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Old December 19th 08, 03:10 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary[_6_]
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Is this even possible I wonder? I've fed raw meat/fish to
several dogs over the years. Every one thrived on it. The
difference in attitude was tremendous. Training them becomes so
much easier when you reward with meat. "Treats" are absurd. You
give the dog food when its hungry. I do wonder why people treat
dogs like children. They ain't children in any way, shape or
form.

Anyway, as a raw foodist vegan for several years I would love to
rid myself of animal products in the home if possible. I sprout
a lot and have been able to feed dogs sprouted
grains/lentils/beans but they are definitely not enthusiastic
about it. I look at vegan dog websites and 99.99% of them are
there to instill fear, then sell you their goods. All we need as
dog owners is a list of foods that can replace meat/fish. 2 high
fat foods I notice dogs seem to enjoy are avocados and coconuts
(new, young coconuts that are white on the outside and inside -
for those of you not living in the tropics, not the hairy brown
ones with rock hard coconut meat on the inside - the meat should
be soft and sweet.) As dogs seem to enjoy foods high in fat,
what about nuts? Nutritional yeast could be added too as its
high in B12 which might be deficient in a vegan diet. Another
option that is almost as good is to feed your dog mostly vegan
and perhaps once a week, feed some meat or fish. Its sure a lot
easier than stocking that stuff on a regular basis.

PS....Until we see animals cooking their food in the wild, let's
just not consider cooking anything please. Its absurd and one of
man's greatest errors. I struggled with junk food for years
until the day I went raw. That was the last day I ate a single
gram of processed/cooked/junk food. That was several years ago.

One of the problems dog owners face is most of them (95% of them
in my area) are in horrible physical shape. Most dog owners are
settled and older and never run their dogs. Why? Because they
themselves can't run! Now if you can't stress your dogs exercise
potential, how are you going to see changes in their
cardiovascular health? Dogs need to RUN - not walk at our
leisurely pace. Your dog can be a merciless personal trainer if
you give them a chance. They are great teachers and are masters
at interval training. Google it. You will find a huge
percentage of personal trainers now advocate it for optimum
cardiovascular workouts these days. Think of all the money you
will save in Personal Training costs by having a dog?

If you don't stress your dog with exercise, you won't notice how
dehydrated he might be as well. When I walk other people's dogs,
I'm amazed at how thirsty they are all the time. My dogs are
never like that. Yes the drink, but only after copious exercise.
If you don't Dehydrate your dog, you don't need to Hydrate your
dog. Same principle with people. Stop the poison of salt and
you won't need all that water. Your dog will need to urinate a
fraction of the amount as before once you rid salt out of your
dog's life.
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Old December 19th 08, 04:03 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
Gary wrote:
Anyway, as a raw foodist vegan for several years I would love to
rid myself of animal products in the home if possible. I sprout
a lot and have been able to feed dogs sprouted
grains/lentils/beans but they are definitely not enthusiastic
about it. I look at vegan dog websites and 99.99% of them are
there to instill fear, then sell you their goods. All we need as
dog owners is a list of foods that can replace meat/fish.


No, not really. You need both quality ingredients and
quality nutrition. I do know a dog who lost its eyesight to
malnutrition because the owner concocted his own diet and it
wasn't nutritionally complete. Fat is a great energy source
but a high-fat diet can give the dog a lot of energy and a
great coat, both of which can mask other nutritional
deficiencies. It's a lot easier to put together a shitty
diet than to put together a good one.

And thanks for the lectures! They were *fascinating*.
I'm so glad that we've got another all-ologist here.
Can't have too many, that's what I always say. In fact,
just the other day I was telling my dogs that the world
needs more people who deliver context-free uninvited
lectures to strangers. That's the ticket. Thanks again!
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Old December 19th 08, 06:08 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
...

For a second, my brain read that as "content-free uninvited
lectures..."


Potayto, potawto....
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Old December 19th 08, 08:05 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary[_6_]
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Anyway, as a raw foodist vegan for several years I would love to
rid myself of animal products in the home if possible. I sprout
a lot and have been able to feed dogs sprouted
grains/lentils/beans but they are definitely not enthusiastic
about it. I look at vegan dog websites and 99.99% of them are
there to instill fear, then sell you their goods. All we need as
dog owners is a list of foods that can replace meat/fish.


No, not really. You need both quality ingredients and
quality nutrition.


If food is fresh, its both, is it not? Why do people think that
pet food business have some sort of magic ingredients that we
cannot possibly replicate?

I do know a dog who lost its eyesight to
malnutrition because the owner concocted his own diet and it
wasn't nutritionally complete. Fat is a great energy source
but a high-fat diet can give the dog a lot of energy and a
great coat, both of which can mask other nutritional
deficiencies. It's a lot easier to put together a shitty
diet than to put together a good one.


So why not suggest something?

And thanks for the lectures! They were *fascinating*.
I'm so glad that we've got another all-ologist here.
Can't have too many, that's what I always say. In fact,
just the other day I was telling my dogs that the world
needs more people who deliver context-free uninvited
lectures to strangers. That's the ticket. Thanks again!


So why not suggest something?
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Old December 19th 08, 08:44 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Sharon Too
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So why not suggest something?

