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Microchipping your pets
Rocky wrote in
: Rocky and Friday both have Avid chips, too; Rocky for 8.5 years (chipped before 7 weeks old), Friday for at least 5 years That's not possible. Friday can't be a day over 1.5 years old. Time isn't moving THAT fast, is it? Holy crap. Tara |
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Microchipping your pets
Tara said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
That's not possible. Friday can't be a day over 1.5 years old. Almost six years old is wonderful, though I stand by four being the perfect age. Time isn't moving THAT fast, is it? Holy crap. Yes it is. Time is grabbing me within its vortex, too, and that sux. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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Microchipping your pets
now this is the only information I found about cancer and microchips.
"Shadow Walker" wrote in message ... If you have any questions about cancer and microchps read here. http://robprince.net/mrsa-pets/forum...&forumID=17656 MRSA infection in pets and animals forum number of replies (7) - Page 1 of 1 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Started by Janice IP Address 195.93.21.1 Posted: September 6, 2006 at 18:48 Tumors Caused by Pet Microchip ID's July 13, 2006 10:08 AM Tumors in Long-Term Rat Studies Associated with Microchip Animal Identification Devices. Elcock LE, Stuart BP, Wahle BS, Hoss HE, Crabb K, Millard DM, Mueller RE, Hastings TF, Lake SG. Bayer Corporation, Toxicology Department, Stilwell, Kansas 66085, USA. Tumors surrounding implanted microchip animal identification devices were noted in two separate chronic toxicity/oncogenicity studies using F344 rats. The tumors occurred at a low incidence rate (approximately 1 percent), but did result in the early sacrifice of most affected animals, due to tumor size and occasional metastases. No sex-related trends were noted. All tumors occurred during the second year of the studies, were located in the subcutaneous dorsal thoracic area (the site of microchip implantation) and contained embedded microchip devices. All were mesenchymal in origin and consisted of the following types, listed in order of frequency: malignant schwannoma, fibrosarcoma, anaplastic sarcoma, and histiocytic sarcoma. The following diagnostic techniques were employed: light microscopy, scanning electron microscopy, and immunohistochemistry. The mechanism of carcinogenicity appeared to be that of foreign-body induced tumorigenesis. PMID: 11256750 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17656 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #1 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 13:59 Having seen thousands of chipped animals and having never seen a tumour associated with one, one wonders how useful these data are. Rats are very prone to skin tumours some of which can be very large and would tend to encompass any chip sitting beneath the skin whether or not it had anything to do with its causation. It would be interesting to know the prevalence of skin tumours in a control group, but there doesn't seem to be one. Warrants more investigation. 17667 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #2 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 14:02 Further to the above. The thread title would be better to be "MICROCHIPS ASSOCIATED WITH CANCER" because that is what the study actually showed. This shows the easy danger of overstating the actual conclusions that can be drawn from any study. 17668 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #3 by Julie2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 11:28 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. If they can't use the rats studies to say what may happen in dogs then they shouldn't use rats - common sense dictates they don't even need to do the tests anyway as everyone knows the above statement to be how the body reacts to alien matter. 17763 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #4 by ex vet IP Address 62.253.96.47 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 21:44 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? I was in practice for most of 25 years, and I have never seen a reaction of any sort to an implanted microchip, or any assocaited tumours. 17774 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #5 by Julie-2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 23:03 Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? Yes, but it is only ink in fat cells, and these days you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid. 17775 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #6 by Ex vet IP Address 82.27.227.239 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 07:29 Julie-2, how do you selectively inject ink into fat cells and avoid all the other cells and extracellular space of the dermis and epidermis?. Natural inks are still are a foreign material to the body. Does it hurt the animal to carry out tattooing? I can't see it is the "lesser of two evils", as I say 25 years and I've not seen, heard or read in the literature any cases of reactions to microchips in cats and dogs. I have inserted ID chips into birds of prey too, again no reactions. 17777 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #7 by noddy IP Address 81.149.159.160 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 15:49 'you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid.' Might be termed natural, but it is still foreign to the physiology of the species to which it is inserted. "pldoolittle" wrote in message ups.com... A few years back, our webstore (http://www.OdorDestroyer.com) ran an atricle on the benfits of microchipping. Recently, an announcement by the American Microchip Advisory Council for Animals (AMACA) that it has plans to build a national database of all the pet microchips in the USA has revived this topic. . We would be very appreciative if the readers of this group have any commentsthey would like to share on the subject of microchipping. We are particularly interested if you know have any personal experiences with tracking lost pet. Here's the link: http://www.odordestroyer.com/newsblo...chip-my-pet-4/ Thank you, Philip P.S. If you wish to link to our directory, please do so. |
