On 7/10/2011 7:33 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial meningitis,
etc.

Not if they used colloidal silver.


snipped crap

On 7/11/2011 3:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
Dogman wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial meningitis,
etc.

Some people are utterly unable to differentiate between: 1) antibiotic
ABUSE, 2) using antibiotics wisely. And you're one of them, Char.
True.

We tried everything else for several months. Day 3, very obviously
getting better. No signs of any problems from the meds at all. She's
on relatively low doses due to her size. If this doesnt kick it, they
can almost double them for another 2 weeks after this set if they need
to.

Query, have you or any others here had this psuedomonous

It's spelled /Pseudomonas.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloi...tudytexas.html

/This study documents the results of a quality colloidal silver product
tested against a wide range of illness-causing pathogens. The study
proves that colloidal silver is effective as an antibacterial agent
against Staph, Candidas, Salmonella and Psuedomonas in laboratory
studies ( in-vitro ).

or
enterococcus to deal with?

http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloi...tudytexas.html

"*Microbes tested*: Staphylococcus epidermidis, Staphylococcus aureus
and Enterococcus faecalis.
*Results*: Reduction of population counts from 10 million to
undetectable in four minutes of exposure"


My vet says it's not that common around
here and very hard to fix. Specifically, it wont be fixed with any
standard ear cleaning solutions unlike yeast can be.

"Laboratory tests have shown CS to kill over 650 destructive bacteria,
viruses and fungi within minutes of contact."

http://www.silverpuppy.com/drclarknews.html


Tell me again how CS doesn't work when I have studies that show otherwise.

Char

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:27:40 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 7:33 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial meningitis,
etc.

Not if they used colloidal silver.

Why anyone would ever be tempted to use CS, which has never been
scientifically proven to cure or prevent anything, over antibiotics,
which has actually been scientifically proven to work, is simply
beyond my comprehension -- but I would fight to the death to protect
your right to do stupid ****!

--
Dogman

On 7/15/2011 11:55 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:27:40 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 7:33 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial meningitis,
etc.
Not if they used colloidal silver.
Why anyone would ever be tempted to use CS, which has never been
scientifically proven to cure or prevent anything,

Because its been scientifically proven to cure many things (more than
650) including the two things this dog has. Did you miss that post?


http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloi...tudytexas.html

This study documents the results of a quality colloidal silver product
tested against a wide range of illness-causing pathogens. The study
proves that colloidal silver is effective as an antibacterial agent
against Staph, Candidas, Salmonella and **Psuedomonas** in laboratory
studies ( in-vitro ).

Yeah, that said laboratory studies. Real ones, not uninformed opinions
from people who know nothing about cs, antibiotics, and anything related.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/colloi...tudytexas.html

"*Microbes tested*: Staphylococcus epidermidis, Staphylococcus aureus
and Enterococcus faecalis.
*Results*: Reduction of population counts from 10 million to
undetectable in four minutes of exposure"

Yeah, it said it took 4 minutes to kill it. Comprende scientific studies?

over antibiotics,
which has actually been scientifically proven to work,

Proven to work on just a few things and there are so many varieties you
have to take time to run cultures to figure out which is the right one
to use. Plus, as she mentioned, the side effects are much worse than
with cs.

is simply
beyond my comprehension -- but I would fight to the death to protect
your right to do stupid ****!

Obviously there is a lot beyond your comprehension. Your mind is so
slammed shut you will harm your dogs rather than look at scientific
evidence that shows you are wrong. Poor dogs!

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:42:52 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 7/15/2011 11:55 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:27:40 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 7:33 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial meningitis,
etc.
Not if they used colloidal silver.
Why anyone would ever be tempted to use CS, which has never been
scientifically proven to cure or prevent anything,

Because its been scientifically proven to cure...

NADA. ZIP. ZERO. ZILCH.

( in-vitro ).

You do know what "in-vitro" means, right? It means "in glass."

In a freakin' petry dish! NOT in a human (or animal) body.

If it worked in a human (or animal) body, there would be actual
scientific studies to peruse (and they'd be easy to find!), but there
are ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH of such studies in the scientific,
peer-reviewed literature.

ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

[...]
over antibiotics,
which has actually been scientifically proven to work,

Proven to work on just a few things

....that have saved the lives of MILLIONS of human beings, dogs, etc.

