I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-) Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC. (And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )
Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?


So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-) Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC. (And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )
Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?


So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-) Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC. (And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )
Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?


So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

sionnach wrote:

I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-)

I would think that would be the case. Thanks for the reminder
to consider.


Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC.

I have not yet seen these but I hope I do soon.

(And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )

Well that isn't exactly comforting information about suspended tires.


Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

And why would these be a problem?



So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Thanks, so I really should not worry about more than 8"? I am happy to hear
this.



Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

Thanks Sarah for posting this and making a new thread.

Gwen

sionnach wrote:

I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-)

I would think that would be the case. Thanks for the reminder
to consider.


Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC.

I have not yet seen these but I hope I do soon.

(And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )

Well that isn't exactly comforting information about suspended tires.


Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

And why would these be a problem?



So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Thanks, so I really should not worry about more than 8"? I am happy to hear
this.



Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

Thanks Sarah for posting this and making a new thread.

Gwen

sionnach wrote:

I had to start a new thread, because the OE "long thread" bug just bit:

"Gwen Watson" wrote:

Thanks Sarah for a very detailed post about the various US Agility
venues. This one is a keeper and I am saving it in MSword for
future reference, if you don't mind?

Not at all. Just remember that things may change again. ;-)

I would think that would be the case. Thanks for the reminder
to consider.


Also, a
couple of other differences worth mentioning equipment:
NADAC requires a displacable tire, which is *much* safer than the
suspended/solid ones allowed in USDAA and AKC.

I have not yet seen these but I hope I do soon.

(And no, Robin, I don't
consider that to be speculation; I've seen the falls, crashes,
leg-wrenches, etc. that happen with the suspended ones - and DON'T happen
with the displaceable one. . ;-) )

Well that isn't exactly comforting information about suspended tires.


Also, there's no table in NADAC; it's always a down on the table in
USDAA; in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

And why would these be a problem?



So I take it Reznor at just under 12" will be doing 12" jumps?

Actually, in NADAC he'd be in the 8" class, being a Corgi. The 12" jump
height is for dogs with withers from 14" down to 11", but some breeds get an
exemption and are allowed to jump one height lower. The list includes most
of the dwarfed breeds like Corgis, Basset Hounds, etc., as well as some that
are very square, short-necked, and heavy bodied, such as AmStaffs and Pugs.

Thanks, so I really should not worry about more than 8"? I am happy to hear
this.



Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?

Thanks Sarah for posting this and making a new thread.

Gwen

sionnach wrote:


Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

You are correct. Weaves are an area which I wish all the venues would
change. Weaves as they stand are fine for small dogs, but not for big
dogs! Again this is an area that hasn't been studied formally, but I
have a picture of Viva which shows the extreme flexion required for a
bigger dog to single step the weave poles--it's no wonder so many large
dogs have bicepital tendonitis and arthritis in their front feet. My
website is down at the moment, if the thread is still active when I get
it back up I'll post the picture.

I think that there are enough brainy engineer types out there that we
ought to be able to design a weave pole with limited flex and some kind
of flex/spring assembly on the inside, so that small dogs don't displace
them, hair doesn't get caught in the springs, and bigger dogs can
shoulder them out of the way safely without them being so flexible that
they bang the ground. As it stands, big dogs get physically punished for
trying to go fast--Viva has come out of weaves with bloody eyes from the
poles smacking her face. And USDAA is the worst--they allow 18" spacing
on their poles!!


Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?


No. No exemptions. But of course there's the Preferred class if you
don't want to jump your dog full height. I like AKC's height divisions,
they seem to work well for a majority of dogs. So, say, if you have a 12
1/4" tall dog, it will jump 12 in AKC, 16 in USDAA.

sionnach wrote:


Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

You are correct. Weaves are an area which I wish all the venues would
change. Weaves as they stand are fine for small dogs, but not for big
dogs! Again this is an area that hasn't been studied formally, but I
have a picture of Viva which shows the extreme flexion required for a
bigger dog to single step the weave poles--it's no wonder so many large
dogs have bicepital tendonitis and arthritis in their front feet. My
website is down at the moment, if the thread is still active when I get
it back up I'll post the picture.

I think that there are enough brainy engineer types out there that we
ought to be able to design a weave pole with limited flex and some kind
of flex/spring assembly on the inside, so that small dogs don't displace
them, hair doesn't get caught in the springs, and bigger dogs can
shoulder them out of the way safely without them being so flexible that
they bang the ground. As it stands, big dogs get physically punished for
trying to go fast--Viva has come out of weaves with bloody eyes from the
poles smacking her face. And USDAA is the worst--they allow 18" spacing
on their poles!!


Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?


No. No exemptions. But of course there's the Preferred class if you
don't want to jump your dog full height. I like AKC's height divisions,
they seem to work well for a majority of dogs. So, say, if you have a 12
1/4" tall dog, it will jump 12 in AKC, 16 in USDAA.

sionnach wrote:


Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

You are correct. Weaves are an area which I wish all the venues would
change. Weaves as they stand are fine for small dogs, but not for big
dogs! Again this is an area that hasn't been studied formally, but I
have a picture of Viva which shows the extreme flexion required for a
bigger dog to single step the weave poles--it's no wonder so many large
dogs have bicepital tendonitis and arthritis in their front feet. My
website is down at the moment, if the thread is still active when I get
it back up I'll post the picture.

I think that there are enough brainy engineer types out there that we
ought to be able to design a weave pole with limited flex and some kind
of flex/spring assembly on the inside, so that small dogs don't displace
them, hair doesn't get caught in the springs, and bigger dogs can
shoulder them out of the way safely without them being so flexible that
they bang the ground. As it stands, big dogs get physically punished for
trying to go fast--Viva has come out of weaves with bloody eyes from the
poles smacking her face. And USDAA is the worst--they allow 18" spacing
on their poles!!


Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are there
exemptions in AKC?


No. No exemptions. But of course there's the Preferred class if you
don't want to jump your dog full height. I like AKC's height divisions,
they seem to work well for a majority of dogs. So, say, if you have a 12
1/4" tall dog, it will jump 12 in AKC, 16 in USDAA.

"sionnach" wrote in message
...
in AKC it can be either a sit or a down- I believe the choice is up
to the particular judge.

Yes, and it doesn't have to be decided until the judge has set the course.
The other weekend, there was a provisional judge and the AKC rep was there
to supervise, and they were discussing whether to make the Ex B standard
table a sit or a down. The judge had more questions about judging a down, so
they made it a down in order for the judge to be able to discuss any
questions with the AKC rep. In general, though, it seems like whatever the
judge had for Saturday's table, the Sunday judge does the opposite.


Robin (or any other AKC'ers)- refresh my memory on the weaves: am I
remembering correctly that AKC used to allow spring-based weaves but no
longer does?

That is correct. And Gwen, they were an issue for a variety of reasons -
long haired dogs would get their hair caught in the springs, for one thing
(and getting BIT by the weaves is a good way to make a dog avoid them, or do
them verrrry slowly!) Dogs trained on spring-based poles would often learn
to just shove them out of the way with their noses so they could plow
through, causing them quite a quick learning when they hit solid based poles
for the first time. This is all hearsay, btw, since AFAIK in So. Cal. they
have always been solid based.

Here's another place where I'm not sure of the AKC rules- Robin, are
there
exemptions in AKC?

No, but any dog can enter the Preferred classes and jump the next lower jump
height.

Christy