On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:13:17 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:

On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:46:10 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:


Anyway, don't let Jo scare you off. Merely putting the DE around the
house can make a huge difference all in itself. It's not as much work
as she makes it seem. BTW I live in Florida where the fleas are around
year round and I manage to keep them down without killing us all. You
can too! I've been controlling fleas for years now without using
anything harmful. Don't let anyone tell you it's not possible.

On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

It irritates lungs if you inhale a lot of it. So wear a mask while
putting it down if you are sensitive, that's all. I use an inhaler yet
don't have a problem with DE. Stop scaring people from using something
much safer than most things the vets want you to buy.

I was pointing out that there are also downsides to DE, which I
believe presents a more balanced picture so that people can make
informed decisions on what to use. I think full disclosure on
anything, whether pesticides or DE, is important, don't you?

Wearing a mask and sprinkling that stuff inside my house is not an
option for me. If it works for you, peachy. There may be other
people for whom it would not work, however.

I don't allow
pesticides in my house (or yard) at all and I know that my pets and I
are all safer because of it. I would never use any flea product that
goes on the back of the neck for instance. They are all very much more
dangerous than DE would ever be.

Now who's trying to scare people?

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:04:02 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:

On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

"Food grade diatomaceous earth has excellent health benefits for
humans. Taken daily, it helps eliminate all intestinal worms and
parasites from the body and keeps the bowels clean. Food grade DE is
also known to sweep some bacteria out of the system, but DE does NOT
kill the beneficial bacteria in the gut. Most people who consume food
grade DE take it on a daily basis, ourselves, employees, and children
included. DE contains 15 naturally occurring minerals that are
excellent for the body. These minerals promote healthier, shinier
hair, skin and nails."
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/di...human_use.html

"Diatomaceous Earth (DE) has been reported in the scientific
literature to absorb methyl mercury, E. coli, endotoxins, viruses
(including poliovirus), organophosphate pesticide residues, drug
residues, and perhaps even the toxins produced by some intestinal
infections.

A growing number of users count beneficial human side effects of
Diatomaceous Earth and SILICA as being nothing short of vital to their
well being and exhibit genuine devotion toward its use. The only
cautionary side effect that we have found relating to Food Grade DE
has to do with direct inhalation and is essentially the same caution
advised as when handling baby powder."
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php


Yeah, it sounds soooo dangerous! LOL!

LOL! That is, of course, a completely objective presentation, since
those people are selling the product. LOL! The fact of the matter is
that DE is dangerous to people with respiratory conditions. Some
people's respiratory conditions are worse than others', and it's not
for you to decide whether people with said respiratory conditions can
safely use DE - it's for them.

LOL! HTH! HAND!

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:46:10 -0800, cyndi wrote:

On Jan 24, 1:59*am, "Paul J. Dudley" wrote:
Has anyone had experience in the use of diatomaceous earth for flea,
tick and or worm control in/on dogs ?

I just received a 5 pound bag of food grade diatomaceous earth. I have
read that it can be used to control fleas and ticks on your pets and
even given orally to control tape worms. One could even use it in the
garden to control insects ( or so the reading says ). I'd like to use it
on both if it really works.

Anybody ever use it ?

*Paul

Yes, I use it all the time and don't have to resort to any pesticides like
the others replying to your thread. It is used in grain bins as a way to
prevent bug infestations in human foods so we've all eaten it over the
course of our lives. Many people take it internally for medicinal purposes
and it's quite remarkable in that respect. You may want to Google that and
see what it can do for you.

Have done a lot of googling lately.

Since my original post I have done quite a bit of reading. I recently
started ingesting DE once a week. Givin' it a try.

Bug bombs, Revolution, all the other things mentioned are pesticides with
serious side effects including convulsions and death. No need to use them
if you use DE and a few other methods.

I don't care for " bug bombs". It's ok for others, but I don't
like the idea.

This is what I do to attack fleas. First of all vacuum the house and throw
away the bag if there is one. I've put the DE on the dogs but it makes the
coat feel funny and will dry their skin. I use it on the carpets, letting
it sit as long as I can stand it then sweeping it into them. Outside is
better treated with nematodes because they last longer than the DE
although you can get a DE with clay added that is pretty cheap and easy to
use. Rain tends to wash DE away. Also, DE will kill nematodes so you have
to think ahead and decide what will go where. Roach powder can also be
used for fleas BTW.

