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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)



 
 
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Old March 14th 11, 11:52 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
George Plimpton
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Default pet food cattle??? Yes, indeed!

On 3/14/2011 5:22 PM, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".


If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.


Vegans aren't much on reality, but if they were they should be able to
figure out that no cattle lived and died because of cat food based on fish.


You ****ing idiot.

Cats, of course, eat plenty of beef-based food.


Well done, Harrison.


What you don't appreciate or like to think about, and possibly don't accept
even to yourself, is the fact that the anti-eliminationists are the ones who are
honest and encourage acceptance of the truth.


Nope - you keep saying that "getting to experience life" is a benefit,
and it isn't, so the fact you keep saying it means you're lying, which
means you hate the truth.
  #2  
Old March 15th 11, 01:22 AM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
dh@.
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".


If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.


Vegans aren't much on reality, but if they were they should be able to
figure out that no cattle lived and died because of cat food based on fish.
Probably no fish did either. How about beef cat food, if there is such? No,
probably no cattle live and die because of beef cat food either. Parts of some
that live and die do end up in cat food, but it's unlikely that any live and die
because of it.

Well done, Harrison.


What you don't appreciate or like to think about, and possibly don't accept
even to yourself, is the fact that the anti-eliminationists are the ones who are
honest and encourage acceptance of the truth. That's because we're not opposed
to reality. It's you eliminationists who are, and who wish you could change it.
There are probably no cattle raised for pet food which would mean the Goober is
lying again, and if you care about reality to any degree at all you should
accept that. Remember between you and Goo you have not been able to find any
example(s) of cattle raised for pet food. That should mean something to you too.
Here are some numbers:

"The total number of cattle and calves in the U.S. on January 1, 2011, was 92.6
million head"
http://agebb.missouri.edu/mkt/bull12c.htm

"On February 2, 2010, the United States Census Bureau Population Clock listed
308,603,513"
http://www.numberof.net/number-of-people-in-the-u-s/

"There are approximately 77.5 million owned dogs in the United States"
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...tatistics.html

"There are approximately 93.6 million owned cats in the United States"
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...tatistics.html

Do you think that if 93~million cattle feed 309~million people, there's enough
by-product left over to combine with vegetable by-product and feed 78~million
dogs and 94~million cats? I sure do. And that's not factoring in pork, and
chicken, and FISH! So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food. It's not vegan, but buying it doesn't contribute
to life for cattle, or chickens, or even for fish. The only animals that might
live because of pet food are horses imo, but I doubt it happens often if at all
even for them.
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Old March 15th 11, 02:26 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
Derek
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".


If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.


There are probably no cattle raised for pet food

...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.


Gee, thanks Dave.
  #4  
Old March 15th 11, 03:16 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
George Plimpton
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Default pet food cattle???

On 3/14/2011 5:22 PM, dh@. wrote:

they should be able to
figure out that no cattle lived and died because of cat food based on fish.


chortle

How about beef cat food, if there is such? No, probably no cattle live and
die because of beef cat food either.


"Probably" - in other words, you don't have a ****ing clue.


Parts of some
that live and die do end up in cat food, but it's unlikely that any live and die
because of it.


"Unlikely" - you're just guessing. You don't have a ****ing clue.



Well done, Harrison.


[...]

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food


More wild, unfounded guessing. In fact, the sheer numbers of dogs and
cats, and the sheer quantity of beef they eat, means "probably" there
are cattle raised for pet food. It all depends on what pet owners are
willing to pay for pet food, and when you look at the price of premium
pet food, it's entirely plausible that some animals are, indeed, raised
for pet food.

Do you think that if 93~million cattle feed 309~million people, there's enough
by-product left over to combine with vegetable by-product and feed 78~million
dogs and 94~million cats? I sure do.


You think a lot of crazy ****. You also think that livestock animals
pre-exist, and that they can experience complex emotions that they can't.
  #5  
Old March 15th 11, 06:50 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".

If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food

...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.


Gee, thanks Dave.


You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider
buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat
flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess
you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent
farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as
practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and
scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice
treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬)


Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting.

  #6  
Old March 15th 11, 07:52 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
dh@.
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".

If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.


There are probably no cattle raised for pet food

...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.


Gee, thanks Dave.


You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider
buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat
flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess
you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent
farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as
practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and
scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice
treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬)
  #7  
Old March 15th 11, 08:16 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
Derek
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".

If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food

...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.


