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queenmother July 3rd 03 11:29 PM

Adopted Golden Retriever puppy, worried about size
 
"Holier Than Thou" wrote in message
. 3.44...
(George Patterson) wrote in
om:
I adopted a 2-month old Golden Retriever puppy at a local rescue

(apparently some moron bought her for her son and got fed up with the
chewing and pooping in less tha two weeks!).

Is her size (8lbs. - 10
inches) awfully small for a 4-week-old puppy or am I really obsessing
over this?



FOUR WEEKS?

Four?
BethF, Anchorage, AK


I'm a little unclear on the age also. It started out as a two month old
puppy and ended up as four weeks.

Even at two months, it appears it was sold to the original owner at no older
than six weeks. (And *why* doesn't the breeder have the papers yet? This
guy sounds like a real sleaze. OTOH, he does agree to get them to him
eventually.)

Even at two months old, I'd listen to my vet. It's probably fine. The
puppy has had a rough start but should catch up pretty quickly. And outside
of what is being done with treatments and good food, you're pretty much
going to get what you get at this point.

~Judy





George Patterson July 4th 03 03:27 AM

Holier Than Thou wrote in message .3.44...

FOUR WEEKS?

Four?

Poor puppy.

Her size is fine.


Sorry, I meant *8* weeks old. She was 8 weeks old when I got her, a
week older now, but the weight and height (8 lbs, 10 inches) are from
last week. Sorry for the confusion, it's hard to think straight with
her biting me the whole day :)

George Patterson July 4th 03 03:38 AM

"queenmother" wrote in message ...

I'm a little unclear on the age also. It started out as a two month old
puppy and ended up as four weeks.


Sorry, I meant 8 weeks. She's actually a week older now, but the 8
lbs. weight is from last week.

Even at two months, it appears it was sold to the original owner at no older
than six weeks. (And *why* doesn't the breeder have the papers yet? This
guy sounds like a real sleaze. OTOH, he does agree to get them to him
eventually.)


I couldn't care less about the pedigree, to be honest. I mean, it's
not something you expect when you adopt a dog from a rescue. But
dropping by to pick it up seems like a good excuse to take a look at
where these puppies were born and what the parents look like.

Even at two months old, I'd listen to my vet. It's probably fine. The
puppy has had a rough start but should catch up pretty quickly. And outside
of what is being done with treatments and good food, you're pretty much
going to get what you get at this point.


She does seem healthy otherwise, so I guess I should hope for the
best.

Thanks for the input.

Christy July 4th 03 06:17 AM


"George Patterson" wrote in message
om...

Sorry, I meant *8* weeks old. She was 8 weeks old when I got her, a
week older now, but the weight and height (8 lbs, 10 inches) are from
last week. Sorry for the confusion, it's hard to think straight with
her biting me the whole day :)


This sounds *awfully* small to me.
In perspective, a sheltie puppy should be under 10 inches at 10 weeks to
achieve an adult size of 16 inches or less. A golden adult should be around
22-24 inches, with the bitches being on the smaller end. Hopefully, your pup
will have a growth spurt and will not end up being terribly small. I'd be
concerned if she doesn't start to catch up in height in the next month or
so, though, because there can be health problems (such as liver shunt) that
can cause a puppy to be abnormally small. At this point, no reason to worry,
if she's otherwise improving healthwise with vet care - it could just be she
got a crappy start (lousy breeder, worms and illness) and just needs a
chance to be healthy.

Christy



Chris Jung July 4th 03 12:54 PM


"Christy" wrote in message
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
om...

Sorry, I meant *8* weeks old. She was 8 weeks old when I got her, a
week older now, but the weight and height (8 lbs, 10 inches) are from
last week. Sorry for the confusion, it's hard to think straight with
her biting me the whole day :)


This sounds *awfully* small to me.
In perspective, a sheltie puppy should be under 10 inches at 10 weeks to
achieve an adult size of 16 inches or less. A golden adult should be

around
22-24 inches, with the bitches being on the smaller end. Hopefully, your

pup
will have a growth spurt and will not end up being terribly small. I'd be
concerned if she doesn't start to catch up in height in the next month or
so, though, because there can be health problems (such as liver shunt)

that
can cause a puppy to be abnormally small. At this point, no reason to

worry,
if she's otherwise improving healthwise with vet care - it could just be

she
got a crappy start (lousy breeder, worms and illness) and just needs a
chance to be healthy.