The dogs get a flea bath with any soapy dish detergent and I follow up
with a flea comb on a daily basis till all fleas are gone. To keep them
gone simply vacuum a lot, reuse the DE now and then and consider getting
your pets off of kibble which leaves pets not as healthy as those fed a
more species appropriate diet. Fleas attack weak pets. Consequently kibble
fed dogs tend to have more fleas.

Sandy has been off kibbles for a couple of months now. I started her
on a raw diet. She won't even go near kibbles now. When I bathe
Sandy I leave her suddsy for 5 - 7 minutes before giving her a rinse.

Some time ago when I lived in MA we had a period of Gypsy Moth
Caterpiller invaision. The middle of Summer looked like the dead
of Winter. Trees stripped of their leaves. You couldn't walk anywhere
without getting pelted with their droppings. Sides of houses covered.
People threw everything at them. It was a pesticide explosion.
Then someone broadcasted the idea of using simple soapy water
to combat them. Apparently many insect respirate through pores
in their skin. The soapy water dried leaving a soap film that blocks
said pores. Bye bye buggies. It worked quite well. I always keep
a spray bottle of soapy water on hand ever since. Add some cayenne
tea to the mix and them buggies run in circles before dropping.



Other methods I've used are putting a small light over top a bowl of
soapy water at night. Fleas come to the light and drown in the water. If
the infestation is really bad consider using an insect growth regulator.
This is mixed with water and sprayed around the house and prevents eggs
from hatching, thus ending the cycle.

I'll try the dish of soapy water. I use soapy water to kill all kinds
of bugs. I've even killed wasps with it. Might take a few coats but
I try to keep pesticide use of any kind to a very minimum.

Cars can be treated with DE, so can porches and the ground when rain is
not expected and can also be vacuumed. Bedding should be washed often and
then sprinkled with DE.

Bug bombs coat everything in your house with pesticides and you and all
the pets will ingest it like it or not. I'd never use them ever. Working
with natural flea products takes a little more work but is so much safer.
Too many dogs and humans are getting cancer anymore and commercial flea
products are a huge cause.

Anyway, don't let Jo scare you off. Merely putting the DE around the house
can make a huge difference all in itself. It's not as much work as she
makes it seem. BTW I live in Florida where the fleas are around year round
and I manage to keep them down without killing us all. You can too! I've
been controlling fleas for years now without using anything harmful. Don't
let anyone tell you it's not possible.

Well ... I did say it might be too much work, but I haven't stopped
using DE all the way. I still poof under Sandys coat and rub it in.
I have been trying it here and there around the house in between
vacuuming. I want to make sure the cat and dogs don't start displaying
signs of respiratory problems before I attempt to douse the whole
house.

Thanks for your reply

Paul ... ( ... and Mommy Caty, Sandy and Booger ).

On Jan 30, 10:05*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:13:17 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:









On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:46:10 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:

Anyway, don't let Jo scare you off. Merely putting the DE around the
house can make a huge difference all in itself. It's not as much work
as she makes it seem. BTW I live in Florida where the fleas are around
year round and I manage to keep them down without killing us all. You
can too! I've been controlling fleas for years now without using
anything harmful. Don't let anyone tell you it's not possible.

On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

It irritates lungs if you inhale a lot of it. So wear a mask while
putting it down if you are sensitive, that's all. I use an inhaler yet
don't have a problem with DE. Stop scaring people from using something
much safer than most things the vets want you to buy.

I was pointing out that there are also downsides to DE, which I
believe presents a more balanced picture so that people can make
informed decisions on what to use. *I think full disclosure on
anything, whether pesticides or DE, is important, don't you?

I sure do but your "picture" is not balanced at all.


Wearing a mask and sprinkling that stuff inside my house is not an
option for me. *If it works for you, peachy. *There may be other
people for whom it would not work, however.

I don't allow
pesticides in my house (or yard) at all and I know that my pets and I
are all safer because of it. I would never use any flea product that
goes on the back of the neck for instance. They are all very much more
dangerous than DE would ever be.

Now who's trying to scare people?

Putting pesticides right on your pets *should* scare people. It kills
them and us!

On Jan 30, 10:11*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:04:02 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:









On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

"Food grade diatomaceous earth has excellent health benefits for
humans. Taken daily, it helps eliminate all intestinal worms and
parasites from the body and keeps the bowels clean. Food grade DE is
also known to sweep some bacteria out of the system, but DE does NOT
kill the beneficial bacteria in the gut. Most people who consume food
grade DE take it on a daily basis, ourselves, employees, and children
included. DE contains 15 naturally occurring minerals that are
excellent for the body. These minerals promote healthier, shinier
hair, skin and nails."
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/di...human_use.html

"Diatomaceous Earth (DE) has been reported in the scientific
literature to absorb methyl mercury, E. coli, endotoxins, viruses
(including poliovirus), organophosphate pesticide residues, drug
residues, and perhaps even the toxins produced by some intestinal
infections.