I'll tell the little old lady in a wheelchair next door to get right on the
raw food deal for her dog - her only family.


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Old December 19th 08, 10:32 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
Gary wrote:
If food is fresh, its both, is it not? Why do people think that
pet food business have some sort of magic ingredients that we
cannot possibly replicate?


It's not that they have magic ingredients, it's that it's
their business to make food. Not all are equally good.
Just as not everybody's good at what they do, not every
commercial dog food is good. But some are very good indeed.

We know that there are some appalling diseases caused by
dietary imbalances that really don't have as much to do with
the quality of the ingredients as they do with
improper/incomplete nutrition. Two obvious ones include
scurvy and rickets. In the mid-to-late 19th century it was
thought that scurvy was caused by lack of fresh food, and
it's not. It's vitamin C. There's also kwashiorkor, caused
by inadequate protein (which can also cause mental
retardation), anemia, osteoporosis, pellagra, and on and on
and on.

So why not suggest something?


I did suggest something. I suggested that you not hurt your
dog by throwing together a nutritionally inadequate diet.

I'm sympathetic. I don't know how anyone who knows how
livestock are raised in the US can go out and buy grocery
store meat or dairy, or eat fast food. But I also don't
know how someone can choose to keep a dog or dogs and not
take proper care of them. If you believe that we have an
obligation to animals in preventing their suffering, you
need to take their nutrition seriously.
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Old December 19th 08, 11:14 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary[_6_]
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In article , "Sharon Too" wrote:

So why not suggest something?


I'll tell the little old lady in a wheelchair next door to get right on the
raw food deal for her dog - her only family.


If people can buy meat for themselves, why not for their dog? And don't say
its about money. Anybody can afford it if you shop around. Chicken necks,
backs, organs, beef trim, etc are all very cheap. Remove coffee, tobacco,
alcohol, snack foods, pop, etc and your health will skyrocket. 99% of the
population wastes money on those things. So 99% of the population can
afford meat for their dog. The good thing is that a dog eats far less
when the meal isn't almost all filler. Don't think for a second that a meat
byproduct is actually meat.
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Old December 19th 08, 11:23 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary[_6_]
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If food is fresh, its both, is it not? Why do people think that
pet food business have some sort of magic ingredients that we
cannot possibly replicate?


It's not that they have magic ingredients, it's that it's
their business to make food. Not all are equally good.
Just as not everybody's good at what they do, not every
commercial dog food is good. But some are very good indeed.


They are just mixing ingredients anybody can buy themselves!
How can consumers be such dopes? Do you pay someone to change
your light bulbs when they burn out at home? How about
emptying the trash? Flushing the toilet? Its the same.

We know that there are some appalling diseases caused by
dietary imbalances that really don't have as much to do with
the quality of the ingredients as they do with
improper/incomplete nutrition. Two obvious ones include
scurvy and rickets. In the mid-to-late 19th century it was
thought that scurvy was caused by lack of fresh food, and
it's not. It's vitamin C. There's also kwashiorkor, caused
by inadequate protein (which can also cause mental
retardation), anemia, osteoporosis, pellagra, and on and on
and on.


Scurvy...interesting. The solution to that was put forth for
decades before anybody listened. You know the slang expression
for British (Limeys?) Its because a British guy found out that
a little bit of lime every day prevented scurvy. But the medical
profession scoffed. Just like vets nowadays scoff at raw food.

So why not suggest something?


I did suggest something. I suggested that you not hurt your
dog by throwing together a nutritionally inadequate diet.


I'd say don't feed trash in the form of commercial dog food
to your helpless pet and condemn them to a life of joint
problems, digestive problems, heart issues and who knows
what else. All because weak people are too stubborn to
try something new. Because they can't think for themselves.

I'm sympathetic. I don't know how anyone who knows how
livestock are raised in the US can go out and buy grocery
store meat or dairy, or eat fast food. But I also don't
know how someone can choose to keep a dog or dogs and not
take proper care of them. If you believe that we have an
obligation to animals in preventing their suffering, you
need to take their nutrition seriously.


I do. That's why dogs in my care never drink tap water,
never eat processed or cooked foods, everything is fresh,
and they exercise well. And they are never left alone for
long periods of time.

The real problem here is most pet owners don't know what
kind of food to put in their own mouths. So how can they
possibly realize that they are killing their beloved pets
by their own ignorance. 99% of dog owners are physical
basket cases who couldn't sprint a mile or 2 if their
life depended on it. THAT is the essence of the problem.
They wouldn't know health if it bit them.
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Old December 19th 08, 01:48 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
Gary wrote:
They are just mixing ingredients anybody can buy themselves!


Not always, actually, unless they're willing to buy in
quantity. But it's not the mixing that's the issue, it's
the balancing.

Scurvy...interesting. The solution to that was put forth for
decades before anybody listened. You know the slang expression
for British (Limeys?) Its because a British guy found out that
a little bit of lime every day prevented scurvy. But the medical
profession scoffed.


That's actually false. As in, you've got your facts wrong.
And once again, just because everybody thinks you're an
idiot it doesn't mean you're Galileo. It means you're
probably an idiot.

You seem to be determined to go ahead and put together a
diet for your dog without bothering to learn anything about
nutrition. That's your business. See ya.
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