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LOL I meant write at the top of that post that that was the only site I
found and it's about rats, not dogs. Rats get cancer from the wrong kind of diet. I do not know why they bother to experiment on rats, they are inbred to produce cancer. No genetic diversity and so they are just recycling the same defects over and over again. That in itself makes they sensitive to everything, because they are bred to be. Shadow Walker "diddy" wrote in message ... Now you've produced the hysterical report, how about the other side? Yes, but for the sake of objectivity one should also cite at least another work, about fibrosarcomas developping at (presumed) injection sites *not dependent* on microchipping... that is to say that each and every injection performed on a pet *may* translate in the possibility of the pet developping a tumor at the injection site... 1: J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med. 2003 Aug;50(6):286-91. Links Fibrosarcomas at presumed sites of injection in dogs: characteristics and comparison with non-vaccination site fibrosarcomas and feline post-vaccinal fibrosarcomas. a.. Vascellari M, b.. Melchiotti E, c.. Bozza MA, d.. Mutinelli F. Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale delle Venezie, Histopathology Department, Viale dell'Universita 10, 35020 Legnaro (PD), Italy. Fifteen fibrosarcomas, surgically excised from presumed sites of injection in dogs, and 10 canine fibrosarcomas excised from sites not used for injection were histologically and immunohistochemically compared with 20 feline post-vaccinal fibrosarcomas. Canine fibrosarcomas from presumed injection sites were of grade I (3), of grade II (4) and grade III (8). Two fibrosarcomas from non-injection sites were of grade I, four of grade II and four of grade III. Feline samples were classified as grade I (2), grade II (4) and grade III (14). All fibrosarcomas from presumed injection sites of both species showed lymphocytic inflammatory infiltration located at the tumour periphery, while two canine fibrosarcomas from non-injection sites showed perivascular inflammatory infiltration within the neoplasm. All samples were immunohistochemically examined for vimentin, smooth muscle actin, muscle specific actin and desmin expression. All tumours were positive for vimentin. Ten canine fibrosarcomas from presumed injection sites and all feline samples contained cells consistent with a myofibroblastic immunophenotype. Aluminium deposits were detected in eight canine fibrosarcomas from presumed injection sites and 11 feline post- vaccinal fibrosarcomas by the aurintricarboxylic acid method. The present study identifies distinct similarities between canine fibrosarcomas from presumed injection sites and feline post-vaccinal fibrosarcomas, suggesting the possibility of the development of post-injection sarcomas not only in cats, but also in dogs. |
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LOL I meant write at the top of that post that that was the only site I
found and it's about rats, not dogs. Rats get cancer from the wrong kind of diet. I do not know why they bother to experiment on rats, they are inbred to produce cancer. No genetic diversity and so they are just recycling the same defects over and over again. That in itself makes they sensitive to everything, because they are bred to be. Shadow Walker "Shadow Walker" wrote in message ... If you have any questions about cancer and microchps read here. http://robprince.net/mrsa-pets/forum...&forumID=17656 MRSA infection in pets and animals forum number of replies (7) - Page 1 of 1 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Started by Janice IP Address 195.93.21.1 Posted: September 6, 2006 at 18:48 Tumors Caused by Pet Microchip ID's July 13, 2006 10:08 AM Tumors in Long-Term Rat Studies Associated with Microchip Animal Identification Devices. Elcock LE, Stuart BP, Wahle BS, Hoss HE, Crabb K, Millard DM, Mueller RE, Hastings TF, Lake SG. Bayer Corporation, Toxicology Department, Stilwell, Kansas 66085, USA. Tumors surrounding implanted microchip animal identification devices were noted in two separate chronic toxicity/oncogenicity studies using F344 rats. The tumors occurred at a low incidence rate (approximately 1 percent), but did result in the early sacrifice of most affected animals, due to tumor size and occasional metastases. No sex-related trends were noted. All tumors occurred during the second year of the studies, were located in the subcutaneous dorsal thoracic area (the site of microchip implantation) and contained embedded microchip devices. All were mesenchymal in origin and consisted of the following types, listed in order of frequency: malignant schwannoma, fibrosarcoma, anaplastic sarcoma, and histiocytic sarcoma. The following diagnostic techniques were employed: light microscopy, scanning electron microscopy, and immunohistochemistry. The mechanism of carcinogenicity appeared to be that of foreign-body induced tumorigenesis. PMID: 11256750 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17656 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #1 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 13:59 Having seen thousands of chipped animals and having never seen a tumour associated with one, one wonders how useful these data are. Rats are very prone to skin tumours some of which can be very large and would tend to encompass any chip sitting beneath the skin whether or not it had anything to do with its causation. It would be interesting to know the prevalence of skin tumours in a control group, but there doesn't seem to be one. Warrants more investigation. 