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Torn dew claw
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:21:39 GMT, "pfoley"
wrote: You sure sound like an angry person to me, no matter who you respond to. Plus, he thinks dogs have thumbs. G |
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Torn dew claw
"pfoley" wrote in message nk.net... Dew claws are not necessary and do tear and bleed if caught on things; ........uhm, if dewclaws are not necessary why do dogs have them? Ears tear and bleed too if caught on things. In all the years I've had dogs, never has a dewclaw caught on anything and bled. And my dogs have always had a place to run - field, woods, etc., so they certainly had a greater chance of getting their *dewclaws caught on something*. Whether or not your rescue group required them to be taken off is totally beside the point. I can't imagine why they did as it seems silly and unnecessary to me. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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Torn dew claw
"pfoley" wrote:
My dog had no problem having it done. I don't think any joint was cut. She was in and out in a few hours and healed fast. She did not limp or was in any pain. Then, perhaps, when you asked why that particular dog needed its dews removed, the answer was specific to that dog. Not all dogs. Or even most dogs. Just your dog. Dew claws are not necessary Not true. They seem to provide a mechanical advantage to dogs whose work includes turns at speed (agility, herding). and do tear and bleed if caught on things; shrug One of my dogs got a toenail caught in something on the floor. The nail was pretty much ripped off the pulp. you don't have to remove your dew claws if you don't want to. My vet and the rescue wanted it done on my dog. For reasons specific to your dog. Generalizing that to all dogs is poor logic. |
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"Mary Healey" wrote in message .4... "pfoley" wrote: My dog had no problem having it done. I don't think any joint was cut. She was in and out in a few hours and healed fast. She did not limp or was in any pain. Then, perhaps, when you asked why that particular dog needed its dews removed, the answer was specific to that dog. Not all dogs. Or even most dogs. Just your dog. Dew claws are not necessary Not true. They seem to provide a mechanical advantage to dogs whose work includes turns at speed (agility, herding). and do tear and bleed if caught on things; shrug One of my dogs got a toenail caught in something on the floor. The nail was pretty much ripped off the pulp. you don't have to remove your dew claws if you don't want to. My vet and the rescue wanted it done on my dog. For reasons specific to your dog. Generalizing that to all dogs is poor logic. ================== Maybe so, but I was answering the OP's question to the following, which somehow has been forgotten: snip Anyone ever have the dew claws surgically removed to prevent future injuries? Thanks end of snip My response was, yes, and I stated the reason why. Her chihuauha mix will probably not be used in herding or agility, and if the dog is having tears in the dew claw, maybe if the vet thinks it should be removed, then maybe it should be removed; that is all I am saying. I would tend to go with the opinion of the vet. If owners do not think dew claws should be removed and are having no problems with them, it is up to them to decide what to do with them. If you think they are so necessary, why aren't all dogs born with dew claws? What do all those other poor dogs do minus their dew claws? Maybe everyone should direct their strong personal opinions to the OP instead of the responder all the time. Then, the OP could make up his/her own mind what to do. If everyone just sits around and waits to pounce on the responder whenever someone asks a question; no one will ask a question and no one will want to respond. I am the only person who responded to the OP. It is an open forum here and everyone can express his/her own opinion, and that was my experience with dew claws. Wouldn't it be more advantageous to the OP if everyone just stated their own opinions and ideas to the OP, instead of trying to start something with a responder, whom they disagree with. |
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Torn dew claw
In article .net,
pfoley wrote: It is an open forum here and everyone can express his/her own opinion, and that was my experience with dew claws. Wouldn't it be more advantageous to the OP if everyone just stated their own opinions and ideas to the OP, instead of trying to start something with a responder, whom they disagree with. No. If someone really doesn't know anything about the topic at hand they generally are not in a position to do a good job evaluating the accuracy of information they're being given. Case in point: you swallowed that nonsense from the Rottweiler rescue group about dewclaws catching on "everything" and therefore needing to be amputated. You were given lousy information and you didn't have the background to recognize it as lousy information. I gather that what you're really asking for here is license to continue handing out misinformation without being held responsible for it. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Torn dew claw
"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article .net, pfoley wrote: It is an open forum here and everyone can express his/her own opinion, and that was my experience with dew claws. Wouldn't it be more advantageous to the OP if everyone just stated their own opinions and ideas to the OP, instead of trying to start something with a responder, whom they disagree with. No. If someone really doesn't know anything about the topic at hand they generally are not in a position to do a good job evaluating the accuracy of information they're being given. Case in point: you swallowed that nonsense from the Rottweiler rescue group about dewclaws catching on "everything" and therefore needing to be amputated. You were given lousy information and you didn't have the background to recognize it as lousy information. I gather that what you're really asking for here is license to continue handing out misinformation without being held responsible for it. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community ======== You are a piece of work. I don't appreciate you calling me an idiot or stating that the rescue group doesn't know anything. I guess I should have asked you first what to do before I adopted my dog from this rescue group that has rehomed hundreds of Rottweilers to good homes and went down and saved about a hundred more dogs from Katrina and taking in more Katrina dogs next week because they could not find suitable or good owners for these Katrina Rottweilers, or maybe I shouldn't have listened to the veterinarian they sent her to; do you suppose everyone is ignorant, but you? This rescue group has been saving Rottweiler dogs for years now and are very knowledgeable about dogs. They work closely with veterinarians all the time to insure the dogs are in the best health possible, no matter what the cost before releasing them to good homes. They inspect the homes and back yards of the prospective owner; they make sure you take the dog to obedience training classes; the family has to match up to the dog. This group knows all about dogs and gives them the best possible treatment at all times. It was the vet that told me the reason they sometimes remove them. Maybe hers had been torn and infected before I got her; maybe the rescue group has seen too many tears and infections on Rottys that had dew claws; who knows; I just listened to the experts. She was not even really mine yet when they had that done, and she had no problems having it done and does not seem to miss them! |