On the other hand, CS has never been scientifically proven to have
saved the life of anything.

ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

is simply
beyond my comprehension -- but I would fight to the death to protect
your right to do stupid ****!

Obviously there is a lot beyond your comprehension. Your mind is so
slammed shut you will harm your dogs rather than look at scientific
evidence that shows you are wrong. Poor dogs!

That web site you keep linking to is the equivilent of a Sham-Wow
commercial, minus the unintential humor. https://www.shamwow.com/

Proving, unfortunately, that you are still unable to comprehend what
it is that constitutes "scientific evidence."

Tsk tsk tsk.



--
Dogman

Char wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On 7/10/2011 6:06 PM, cshenk wrote:
Char wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Wish her luck! The aulde bitch has been through plenty and
deserves to have ears that don't itch and hurt!

And you could have done it with absolutely no side effects and no
harm to the dog at all. Chronic issues come from resistance to
antibiotics which can't happen with colloidal silver. There would
be no MRSA if antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
Char, this is not MRSA and colloidal silver would not come even
faintly close to treating this.

Ms Misinformed, yes indeed it would have treated it.

I'll go with the Vet instead, thanks.

Colloidal silver wont touch this stuff.

Just once, admit you talk out your ass and don't have a clue.

Try, you have little respect for vets and tend to be dangerous in
advice unlike all others who even if they do recommend, say 'check with
your vet to verify' right up front.

Unlike you, I adopt/foster pets with medical needs. 1978- current with
cats, 2007-current with dogs.

I am however glad to report that after 2 days, she is showing
definate signs of healing and there are no side effects. I was a
little worried she might have lose stools which at her age is
something you have to react to fast, but she hasnt.

I am delighted to say, her ears although not perfect yet, are showing
only 5% of the earlier infection. They have definately stopped the
slow bits of bleeding.


--

Dogman wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:42:52 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 7/15/2011 11:55 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:27:40 -0400,
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 7:33 PM, Dogman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:12:55 -0400,
wrote:

There would be no MRSA if
antibiotics weren't used in the first place.
But millions more human beings would now be dead/dying from
tuberculosis, typhoid fever, bubonic plague, bacterial
meningitis, etc.
Not if they used colloidal silver.
Why anyone would ever be tempted to use CS, which has never been
scientifically proven to cure or prevent anything,

Because its been scientifically proven to cure...

NADA. ZIP. ZERO. ZILCH.

( in-vitro ).

You do know what "in-vitro" means, right? It means "in glass."

In a freakin' petry dish! NOT in a human (or animal) body.

If it worked in a human (or animal) body, there would be actual
scientific studies to peruse (and they'd be easy to find!), but there
are ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH of such studies in the scientific,
peer-reviewed literature.

ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

[...]
over antibiotics,
which has actually been scientifically proven to work,

Proven to work on just a few things

...that have saved the lives of MILLIONS of human beings, dogs, etc.

On the other hand, CS has never been scientifically proven to have
saved the life of anything.

ZIP, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH.

is simply
beyond my comprehension -- but I would fight to the death to
protect your right to do stupid ****!

Obviously there is a lot beyond your comprehension. Your mind is so
slammed shut you will harm your dogs rather than look at scientific
evidence that shows you are wrong. Poor dogs!

That web site you keep linking to is the equivilent of a Sham-Wow
commercial, minus the unintential humor. https://www.shamwow.com/

Proving, unfortunately, that you are still unable to comprehend what
it is that constitutes "scientific evidence."

Tsk tsk tsk.

Char believes if it is on the web and supports her belief, it must be
true. She is unaware (best way to put it) that other sites show the
opposite.

Me, I will continue to point folks to their Vet while adding what i
have garnered _to check with their vet_ to see if applicable.

There is no way I would have used colloidal silver on a dog who's ear
infections got so bad, her ears started to bleed apparently from tests.
(not obvious to us but tests showed it).

--

Sadly, this evening the vet who joins his wife and daughter with our
Friday dinner gang, told us of a dog whose owner has followed all the
crank advice from the web.... a young (5 years), medium size intact
mixed breed bitch.... he saw for strange grouping of signs and symptoms
a few weeks ago and referred to the internal medicine vets at the GA vet
school, suspecting lupus, was diagnosed with an immune mediated kidney
and liver failure due to lupus, and died earlier this week. The kidney
function labs 4 weeks ago, prior to going up to Athens, were above
normal.... all of them. Liver function tests were elevated. In the two
weeks between the day he did labs on the dog and it was seen by the
internal medicine service (owner delayed making the appointment), the
liver and kidneys had failed significantly.