17667 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #2 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 14:02 Further to the above. The thread title would be better to be "MICROCHIPS ASSOCIATED WITH CANCER" because that is what the study actually showed. This shows the easy danger of overstating the actual conclusions that can be drawn from any study. 17668 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #3 by Julie2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 11:28 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. If they can't use the rats studies to say what may happen in dogs then they shouldn't use rats - common sense dictates they don't even need to do the tests anyway as everyone knows the above statement to be how the body reacts to alien matter. 17763 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #4 by ex vet IP Address 62.253.96.47 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 21:44 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? I was in practice for most of 25 years, and I have never seen a reaction of any sort to an implanted microchip, or any assocaited tumours. 17774 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #5 by Julie-2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 23:03 Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? Yes, but it is only ink in fat cells, and these days you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid. 17775 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #6 by Ex vet IP Address 82.27.227.239 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 07:29 Julie-2, how do you selectively inject ink into fat cells and avoid all the other cells and extracellular space of the dermis and epidermis?. Natural inks are still are a foreign material to the body. Does it hurt the animal to carry out tattooing? I can't see it is the "lesser of two evils", as I say 25 years and I've not seen, heard or read in the literature any cases of reactions to microchips in cats and dogs. I have inserted ID chips into birds of prey too, again no reactions. 17777 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #7 by noddy IP Address 81.149.159.160 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 15:49 'you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid.' Might be termed natural, but it is still foreign to the physiology of the species to which it is inserted. "pldoolittle" wrote in message ups.com... A few years back, our webstore (http://www.OdorDestroyer.com) ran an atricle on the benfits of microchipping. Recently, an announcement by the American Microchip Advisory Council for Animals (AMACA) that it has plans to build a national database of all the pet microchips in the USA has revived this topic. . We would be very appreciative if the readers of this group have any commentsthey would like to share on the subject of microchipping. We are particularly interested if you know have any personal experiences with tracking lost pet. Here's the link: http://www.odordestroyer.com/newsblo...chip-my-pet-4/ Thank you, Philip P.S. If you wish to link to our directory, please do so. |
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LOL I meant to write at the top of that post that that was the only site I
found and it's about rats, not dogs. Rats get cancer from the wrong kind of diet. I do not know why they bother to experiment on rats, they are inbred to produce cancer. No genetic diversity and so they are just recycling the same defects over and over again. That in itself makes them sensitive to everything, because they are bred to be. I have two dogs with chips and one has two chips. I will tell you this, if there is a chance of cancer it's very small. Cancer in dogs is like in people they are eather developing it from something really toxic or they are geneticaly programed for it. I'm not going to stop taking care of my pet and getting a chip is taking care of my pets to me. I am taking a precationary procedure for the possible loss of my pets collar. The chances of getting cancer are lower than the chances of your dog getting out and lost thats not even debatable its a mathmatical probability. Tattoos are great before they fade from the stomach and ears can be torn or cut off weather through malicious intent, dog fight, accident or surgical removal. Shadow Walker If you have any questions about cancer and microchips' read here. http://robprince.net/mrsa-pets/forum...