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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:51:13 GMT, Robin Nuttall
wrote: sighthounds & siberians wrote: On 15 Feb 2009 12:36:27 -0500, (Melinda Shore) wrote: I don't know the statistics, but Dale isn't the only one who thinks Dr. Dodds overdiagnoses hypothyroidism. Dr. Dodds is generally not well thought of in the veterinary research community. She's also very animal rights oriented (is a member of AVAR, has testified in favor of breed bans, etc.) She is, as I understand it, primary author of AVAR's list of canine genetic diseases, which is wildly inaccurate and misleading, in that they take every possible name for a disease and count it separately. As an example, the list shows that Dobermans have Wobblers Disease, Cervical Vertebral Instability, and Cervical spondyloarthropathy. It lists those as three different Doberman diseases, yet it's all one disease. The list also takes ANY problem ANY individual member of a breed has and extrapolates that to a general breed genetic disease issue. There are, unfortunately, greyhound rescue groups that advocate putting every greyhound that is shy or has bald thighs on thyroid supplement on the basis of a T4. There's a large national group that sells Soloxine - you don't even need to get a script from your vet! Hypothyroidism is greatly overdiagnosed in ex-racers and Dr. Dodds' opinions on hypothyroidism are often spouted as basis for treatment. |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
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sighthounds & siberians wrote: Numbers and probabilites are great, but the above odds aren't good enough for me when we're talking about diagnostics - not for my doctors and myself and not for my vets and my animals. I made up the odds as an example of a very high false positive rate. With a number that high, 40% of her positives are false positives, but any given dog she diagnoses as hypothyroid is still probably hypothyroid. I don't know what her actual false positive rate is. I'd be surprised if it were that high or higher and she still had her license. Is there some thought that over half of her diagnoses are incorrect? I'm super-careful too, but I trust my vets. I can't imagine going to a vet I didn't, but I gather from the posts here a lot of people have a crappy relationship with their veterinarian, which surprises me. Anyway, last year during a routine workup Saber was found to be hypothyroid, which surprised me a lot because he was completely asymptomatic. The vet sent the sample off to Michigan State and they confirmed it, so we put him on thyroxine for a month and retested and everything looked normal on the medication. Being aware of the probabilities doesn't mean that you're less diligent, but it does mean that you shouldn't run around dismissing individual diagnoses out-of-hand. [Image says "boingy boingy boingy" It's getting near suppertime] -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
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"Alison" wrote: It's ok I found it. I can't believe some of the answers! alison What specifically? Just curious. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
Kathleen said in
rec.pets.dogs.health: I am a firm believer in the seat of the pants, the pit of the stomach, the back of the neck. If you think something is wrong, even subtly, get it checked. That was going to be the gist of my reply to Dale and I'm happy to not have to write it. After Rocky's onset, I would have had a thyroid panel done (many on the epilepsy lists are huge Dodds fans) if it hadn't been obvious that Rocky's epilepsy wasn't secondary. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
"Janet Boss" wrote in message
... What specifically? Just curious. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Some like this - (different authors) "I've dealt with some big dogs with aggression issues, and how I react is very specific to the dog itself. With some dogs, I've put my foot on the back of their neck and used pressure to pin them to the ground. With others, I've picked them up by the scruff, rolled them onto their back, straddled them while holding the head down by the fur on the neck." "As I said before, almost ALL puppies will growl at you to test what their limits are with you. And that is NOT TO BE TOLERATED. I would bet that he did just that as a puppy, and was not called on it. If a puppy growls at me, I will grab him by the scruff of his neck and growl right in his face. If he wants to do it as a bigger dog, I will hang him if need be, or otherwise use physical force to let him know that I am the pack leader, not him. And, if you have the rare dog that won't let up, no matter what the correction, I would advise you to euthanize the animal" "Okay, to be blunt: If your dog bites you, BEFORE you go clean up the bite, you swat that creature across the room" You are Mother Theresa in comparison. LOL. Nice to see some old names there. Does anyone keep in touch with Diane Blackman? I thought Nancy Holmes' reply was a good one. Alison |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
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"Alison" wrote: Some like this - (different authors) snip quotes You are Mother Theresa in comparison. LOL. I admit that I didn't look at the entire thread, but don't remember those quotes. I'll have to look and see who wrote them. I'm better Mother Theresa has a limit on what crap she'd put up with too. Biting is pretty big crap! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Blood Work for a dog with Seizures.. or Hannah's liver test was high....
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sighthounds & siberians wrote: Fortunately, there is mutual respect so that we can learn from each other. Right, but if your vet said "Your dog could be hypothyroid," would you blow him or her off? And suppertime is always a good time. Music almost got fed twice the other night; you should have seen his face when I dumped the second dinner. How is Image? A good sign that she can boing. She likes winter a lot and seems to be going through a good phase. Sometimes she has problems getting up the porch stairs and other times she floats up them. She's still got no control over her crapper and that's a problem but we're dealing with it. We're taking it day-by-day, and as long as she still loves to eat (and *boy* does she love to eat) and seems to be enjoying herself, we're all good. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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