I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

You see your dog with your couch cushion in her mouth, the stuffing hanging
out. You call her, and she runs to you with the cushion still in her mouth.
What do you do?

Most students exclaim, "Kill her!" and everybody laughs.

Then I ask, "How many seconds do you have as a window for your dog to associate
your reaction to her behavior?" (I talk about this before I give the example.)
You can see the dawning lights as they murmur, "Three seconds. Oh, wow. I
just punished her for coming to me, right?"

VARIABLE SCHEDULE

Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that lever? If
every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep pulling.
But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The excitement
comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what
makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point, but
you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST

This one I read somewhere, possibly here.

If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you do?
("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the money?
Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think, "Hey,
this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer to
your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you tried
to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd realize
that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before you
do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on - "Oh,
that I just have to keep trying harder!")

By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's
exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how to
train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something their
dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2 year old
human. It will probably work on the dog.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

Leah wrote:
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training concepts.


VARIABLE SCHEDULE

Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that lever? If
every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep pulling.
But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The excitement
comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what
makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point, but
you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST

This one I read somewhere, possibly here.

If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you do?
("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the money?
Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think, "Hey,
this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer to
your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you tried
to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd realize
that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before you
do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on - "Oh,
that I just have to keep trying harder!")

Good analogies, IMO! And when you combine variable scedule of
reinforcement with extinction burst, you can see that the extinction is
going to take a lot longer if you've given in occasionally to your dog's
bad behavior when she is begging at the table, jumping, bolting out the
front door, etc. The dog isn't accustomed to getting reinforcement on
every trial anyhow, so of course she is going to persist longer.

FurPaw


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--
Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

To reply, unleash the dog.

Leah wrote:
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training concepts.


VARIABLE SCHEDULE

Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that lever? If
every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep pulling.
But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The excitement
comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what
makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point, but
you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST

This one I read somewhere, possibly here.

If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you do?
("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the money?
Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think, "Hey,
this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer to
your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you tried
to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd realize
that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before you
do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on - "Oh,
that I just have to keep trying harder!")

Good analogies, IMO! And when you combine variable scedule of
reinforcement with extinction burst, you can see that the extinction is
going to take a lot longer if you've given in occasionally to your dog's
bad behavior when she is begging at the table, jumping, bolting out the
front door, etc. The dog isn't accustomed to getting reinforcement on
every trial anyhow, so of course she is going to persist longer.

FurPaw


PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.





--
Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

To reply, unleash the dog.

"Leah" -OFF wrote in message
...
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my
students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I
thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training
concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's
exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how
to
train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something
their
dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2
year old
human. It will probably work on the dog.

I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post
was right, did you copy it from somewhere? How about "I practice what I
preach?"

Would you allow your child / children to play in your garden unsupervised
with the garden not sercurley fenced and a locked gate?

If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call
that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it
crossed the road sefely?

I'm sorry Leah but your posts are so contradictive, it's a case of, "Do as I
say not as I do" I hope none of your students read these newsgroups for your
sake. I suggest you practice what you preach.

Shell

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

"Leah" -OFF wrote in message
...
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my
students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I
thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training
concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's
exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how
to
train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something
their
dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2
year old
human. It will probably work on the dog.

I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post
was right, did you copy it from somewhere? How about "I practice what I
preach?"

Would you allow your child / children to play in your garden unsupervised
with the garden not sercurley fenced and a locked gate?

If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call
that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it
crossed the road sefely?

I'm sorry Leah but your posts are so contradictive, it's a case of, "Do as I
say not as I do" I hope none of your students read these newsgroups for your
sake. I suggest you practice what you preach.

Shell

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

"Mark/Shell" wrote:
I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post
was right, did you copy it from somewhere?

No, I just happen to not be quite as stupid as you would like to persist in
believing, and I also know more about dog training and behavior than you'd like
to admit.

If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call
that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it
crossed the road sefely?

My child would hopefully know the command "Stay right there and don't move!"

Because of this incident, and the consciousness-raising it did in me, I am
starting to encourage my students to teach a distance "down." It's not in the
curriculum, but it is an important safety measure. I will do it with my dogs,
too.

The best shot of getting my dog back quickly and safely this time was a recall.
If it should ever happen again, I'll have a better option.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

"Mark/Shell" wrote:
I just had to answer this email. Everything you have written in this post
was right, did you copy it from somewhere?

No, I just happen to not be quite as stupid as you would like to persist in
believing, and I also know more about dog training and behavior than you'd like
to admit.

If your child "escaped" from your garden and crossed a road would you call
that child across the road or would you cross the road and make sure it
crossed the road sefely?

My child would hopefully know the command "Stay right there and don't move!"