&forumID=17656 MRSA infection in pets and animals forum number of replies (7) - Page 1 of 1 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Started by Janice IP Address 195.93.21.1 Posted: September 6, 2006 at 18:48 Tumors Caused by Pet Microchip ID's July 13, 2006 10:08 AM Tumors in Long-Term Rat Studies Associated with Microchip Animal Identification Devices. Elcock LE, Stuart BP, Wahle BS, Hoss HE, Crabb K, Millard DM, Mueller RE, Hastings TF, Lake SG. Bayer Corporation, Toxicology Department, Stilwell, Kansas 66085, USA. Tumors surrounding implanted microchip animal identification devices were noted in two separate chronic toxicity/oncogenicity studies using F344 rats. The tumors occurred at a low incidence rate (approximately 1 percent), but did result in the early sacrifice of most affected animals, due to tumor size and occasional metastases. No sex-related trends were noted. All tumors occurred during the second year of the studies, were located in the subcutaneous dorsal thoracic area (the site of microchip implantation) and contained embedded microchip devices. All were mesenchymal in origin and consisted of the following types, listed in order of frequency: malignant schwannoma, fibrosarcoma, anaplastic sarcoma, and histiocytic sarcoma. The following diagnostic techniques were employed: light microscopy, scanning electron microscopy, and immunohistochemistry. The mechanism of carcinogenicity appeared to be that of foreign-body induced tumorigenesis. PMID: 11256750 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17656 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #1 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 13:59 Having seen thousands of chipped animals and having never seen a tumour associated with one, one wonders how useful these data are. Rats are very prone to skin tumours some of which can be very large and would tend to encompass any chip sitting beneath the skin whether or not it had anything to do with its causation. It would be interesting to know the prevalence of skin tumours in a control group, but there doesn't seem to be one. Warrants more investigation. 17667 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #2 by DB IP Address 217.44.194.103 Posted: September 7, 2006 at 14:02 Further to the above. The thread title would be better to be "MICROCHIPS ASSOCIATED WITH CANCER" because that is what the study actually showed. This shows the easy danger of overstating the actual conclusions that can be drawn from any study. 17668 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #3 by Julie2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 11:28 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. If they can't use the rats studies to say what may happen in dogs then they shouldn't use rats - common sense dictates they don't even need to do the tests anyway as everyone knows the above statement to be how the body reacts to alien matter. 17763 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #4 by ex vet IP Address 62.253.96.47 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 21:44 I opted for a tattoo - have heard of too many times the dogs are not even scanned when they're picked up by shelters ! There's no excuse for not seeing a tattoo ! Anything foreign in the body is going to cause problems in my view as it is alien and so the animals immune system fights it. Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? I was in practice for most of 25 years, and I have never seen a reaction of any sort to an implanted microchip, or any assocaited tumours. 17774 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #5 by Julie-2 IP Address 62.253.128.15 Posted: September 10, 2006 at 23:03 Tattooing involves the use of ink intradermally, Foreign body - may cause reaction??? immune system will fight it?? Yes, but it is only ink in fat cells, and these days you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid. 17775 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #6 by Ex vet IP Address 82.27.227.239 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 07:29 Julie-2, how do you selectively inject ink into fat cells and avoid all the other cells and extracellular space of the dermis and epidermis?. Natural inks are still are a foreign material to the body. Does it hurt the animal to carry out tattooing? I can't see it is the "lesser of two evils", as I say 25 years and I've not seen, heard or read in the literature any cases of reactions to microchips in cats and dogs. I have inserted ID chips into birds of prey too, again no reactions. 17777 MICROCHIPPING FOUND TO BE CAUSING CANCER Reply #7 by noddy IP Address 81.149.159.160 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 15:49 'you can get natural inks - lesser of two evils I'm afraid.' Might be termed natural, but it is still foreign to the physiology of the species to which it is inserted. "pldoolittle" wrote in message ups.com... A few years back, our webstore (http://www.OdorDestroyer.com) ran an atricle on the benfits of microchipping. Recently, an announcement by the American Microchip Advisory Council for Animals (AMACA) that it has plans to build a national database of all the pet microchips in the USA has revived this topic. . We would be very appreciative if the readers of this group have any commentsthey would like to share on the subject of microchipping. We are particularly interested if you know have any personal experiences with tracking lost pet. Here's the link: http://www.odordestroyer.com/newsblo...chip-my-pet-4/ Thank you, Philip P.S. If you wish to link to our directory, please do so. "pldoolittle" wrote in message ups.com... A few years back, our webstore (http://www.OdorDestroyer.com) ran an atricle on the benfits of microchipping. Recently, an announcement by the American Microchip Advisory Council for Animals (AMACA) that it has plans to build a national database of all the pet microchips in the USA has revived this topic. . We would be very appreciative if the readers of this group have any commentsthey would like to share on the subject of microchipping. We are particularly interested if you know have any personal experiences with tracking lost pet. Here's the link: http://www.odordestroyer.com/newsblo...chip-my-pet-4/ Thank you, Philip P.S. If you wish to link to our directory, please do so. |
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