Christy


A typical collie puppy is roughly about 15 - 25 lbs at 8 weeks. They are
lighter boned than goldens but are about the same height. So I agree that 8
lbs at 8 weeks is really small. Back when I lived in Pittsburgh, I did meet
a purebred golden bitch who was tiny - about 15 inches as an adult - sheltie
sized. As far as I know, she was healthy just very small.

Chris and her smoothies,
Zeffie (19 lbs at 8 weeks - ended up 22.25 " tall) and Pablo (26 lbs at 9
weeks - ended up 26" tall) and Bode the silly mixed-breed pup



Amanda Tikkanen July 7th 03 02:51 PM

"Chris Jung" wrote in message ...

A typical collie puppy is roughly about 15 - 25 lbs at 8 weeks. They are
lighter boned than goldens but are about the same height. So I agree that 8
lbs at 8 weeks is really small. Back when I lived in Pittsburgh, I did meet
a purebred golden bitch who was tiny - about 15 inches as an adult - sheltie
sized. As far as I know, she was healthy just very small.


Beau was about 14lbs when I got him at 10 weeks-- about average for
Catahoula puppies that age, (good considering it was Annie's first
litter and it was a decent size--6). They also tend to finish growing
around 8-10 mos. Beau grew into a normal sized male (74#--24.5").
His littermate Cajun (the only tailed pup in the litter) finished at
26" and pushing 90#. His 3/4 brother, Jake (my brother's little guy)
was that size at 8 weeks. Now at 12 weeks he's a pound bigger than
Beau was at the same age.

Their breeder thinks Jake *might* get as big as Beau, but she's not
certain. I actually think Jake won't be quite as beefy--maybe the
same weight, but built different-- he's already leggier than Beau
was-- I think he'll end up a little taller than Beau is. I'm also
pretty jealous because Jake is from the breeding I wanted a puppy from
and he's got great movement already-- something you don't often see in
tiny puppies. He's got a neat personality to top it off... even if
Beau does have a nicer head G

FWIW, Jake is also getting neutered soon, which may or may not affect
his long term growth. (Jake looks like Beau in a ninja suit-- Jake's
all black with some faint brindling on his legs, dark eyes... and a
small kink in his tail so his tail sticks straight out all the time,
but he can still kidney bean as well as Beau... Jake also has a
permanent cowlick on the back of his head).

-Amanda
http://www.uberpest.com

Holier Than Thou July 8th 03 01:14 AM

ospam (Manadero) wrote in
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From: "Chris Jung"


A typical collie puppy is roughly about 15 - 25 lbs at 8 weeks. They
are lighter boned than goldens but are about the same height. So I
agree that 8 lbs at 8 weeks is really small.


FWIW, my mom kept a puppy that I rescued many years ago. She was
seven weeks and 1.7# (yes, you read that right - one lb, seven ounces
(about the size of a *four* day old Aussie puppy) when I got her..
malnutrition, coccidia, worms, etc. you name it. She looked like a
blue merle Pom.. Cared for properly, she ended up a respectable 19"
and 46 lbs. I've found, IME, that puppies can be pretty resilient when
it comes to maturing past problems, etc.



Robin,
got any photos of the blue merle pom?
would love to see that.

--
BethF, Anchorage, AK

George Patterson July 10th 03 02:47 AM

ospam (Manadero) wrote in message ...

I've found, IME, that puppies can be
pretty resilient when it comes to maturing past problems, etc.

Good luck wih the Goldie girl

Robin


Thanks for the encouragement - and to everyone else who replied. The
good news news is Greta's grown 2 inches and gained over 4 pounds in
the last two weeks. The vet seemed impressed.


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