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Concern about 'Performatrin' dog food
"cshenk" wrote
"Jo Wolf" wrote My current 15 yo now has a "high normal" on BUN and creatinine, and the vet said to make no changes in his diet.... 34% Pro. He's healthy, very active, and has excellent muscle mass for age. Goes up stairs a lot faster than I do.... A "little deaf".... not unusual. Grin, Mabel gets total 'high=good' on this one. It's one of several reasons why we elected to have her dental work done. It looks like just maybe, this elderly lady if well cared for now, may have several years in her yet if they've nipped what may have been cancer. Aunti Mabel Anne has fully recovered and is back on her normal ground RMB with treats. She'd started trying to sneak Cash's bone into her room for the night so she has one of her own size in there now. Being smaller and much smaller jawed, the big ones he gets she can just nose into her area and he tends to pick them up and walk back with them (grin). She instead gets the meaty rib bones which she can carry and hold easier in her paws as she knarfs them. She's obviously feeling better. Spent most of the morning grabbing Cash toys and dropping them on him then playing tug-o-war. Her favorite is a rope with 2 knots and she will trail it before him until he grabs the other end and starts a mock-war. Hush your giggling now. It's nap-time! |
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Concern about 'Performatrin' dog food
On Feb 18, 5:00*pm, Bill Bell wrote:
My dog just got over a few weeks of kidney trouble. ... My apologies for being so long in responding! Thanks to everyone who offered advice, or at least read my request for help. I would like to report what happened. We talked to various knowledgeable people about our problem, as well as yourselves. Finally someone (can't remember who) suggested Royal Canin MediCal food based on duck. Within days, my dog's unquenchable thirst disappeared, as did his frequent need to urinate, and his urine's specific gravity popped back up to normal. We had to administer antibiotics to clear some bacteria from his urine for a few weeks but he's ok now. Anyway, thought you might like to know what happened in this case. Thanks you very much for your help. |
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Thanks for that follow-up!!!!!!!!!!! And glad to see that your dog is
now doing well. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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Hello Buglady,
I am now an old and retired person - which I truly love. My original comment was been pretty clear, protein is not the culprit, never has been - but divorcing the phosphorus that naturally comes in with nearly all proteins is just about impossible. High protein foods will almost always contain much higher levels of phos. You simply can't get down to the level of phosphorus well documented and proven to be effective, without reducing the protein as well. We can always point to examples that are contrary to what the evidence is. My great grandmother smoked until she died at 93 - that doesn't mean it's appropriate for everyone to smoke. I'm glad your cat made it to that age on high protein foods - but that's an "n" of 1 - like my 93 year old grandmother. The published studies and evidence are overwhelmingly in favor of reduced levels of phos, and increased levels of Omega 3 fatty acids for animals with renal failure. On Mar 7, 10:17*pm, "buglady" wrote: Good gravy Steve, most of your old posts are gone, thought you'd erased yourself! ..............And once again for the nineteenth billion time, the words high protein don't necessarily come into it. Restrict phosphorus, yes, restrict protein no. Let's all bow to Evidence Based Medicine! My moderate renal failure cat made it to 20.5 years w/o restriction of protein. buglady take out the dog before replying "Steve Crane" wrote in message ... There are three Grade 1 Evidence Based Medicine published studies that unequivocally prove that restricting phosphorus, restricting protein (the source of the vast majority of dietary phosphorus) and increasing Omega 3 fatty acids which protect renal tubules is hugely beneficial to dogs and cat which have renal failure. |
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Actually Purina has done some good work on a number of different
areas. Interestingly - their renal diet for dogs contains slightly less protein - and about the same amount of phosphorus as k/d. While the protein leve in NF is set about half a percent higher, the digestibility is quite a bit lower, thus to total protein available is slightly less than k/d. Purina obviously believes low protein and the low phos that comes with it are correct for renal failure dogs. On Mar 8, 5:22*pm, (Jo Wolf) wrote: Well, if Steve is still at Hill's, he wouldn't believe what I wrote because the research was done by Purina...... *{chuckle} *I'd forgotten that's where he worked when I used to come in here before. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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"Steve Crane" wrote in message ... Hello Buglady, I am now an old and retired person - which I truly love. ..........Well good! Hope you enjoy yourself. Too many don't know how to after they retire. .. I'm glad your cat made it to that age on high protein foods - but that's an "n" of 1 - .............Most people only care about the "n"s in their household! buglady take out the dog before replying |
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"Bill Bell" wrote in message ... Finally someone (can't remember who) suggested Royal Canin MediCal food based on duck. Within days, my dog's unquenchable thirst disappeared, as did his frequent need to urinate, and his urine's specific gravity popped back up to normal. We had to administer antibiotics to clear some bacteria from his urine for a few weeks but he's ok now. ..............Thanks for posting back - glad to hear your pup is doing well. I'll just say, though, that you may not want to stay on a prescription diet forever, especially if it's some kind of renal diet. There may be no need. I couldn't find any kind of Medi-cal food with duck except the hypoallergenic. Is this what your pup is on? buglady take out the dog before replying |
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On Mar 30, 6:25*pm, "buglady" wrote:
I'll just say, though, that you may not want to stay on a prescription diet forever, especially if it's some kind of renal diet. *There may be no need. I couldn't find any kind of Medi-cal food with duck except the hypoallergenic. *Is this what your pup is on? Yes, that's right. Forgot to mention that. It might be important too. We give him biweekly injections that have been formulated by a specialist against various allergens. Bill |
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"Bill Bell" wrote in message ... On Mar 30, 6:25 pm, "buglady" wrote: I'll just say, though, that you may not want to stay on a prescription diet forever, especially if it's some kind of renal diet. There may be no need. I couldn't find any kind of Medi-cal food with duck except the hypoallergenic. Is this what your pup is on? Yes, that's right. Forgot to mention that. It might be important too. We give him biweekly injections that have been formulated by a specialist against various allergens. .............Ah, OK! buglady take out the dog before replying |
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Hi. I had West Highland White Terrier on Medi-cal (various) her whole short life. Bless her, she was hit by a truck at age 7, but she thrived on that product line.
I adopted 2 surrendered Westies, half-sisters (& unbelievably half sisters of my Betty), one of which has TERRIBLE skin allergies - partly why they were surrendered. 'WESTIES IN NEED' got the weeping sores under control & sent them to me with a dry kibble called PULSAR. It's made in Saskatchewan and contains fish & 'pulses', i dunno, something to do with beansprouts and lentilsprouts, and vitamins. That's it. It does NOT smell fishy. It is not more expensive than other quality foods. Problem, if it is one, is that you can only buy it at Global Petfood & not all of them carry it, but if you buy it regularly, they'll get it in. She still has summer allergies but has never had the yeast, sores, etc. I DO wash her every week with special shampoo. raw meat. I contacted the Veterinary College at the University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada to ask them about that. Their response was that if my animals ever needed their services (& MaggIe has broken and cracked teeth), they WOULD NOT be able to let them in because of the bacteria they're subjected to from raw meat (it could potentially contaminate sensItive areas/animals/people at the University). My opinion is, if it's not okay for the University of Guelph, School of Veterinary Medicine, it's good enough for me. Furthermore, two vets told me that Maggie's dental issues may stem from chewing hard bones. |
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