He learned of the dog's death from the consulting vet just before he
left the office this evening.

Among the owner's strategies had been No (ZERO) immunizations (breaking
state law rabies), a raw meat and bones only diet..... and for the
past six months, from the time the dog "started acting sick", daily
dosing with colloidal silver (useless, and probably toxic in this dog),
aloe vera juice (aloe vera juice probably being benign and ineffective),
milkthistle (probably too little too late, if the brand actually
contained what the label claimed, and if it's effective at all), and a
mega-vitamin/mineral supplement (probably not absorbed by this sick dog,
if the supplement contained what the label claimed, but would not have
helped). The consultant felt that the dog had had lupus for at least
three years, based on some biopsies done two weeks ago that showed
chronic tissue involvement and damage. Continuing the ultra high
protein raw diet only contributed to the kidney failure, once the
problem began, well before the dog was first seen by a vet.

Our vet friend doesn't see many owners of this stripe in his practice,
due to location.... He was furious....

Jo Wolf

On 7/16/2011 1:03 AM, Jo Wolf wrote:
Sadly, this evening the vet who joins his wife and daughter with our
Friday dinner gang, told us of a dog whose owner has followed all the
crank advice from the web.... a young (5 years), medium size intact
mixed breed bitch.... he saw for strange grouping of signs and symptoms
a few weeks ago and referred to the internal medicine vets at the GA vet
school, suspecting lupus, was diagnosed with an immune mediated kidney
and liver failure due to lupus, and died earlier this week. The kidney
function labs 4 weeks ago, prior to going up to Athens, were above
normal.... all of them. Liver function tests were elevated. In the two
weeks between the day he did labs on the dog and it was seen by the
internal medicine service (owner delayed making the appointment), the
liver and kidneys had failed significantly.

He learned of the dog's death from the consulting vet just before he
left the office this evening.

Among the owner's strategies had been No (ZERO) immunizations (breaking
state law rabies)

The vaccine manufacturers state very plainly that sick dogs should not
be given vaccines.

, a raw meat and bones only diet..... and for the
past six months, from the time the dog "started acting sick", daily
dosing with colloidal silver (useless, and probably toxic in this dog),

Colloidal silver is never toxic and rarely useless. Don't blame what
they gave the dog on it's death when you have no clue. It may well have
been too little too late but never toxic. Try just a little research
just for once instead of anecdotal stories.

aloe vera juice (aloe vera juice probably being benign and ineffective),
milkthistle (probably too little too late, if the brand actually
contained what the label claimed, and if it's effective at all), and a
mega-vitamin/mineral supplement (probably not absorbed by this sick dog,
if the supplement contained what the label claimed, but would not have
helped). The consultant felt that the dog had had lupus for at least
three years, based on some biopsies done two weeks ago that showed
chronic tissue involvement and damage. Continuing the ultra high
protein raw diet only contributed to the kidney failure,

A raw diet is not high protein at all. The things you all make up is
amazing!

once the
problem began, well before the dog was first seen by a vet.

Our vet friend doesn't see many owners of this stripe in his practice,
due to location.... He was furious....

Jo Wolf

On 7/15/2011 10:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
Char believes if it is on the web and supports her belief, it must be
true.

No I don't. I give hard evidence, you give stupid opinions. You are
nothing more than a troll at this point, adding nothing concrete to this
discussion and flaming people. Is that your hobby? Need to get a life?

She is unaware (best way to put it) that other sites show the
opposite.

You haven't provided any evidence of any opposites.

Me, I will continue to point folks to their Vet while adding what i
have garnered _to check with their vet_ to see if applicable.

There is no way I would have used colloidal silver on a dog who's ear
infections got so bad, her ears started to bleed apparently from tests.
(not obvious to us but tests showed it).

If you let the poor dog's ears get that bad you shouldn't have dogs.
I've cured ear infections many times with cs and so have hundreds of
thousands of others. I've used it to cure mange and other disorders as
well. Funny how you slam something you've never tried and know nothing
about.