A growing number of users count beneficial human side effects of
Diatomaceous Earth and SILICA as being nothing short of vital to their
well being and exhibit genuine devotion toward its use. The only
cautionary side effect that we have found relating to Food Grade DE
has to do with direct inhalation and is essentially the same caution
advised as when handling baby powder."
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php

Yeah, it sounds soooo dangerous! LOL!

LOL! *That is, of course, a completely objective presentation, since
those people are selling the product. *LOL! *The fact of the matter is
that DE is dangerous to people with respiratory conditions.

Only slightly so and not at all if used with a mask (I have a
respiratory condition). Comments were made that it's dangerous to all
under all conditions yet no proof of that was presented.

*Some
people's respiratory conditions are worse than others', and it's not
for you to decide whether people with said respiratory conditions can
safely use DE - it's for them.

And outside of those conditions how is it dangerous to anyone? Let's
use facts here. For instance, Frontline is the namebrand for fipronil.
Here are some facts on fipronil.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/~coull_lab/staton/ab17.html

"Research now shows that even minuscule exposure is toxic to
vertebrates including humans and pets."
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Bod.../Fipronil.html


Games, you are full of games and don't care if the information is
actually true or not. You just like to argue and be right, nevermind
what the truth is. Troll!

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:36:51 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:

On Jan 30, 10:11*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:04:02 -0800 (PST), cyndi
wrote:









On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

"Food grade diatomaceous earth has excellent health benefits for
humans. Taken daily, it helps eliminate all intestinal worms and
parasites from the body and keeps the bowels clean. Food grade DE is
also known to sweep some bacteria out of the system, but DE does NOT
kill the beneficial bacteria in the gut. Most people who consume food
grade DE take it on a daily basis, ourselves, employees, and children
included. DE contains 15 naturally occurring minerals that are
excellent for the body. These minerals promote healthier, shinier
hair, skin and nails."
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/di...human_use.html

"Diatomaceous Earth (DE) has been reported in the scientific
literature to absorb methyl mercury, E. coli, endotoxins, viruses
(including poliovirus), organophosphate pesticide residues, drug
residues, and perhaps even the toxins produced by some intestinal
infections.

A growing number of users count beneficial human side effects of
Diatomaceous Earth and SILICA as being nothing short of vital to their
well being and exhibit genuine devotion toward its use. The only
cautionary side effect that we have found relating to Food Grade DE
has to do with direct inhalation and is essentially the same caution
advised as when handling baby powder."
http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php

Yeah, it sounds soooo dangerous! LOL!

LOL! *That is, of course, a completely objective presentation, since
those people are selling the product. *LOL! *The fact of the matter is
that DE is dangerous to people with respiratory conditions.

Only slightly so and not at all if used with a mask (I have a
respiratory condition). Comments were made that it's dangerous to all
under all conditions yet no proof of that was presented.

Here's what I said: On Jan 28, 9:57*pm, sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
On the other hand, DE is not all that healthy for humans, especially
those with asthma and other respiratory issues. *It is definitely not
the perfectly safe miracle product that some zealots would have you
believe.

Read for comprehension. I didn't say DE is "dangerous to all under
all conditions". Moreover, web sites advertising holistic products do
not constitute proof of dangers of other products.

*Some
people's respiratory conditions are worse than others', and it's not
for you to decide whether people with said respiratory conditions can
safely use DE - it's for them.

And outside of those conditions how is it dangerous to anyone? Let's
use facts here. For instance, Frontline is the namebrand for fipronil.
Here are some facts on fipronil.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/~coull_lab/staton/ab17.html

"Research now shows that even minuscule exposure is toxic to
vertebrates including humans and pets."
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Bod.../Fipronil.html


Games, you are full of games and don't care if the information is
actually true or not. You just like to argue and be right, nevermind
what the truth is. Troll!

Heh. You're the troll, babe. I've been here for years, and I don't
just pop up to start arguments. In this situation, my respiratory
condition has to take precedence. I don't care what your respiratory
condition is, because it's not relevant to mine, or whether or not you
agree with my decisions, because you don't know what I use for
flea/pest control anyway.

This is the first time I've heard of diatomaceous earth. I better research about it.

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