones
in the park, a new one every cople of days.

Then the other day I noticed a lady walking her two dogs off-leash in
the park. *She caught my attention because she was screaming at her
dogs; turns out they had caught one of the crows and were playing with
it, much as a cat would play with a mouse. As she ran towards them,
the woman screamed and screamed at the dogs to stop, but they ignored
her. As she reached them, she attached a leash to one of the dogs'
collars and started dragging it away, leaving the other dog to
continue tormenting the crow. The woman dragged the first dog out of
the park and out of sight, presumably back to her home. She returned
about 5 minutes later in her car and retrieved the other dog, who was
still having fun with the crow. As she was dragging the dogs away she
would pause periodically to beat them and shout at them.

A couple of days later, this woman was back again. Again her two dogs
were off-leash, and again they caught a crow and were harrassing it.
Again she ran across the park, re-attached the leashes, beat the dogs,
and dragged them away, but this time she didn't leave the park right
away. After a few minutes the dogs were back off their leashes and
running around freely once more.

Clearly this bimbo is the cause of the dead crows (I don't blame the
dogs - they are just doing what comes naturally). Now, I have no
particular love for crows - they are more of a nuisance than anything
else - but still it doesn't seem right that thus idiot should let her
dogs run around out of control killing birds every day.

As an aside, I also noticed that when people are walking nearby, often
these dogs will run towards the people, barking loudly, and jump up on
the people, until the woman manages to call them off. It is painfully
obvious that these dogs are not trained well enough to be running
around off-leash in a public park.

My questions: Is there anything that can be done about this? Is this
woman violating any laws? Would the cops do anything if I called them?

What would you do?

It would all depend on your specifically local ordinances.
Call your local municipal animal control office. If you can't
identify one, contact a local humane society or animal shelter.
They probably would not be able to help directly but would be
able point you to the appropriate agency.

I'm sorry but there seems to be something odd about this story. Crows
are pretty savvy creatures. I can't imagine one being caught by a cat
much less a dog. And if somehow a dog did manage to catch one, crows
watch and learn. I very much doubt that the same dog in the same area
with the same crow family would get a chance at another crow. It has
been shown that they can recognize people and they do remember. Maybe
something else is killing the crows and the dogs are just catching
sick or dying birds.

On 5/25/2011 6:58 AM, maryann wrote:

I'm sorry but there seems to be something odd about this story. Crows
are pretty savvy creatures. I can't imagine one being caught by a cat
much less a dog. And if somehow a dog did manage to catch one, crows
watch and learn. I very much doubt that the same dog in the same area
with the same crow family would get a chance at another crow. It has
been shown that they can recognize people and they do remember. Maybe
something else is killing the crows and the dogs are just catching
sick or dying birds.

There used to be places where a city or county truck would drive up and
a guy would get out, stick a double-barreled shotgun into a tree full of
crows, unload it and get back in his truck and drive off leaving dead
crows on the ground for the property owner to clean up. I have never
witnessed this sort of things but in pre-Internet days the stories got
around.

Anyway, it occurred to me that maybe they were using poison instead of a
shot gun.

I've never figured out why, there are people who hate crows.

Nice catch, Maryann.

If you don't report it, nothing gets done.... Usually this type of case
is handled by animal control/animal care services belonging to the city
or county. You might report it and tell them the place (area of the
park) and approximate time of day, so they can have an officer there,
out of sight, or nearby, since it is happening again and again. A cell
phone call can report it when it's happening. Um-m-m-m..... photos with
time/date on them or videos are useful!!!!!!

Yes, the law being broken is that the dogs are off leash..... Darn few
cities and towns these days do not have a leash law. There is a second
law Possibly being broken, and that's this fool woman beating her dogs.
Where there are dog parks, dogs may be off leash inside those areas, but
there are still behavior rules posted.

The killing of the crows is directly related to the dogs being off
leash.... regardless of why and how the crows manage to be caught by the
dogs. This killing may or may not be against the law.

My dogs are very good at catching birds in my yard that are slow to take
off and clear the ground. As I have terriers, the birds are mercifully
killed very fast, not mauled first. Not that I don't try to prevent
this.... but it is a case of survival of the fittest....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

In article ,
"Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr." wrote:

There used to be places where a city or county truck would drive up and
a guy would get out, stick a double-barreled shotgun into a tree full of
crows, unload it and get back in his truck and drive off leaving dead
crows on the ground for the property owner to clean up. I have never
witnessed this sort of things but in pre-Internet days the stories got
around.

Anyway, it occurred to me that maybe they were using poison instead of a
shot gun.

I've never figured out why, there are people who hate crows.


I wish they would start doing that with starlings. We have a horrible
overpopulation of them here, and as a non-native species are making
trouble for a number of birds. Purple martin, western blue bird, and
many others are in trouble with available nesting cavities having been
taken over by starlings.

The starlings are also wrecking havoc on some of the fruit crops. Last
fall I saw a column of them about 100 feet wide, 100 feet tall, and 1/2
a mile long flying between two of the Willamette Valley vinyards.

At least crows are native.

If I remember right, crows are particularly susceptible to west nile
virus. It might be worth having the local disease control office take a
look at the crow corpses to see if they are dying from something that
can be spread to humans.

If it were me I'd probably tell the lady that there were a lot of dead
crows in the park, and she shouldn't let her dogs touch them as they
might get whatever killed the crows. That this is extremely unlikely to
happen would probably be lost on her.

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On Wed, 25 May 2011 04:58:58 -0700 (PDT), in rec.pets.dogs.misc
maryann wrote:

I'm sorry but there seems to be something odd about this story.

The whole situation is odd.

Crows
are pretty savvy creatures. I can't imagine one being caught by a cat
much less a dog. And if somehow a dog did manage to catch one, crows
watch and learn. I very much doubt that the same dog in the same area
with the same crow family would get a chance at another crow. It has
been shown that they can recognize people and they do remember. Maybe
something else is killing the crows and the dogs are just catching
sick or dying birds.

That certainly seems to be the case.

Now when those dogs come into the park, you can hear the crows going
crazy "caw"ing from the treetops. It took a couple of deaths, but they
did learn their lesson and now stay far away.

Thanks to all for the suggestions, I'll keep them in mind in case of
any further trouble.

Thanks for the follow-up!!!!!!!!!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

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