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In article et,
pfoley wrote: I just listened to the experts. Well, either they led you astray or you misunderstood what they were saying (I agree that you should remove dewclaws that are only being held on by skin and ligament, and perhaps that's what they may have been talking about). People are making decisions about their dog's health based on stuff they read here, and while it may be advantageous to you to let misinformation go unchallenged, it's not good for the dogs. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Torn dew claw
"pfoley" wrote:
Maybe so, but I was answering the OP's question to the following, which somehow has been forgotten: snip Anyone ever have the dew claws surgically removed to prevent future injuries? Thanks end of snip My response was, yes, and I stated the reason why. Your response was "I think it is best to remove them as they catch on to everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become infected if torn open." You didn't say "My vet says" until after you were challenged. Her chihuauha mix will probably not be used in herding or agility, The fact remains, dogs *do* use their dews. You said, "Dew claws are not necessary" and sometimes they are. and if the dog is having tears in the dew claw, maybe if the vet thinks it should be removed, The OP didn't mention a vet. Only a groomer. then maybe it should be removed; that is all I am saying. That may be what you think you're saying, but the funny thing is, you're not saying it. You're saying "I think all dogs should have their dews removed" and, when challenged, you wibble around with "well, my vet says" or "well, the rescue says". I would tend to go with the opinion of the vet. Then perhaps your advice ought to have been, "Ask your vet", eh? If owners do not think dew claws should be removed and are having no problems with them, it is up to them to decide what to do with them. If you think they are so necessary, why aren't all dogs born with dew claws? If dews are so unnecessary, why are some born with them? Why do some breeds require double dews? What do all those other poor dogs do minus their dew claws? Slide from lack of traction, probably. |
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"Mary Healey" wrote in message .4... "pfoley" wrote: Maybe so, but I was answering the OP's question to the following, which somehow has been forgotten: snip Anyone ever have the dew claws surgically removed to prevent future injuries? Thanks end of snip My response was, yes, and I stated the reason why. Your response was "I think it is best to remove them as they catch on to everything and tear and then bleed and possibly become infected if torn open." You didn't say "My vet says" until after you were challenged. Her chihuauha mix will probably not be used in herding or agility, The fact remains, dogs *do* use their dews. You said, "Dew claws are not necessary" and sometimes they are. and if the dog is having tears in the dew claw, maybe if the vet thinks it should be removed, The OP didn't mention a vet. Only a groomer. then maybe it should be removed; that is all I am saying. That may be what you think you're saying, but the funny thing is, you're not saying it. You're saying "I think all dogs should have their dews removed" and, when challenged, you wibble around with "well, my vet says" or "well, the rescue says". I would tend to go with the opinion of the vet. Then perhaps your advice ought to have been, "Ask your vet", eh? If owners do not think dew claws should be removed and are having no problems with them, it is up to them to decide what to do with them. If you think they are so necessary, why aren't all dogs born with dew claws? If dews are so unnecessary, why are some born with them? Why do some breeds require double dews? What do all those other poor dogs do minus their dew claws? Slide from lack of traction, probably. Don't be so petty; I said it many times and in many different ways; I think my message was very clear. People get information from different experts; I got mine from the vet; sorry I didn't state that I got it from the vet in the first message; do you always state where you found all your information when answering a message. If I didn't make it clear in the first message I am sure they got it later on after the abundance of messages questioning and attacking me. |
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Torn dew claw
"pfoley" wrote :
...People get information from different experts; I got mine from the vet; My vet refuses to take the dews off most dogs. She's very firm in her opinion that removing them is unnecessary in most cases. Supplementing that expert opinion, I've also seen my dogs use their front dews to manipulate toys and chewies. The come in with mud on their dews after a rabbit (squirrel, chipmunk, cat) chase, or a vigorous round of frisbee. Dewclaw trivia: "The Lundehund certainly has the most interesting feet in dogdom. Small- bodied for agility among the rocks, the breed has been selected for polydactylism (supernumerary toes), so that it has at least two large functional dewclaws and up to eight plantar cushions per foot." from http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/LUNDEHUND.htm The AKC Briard standard says: "two dewclaws are required on each rear leg, placed low on the leg, giving a wide base to the foot. Occasionally the nail may break off completely. The dog shall not be penalized for the missing nail so long as the digit itself is present. Ideally the dewclaws form additional functioning toes. Disqualification --anything less than two dewclaws on each rear leg." ...If I didn't make it clear in the first message I am sure they got it later on after the abundance of messages questioning and attacking me. So now you understand why your replies are questioned -- the information you provide initially is incomplete. |
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