Gee, thanks Dave.


You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider
buying some cage free eggs for them too


I don't have a cat. I have a dog, but I never feed him
pet food. We always make an extra portion of
whatever vegetarian foods we're eating and give him
that at the same time to stop him bothering us when
we're having ours. But of course, if you're of the
opinion that no animals are raised and killed for pet
food, I'm not going to try changing it.
  #8  
Old March 15th 11, 09:43 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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Default pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:33:46 -0700, dh@. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:50:22 -0400, sighthounds & siberians wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".

If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food
...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.

Gee, thanks Dave.

You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider
buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat
flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess
you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent
farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as
practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and
scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice
treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬)


Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting.


Tell us why we should bow down to you as our accepted net nanny.


I don't know; maybe because you were asked nicely, since this is
off-topic? Maybe because you're trying to disprove the saying "on the
internet, nobody knows you're an asshole"?

  #9  
Old March 15th 11, 10:15 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
George Plimpton
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Default pet food cattle???

On 3/15/2011 1:43 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:33:46 -0700, dh@. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:50:22 -0400, sighthounds& wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote:

Also it
seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be
pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any
more examples of it than "Derek".

If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food
doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter,
vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals
were killed for the production of their purchase.

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food
...
So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death
for cattle by buying cat food.

Gee, thanks Dave.

You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider
buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat
flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess
you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent
farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as
practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and
scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice
treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬)

Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting.


Tell us why we should bow down to you as our accepted net nanny.


I don't know; maybe because you were asked nicely, since this is
off-topic? Maybe because you're trying to disprove the saying "on the
internet, nobody knows you're an asshole"?


On the internet, *everybody* knows that 'dh@.', better known as ****wit
David Harrison, is a thorough asshole, and a liar, and someone who has
no regard whatever for animal welfare.

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Old March 15th 11, 10:22 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,misc.rural,rec.pets.cats.community,rec.pets.dogs.health
George Plimpton
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Default pet food cattle???

****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, and a
goddamned HIV-oozing faggot, lied:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:16:20 -0700, George Plimpton beat ****wit bloody again:

On 3/14/2011 5:22 PM, dh@. wrote:

they should be able to
figure out that no cattle lived and died because of cat food based on fish.


chortle


Most people should be able to at least figure out that much


guffaw


How about beef cat food, if there is such? No, probably no cattle live and
die because of beef cat food either.


"Probably" - in other words, you don't have a ****ing clue.


There doesn't appear to be any reason why they should


In other words, you don't have a ****ing clue. Your reasoning skills
are non-existent.

In fact, it is patently obvious to people who can think that the amount
of beef and other animal meat fed to pets *necessarily* means that some
of them only exist because of the demand for pet food. If that demand
weren't there, farmers and ranchers would breed fewer livestock animals.


Parts of some
that live and die do end up in cat food, but it's unlikely that any live and die
because of it.


"Unlikely" - you're just guessing.


So are you


Nope. I am analyzing; you are merely guessing, and you are guessing
based on abject ignorance.


You don't have a ****ing clue.


How long do you want people to think cattle are raised just to be pet food,
and why would anyone believe you about it?


That's another ****wittism, ****wit - thanks!



Well done, Harrison.


[...]

There are probably no cattle raised for pet food


More wild, unfounded guessing.


It's the same guess


Exactly. Repetition doesn't enhance it in any way, ****wit.


In fact, the sheer numbers of dogs and
cats, and the sheer quantity of beef they eat, means "probably" there
are cattle raised for pet food. It all depends on what pet owners are
willing to pay for pet food, and when you look at the price of premium
pet food, it's entirely plausible that some animals are, indeed, raised
for pet food.


Maybe some horses, but probably not even them.


More ignorant guesswork chortle


Do you think that if 93~million cattle feed 309~million people, there's enough
by-product left over to combine with vegetable by-product and feed 78~million
dogs and 94~million cats? I sure do.


You think a lot of crazy ****.


What breeds of cattle do you think are raised just to be pet food


Another ****wittism! Ha ha ha ha ha!


You also think that livestock animals pre-exist,


That's obviously a lie since


It is not, of course, a lie: you think livestock animals pre-exist.
*Necessarily* you think that, ****wit.


and that they can experience complex emotions that they can't.


Any person reading this who has been around animals for any period of time
should be able to give you examples of animals anticipating.


Wrong sense of the word, ****wit. I've already instructed you in that.
 




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