Correction. I just called IVD and their Canine Modified Formula
is 15% fat by dry weight which isn't that much lower than is
Hill's U/D at about 17%.

--Marshall

Correction. I just called IVD and their Canine Modified Formula
is 15% fat by dry weight which isn't that much lower than is
Hill's U/D at about 17%.

--Marshall

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
writes:
I've run through spells of gall
}bladder troubles and I can tell you what has helped clean out my gall
}bladder the most - apple juice. I've even managed to move some gall
stones
}with just apple juice.

Do you have objective evidence like a sonogram to verify that
there was sludge before taking the apple juice and less later?

............No, just subjective evidence, like feeling a stone rolling down
the duct at night and seeing the evidence in the bowl the next day!

Thanks very much for all the work and advice Buglady! (How did you come up
with
this name?)

.......I like bugs......

buglady
take out the dog before replying

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
writes:
I've run through spells of gall
}bladder troubles and I can tell you what has helped clean out my gall
}bladder the most - apple juice. I've even managed to move some gall
stones
}with just apple juice.

Do you have objective evidence like a sonogram to verify that
there was sludge before taking the apple juice and less later?

............No, just subjective evidence, like feeling a stone rolling down
the duct at night and seeing the evidence in the bowl the next day!

Thanks very much for all the work and advice Buglady! (How did you come up
with
this name?)

.......I like bugs......

buglady
take out the dog before replying

In article et "buglady" writes:

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
writes:
I've run through spells of gall
}bladder troubles and I can tell you what has helped clean out my gall
}bladder the most - apple juice. I've even managed to move some gall
stones
}with just apple juice.

Do you have objective evidence like a sonogram to verify that
there was sludge before taking the apple juice and less later?

...........No, just subjective evidence, like feeling a stone rolling down
the duct at night and seeing the evidence in the bowl the next day!

I hate to ask this but looks can be deceptive. Did you palpate the
"stone"?

Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

--Marshall

In article et "buglady" writes:

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
writes:
I've run through spells of gall
}bladder troubles and I can tell you what has helped clean out my gall
}bladder the most - apple juice. I've even managed to move some gall
stones
}with just apple juice.

Do you have objective evidence like a sonogram to verify that
there was sludge before taking the apple juice and less later?

...........No, just subjective evidence, like feeling a stone rolling down
the duct at night and seeing the evidence in the bowl the next day!

I hate to ask this but looks can be deceptive. Did you palpate the
"stone"?

Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

--Marshall

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

........Of course he did, he'd rather operate!

............Well, I'll tell ya, there's no mistaking a gall bladder stone
moving through a duct.

http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s904.htm
And it is interesting that this med info site says drink lots of water or
apple juice:
http://www.medformation.com/mf/mm_qd...qd/nd0509g.htm
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/5710/81105

Various sites say apples have sorbitol (a natural laxative), malic acid
(already made by body, slight irritant to liver) and pectin (liver cleanser,
lowers cholesterol), each of which they claim helps soften up gallstones.
There is quite a bit of literature on pectin, but I'm done with searches at
the moment.

Go buy a quart of apple juice (natural stuff is better) and drink half of it
in one day...... the rest the next day....you'll see!

buglady
take out the dog before replying

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

........Of course he did, he'd rather operate!

............Well, I'll tell ya, there's no mistaking a gall bladder stone
moving through a duct.

http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s904.htm
And it is interesting that this med info site says drink lots of water or
apple juice:
http://www.medformation.com/mf/mm_qd...qd/nd0509g.htm
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/5710/81105

Various sites say apples have sorbitol (a natural laxative), malic acid
(already made by body, slight irritant to liver) and pectin (liver cleanser,
lowers cholesterol), each of which they claim helps soften up gallstones.
There is quite a bit of literature on pectin, but I'm done with searches at
the moment.

Go buy a quart of apple juice (natural stuff is better) and drink half of it
in one day...... the rest the next day....you'll see!

buglady
take out the dog before replying

In article .net "buglady" writes:
"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

.......Of course he did, he'd rather operate!

As I recall, he was a pathologist.



...........Well, I'll tell ya, there's no mistaking a gall bladder stone
moving through a duct.

But you didn't see the stone moving through a duct.


http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s904.htm

The site above says that apple pectin binds with fat so
it is not absorbed in the intestine. It does not say
that apple juice some how enhances the removal of
gallstones.

And it is interesting that this med info site says drink lots of water or
apple juice:
http://www.medformation.com/mf/mm_qd...qd/nd0509g.htm

The site above does not say that apple juice eliminates gall stones.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/5710/81105

Hardly an authoritative site.


Various sites say apples have sorbitol (a natural laxative), malic acid
(already made by body, slight irritant to liver) and pectin (liver cleanser,
lowers cholesterol), each of which they claim helps soften up gallstones.
There is quite a bit of literature on pectin, but I'm done with searches at
the moment.

Go buy a quart of apple juice (natural stuff is better) and drink half of it
in one day...... the rest the next day....you'll see!

See a stone in my gall bladder duct? I hope not for that would
suggest that my body cavity were open. :-(

Thanks for all the help with Max but I am not sure about your
apple juice solution to gall stones.

Best wishes,

--Marshall

In article .net "buglady" writes:
"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
...
In article et "buglady"
Some time ago, on a Usenet group, I found a post by a physician
(pathologist) who claimed that juice/oil flushes were rubbish!

.......Of course he did, he'd rather operate!

As I recall, he was a pathologist.



...........Well, I'll tell ya, there's no mistaking a gall bladder stone
moving through a duct.

But you didn't see the stone moving through a duct.


http://www.viable-herbal.com/singles/herbs/s904.htm

The site above says that apple pectin binds with fat so
it is not absorbed in the intestine. It does not say
that apple juice some how enhances the removal of
gallstones.

And it is interesting that this med info site says drink lots of water or
apple juice:
http://www.medformation.com/mf/mm_qd...qd/nd0509g.htm

The site above does not say that apple juice eliminates gall stones.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/5710/81105

Hardly an authoritative site.


Various sites say apples have sorbitol (a natural laxative), malic acid
(already made by body, slight irritant to liver) and pectin (liver cleanser,
lowers cholesterol), each of which they claim helps soften up gallstones.
There is quite a bit of literature on pectin, but I'm done with searches at
the moment.

Go buy a quart of apple juice (natural stuff is better) and drink half of it
in one day...... the rest the next day....you'll see!

See a stone in my gall bladder duct? I hope not for that would
suggest that my body cavity were open. :-(

Thanks for all the help with Max but I am not sure about your
apple juice solution to gall stones.

Best wishes,

--Marshall