Because of this incident, and the consciousness-raising it did in me, I am
starting to encourage my students to teach a distance "down." It's not in the
curriculum, but it is an important safety measure. I will do it with my dogs,
too.

The best shot of getting my dog back quickly and safely this time was a recall.
If it should ever happen again, I'll have a better option.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

"Leah" -OFF wrote in message
...
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my
students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I
thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training
concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

True I accept that.

You see your dog with your couch cushion in her mouth, the stuffing
hanging
out. You call her, and she runs to you with the cushion still in her
mouth.
What do you do?

Not a damn thing if you did not see her killing it then you cannot correct
it.
give her a pat for coming to you.

Most students exclaim, "Kill her!" and everybody laughs.

Then I ask, "How many seconds do you have as a window for your dog to
associate
your reaction to her behavior?" (I talk about this before I give the
example.)
You can see the dawning lights as they murmur, "Three seconds. Oh, wow.
I
just punished her for coming to me, right?"

1.5 with a 4 second attention span but your impressing me Leah keep going.


VARIABLE SCHEDULE

Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that
lever? If
every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep
pulling.
But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The
excitement
comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what
makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point,
but
you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST

This one I read somewhere, possibly here.

If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you
do?
("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the
money?
Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think,
"Hey,
this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer
to
your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you
tried
to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd
realize
that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before
you
do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on -
"Oh,
that I just have to keep trying harder!")

It is called Behaviour Exticntion good method mut you need to incorporate it
wit pos and neg as well damn your getting good at this.



By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's
exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how
to
train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something
their
dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2
year old
human. It will probably work on the dog.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.



--
David Sweeney
STI
QK9SARG
"Send Seek Find"

www.qk9sarg.org

www.qk9sarg.org

"Leah" -OFF wrote in message
...
I've discovered a couple of ways to explain certain concepts to my
students
that result in visible light bulbs igniting over their heads. So I
thought I'd
share them with those of you who teach, and ask for examples of similar
analogies you use that can help explain dog behavior and training
concepts.

DOGS LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW

True I accept that.

You see your dog with your couch cushion in her mouth, the stuffing
hanging
out. You call her, and she runs to you with the cushion still in her
mouth.
What do you do?

Not a damn thing if you did not see her killing it then you cannot correct
it.
give her a pat for coming to you.

Most students exclaim, "Kill her!" and everybody laughs.

Then I ask, "How many seconds do you have as a window for your dog to
associate
your reaction to her behavior?" (I talk about this before I give the
example.)
You can see the dawning lights as they murmur, "Three seconds. Oh, wow.
I
just punished her for coming to me, right?"

1.5 with a 4 second attention span but your impressing me Leah keep going.


VARIABLE SCHEDULE

Why will a person sit at a slot machine all night long, pulling that
lever? If
every time you pulled the lever you got a jackpot, sure, you'd keep
pulling.
But how much fun would it be? Would it be exciting or boring? The
excitement
comes from never knowing when the expected jackpot will come. That's what
makes gambling an addiction - you know it's going to happen at some point,
but
you never know when, so you're motivated to keep trying.

EXTINCTION BURST

This one I read somewhere, possibly here.

If every time you clapped your hands I gave you a $20 bill, what would you
do?
("Keep clapping!") Right. What if I suddenly stopped giving you the
money?
Would you give up right away? ("Not right away.") Nope, you'd think,
"Hey,
this always worked before. Maybe if I clap harder. Or faster. Or closer
to
your face." In other words, the behavior would get more intense as you
tried
to get the same reaction from the same action. After a while, you'd
realize
that it No Longer Works, and you'd stop. But... what if I give in before
you
do, and hand you a $20 bill? What did I just reinforce? (Lights go on -
"Oh,
that I just have to keep trying harder!")

It is called Behaviour Exticntion good method mut you need to incorporate it
wit pos and neg as well damn your getting good at this.



By the way, I always get a kick out of it when students exclaim, "That's
exactly how I raised my kids!" I tell them, "See, you knew all along how
to
train a dog." :}
I tell the moms that if they're at a loss for how to react to something
their
dog does, to think what kind of child psychology they would use on a 2
year old
human. It will probably work on the dog.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.



--
David Sweeney
STI
QK9SARG
"Send Seek Find"

www.qk9sarg.org

www.qk9sarg.org

No, I just happen to not be quite as stupid as you would like to persist in
believing, and I also know more about dog training and behaviour than you'd
like
to admit.

Ok I will put you to the test Leah.

Everyone will have to shut up then.

What is the fastest way to extinguish a dogs behaviour and why?

This could be anything it is just a general question.


--
David Sweeney
STI
QK9SARG
"Send Seek Find"

www.qk9sarg.org

www.qk9sarg.org