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PawsForThought wrote: Steve Crane wrote on 3/16/2005 : Now you can be Hill's official little buttlicker. That has to be a new "low" for even you Paws! Perhaps we ought to drag up the series of posts that Phil P assembled with your comments about cats you fed, didn't fed, almost died, never fed Science Diet to, fed all Science Diet to etc. You've had more stories than Carter has little liver pills. I notice that you have begun X-Archiving all your posts - is this due to a fear that your previous posts which contradict one another might again be drug up and posted? Why would anyone want all posts X-Archived? Seems to me that anyone who does this is has something to be concerned about. Unless I misunderstand what that means. According to the note from Google on top of each posting of yours the message will "be removed" at the end of so many days. What's the basis for this action? Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 5 days (Mar 22, 5:30 am). And if you remember correctly, I posted evidence that cleared things up. I even had to dig out the medical records of my deceased cats just to get you off my back. You were so unbelievably upset that there are cats that don't do good on that crap you Hill's salesmen call food. Sorry, but Scie Die just didn't work out for me. I'm sure there are some animals that can exist on it, but my cats did in fact do very poorly on it. -- PawsForThought LOL! Oh, this is great! Lauren used to say that she "dug up her pet's medical records" for ME....now she's claiming that she did it for YOU (Steve)?? Prior to that, she got them out for Phil P who caught her lying in the first place! ROTFLMAO! Lauren, once again, you can't remember who you told what, to?! Wow, just wow. As for "posting evidence", Lauren, you never did any such thing. You asked us to take your word for it, but it's not like you had JPEGs up on a website or anything! |
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Steve G wrote: Steve, I've given page numbers before to support what I quote...how can that be "vague"?? I don't recall you ever giving page nos. I could be wrong. And on the other hand, Gouda cheese might declare war on Norway. So, do you own a copy of SACN? S. Yep. |
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Gaubster:
PawsForThought wrote: Yeah, yeah, we know, Lauren. You repeat it every chance you get. You're becoming a broken record. Your theory about corn (and please tell me exactly what you think constitutes a "filler") is just not supported by the literature and also doesn't explain why millions of cats thrive on Science Diet? See, you just can't stand the fact that my cats did so poorly on Hill's Science Diet, LOL. As to filler, let me enlighten you. Things like peanut hulls and cellulose are considered fillers. Last time I checked, carnivores had no need for them in their diet. Since I am at work, I can't pull up the studies, but there have been some regarding unfermentable fiber and cats. But it's useless to try to educate you anyway. You're going to sing the praises of corn, a cheap substitute for meat, in Hill's Science Diet. I don't blame you actually. I guess if I worked for Hill's all along, I would defend their petfood too I knew you wouldn't believe me---you have a hard time believing facts and the truth seems to be a stranger to you! Actually I would like to see you post some "studies", since I don't ever recall you posting "studies" on anything. You post a lot of website opinions, but never any studies. Please tell me what the peanut hull is, because I suspect you think it's the shell around the peanut. As for cellulose, my understanding is that it is quite expensive and is a palatable source of fiber which is useful in a number of situations. Same thing with peanut hulls. Yeah, those studies funded by Hill's really hold a lot of weight Peanut Hulls "Long a common source of fiber, it is inexpensive and certainly bulk-producing, therefore very popular especially in the "reducing" diets. This incredibly harsh fiber cannot only create chronic constipation but damage the sensitive tissues of the colon." In a 1992 report from the Mycotoxin Committee of the American Association of Veterinary Laboratory Diagnosticians, it states that virtually all animal foods contain some viable mold. Peanut hulls are particularly susceptible to aflotoxin in addition to being heavily sprayed with pesticides. Hills Science Diet is one pet food that uses peanut hulls as a source of fiber in its formulas. A standard practice in the pet food industry is the blending and dilution of contaminated grain products. By blending a higher ppm vomatoxin wheat with a lower ppm vomatoxin wheat they can hopefully get an acceptable level of 1.0 ppm vomatoxin." Fillers offer almost nothing to your pet in the way of nutrition-peanut hulls and powdered cellulose, for example, have no nutritional value. All these substances can cause blockage and other intestinal problems, so avoid them-get a high quality food that either doesn't include these fillers or at least does not list them among the first five or six ingredients. Or, you can ask Steve Crane. He said that peanut hulls are added as bulk to the diet so pets are satiated and don't beg for more food. Or......you can feed a species appropriate meat based diet so the animal feels satiated because he's eaten a good food. Can you produce any studies (and no, you can't use ones funded by Hill's ) to show that peanut hulls have nutritional value for a carnivore? -- PawsForThought |
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PawsForThought wrote: Yeah, those studies funded by Hill's really hold a lot of weight We've been over this many times before....either you refuse to learn the truth or you pretend you don't know the truth. Do you even know what peer-reviewed, published studies are? Peanut Hulls "Long a common source of fiber, it is inexpensive and certainly bulk-producing, therefore very popular especially in the "reducing" diets. This incredibly harsh fiber cannot only create chronic constipation but damage the sensitive tissues of the colon." I note that you didn't provide a source for this OPINION! snip the insinuation that Hill's has myotoxins Show me one single example (I've not aware of any) in which any of Hill's foods have recently come under fire for having myotoxins. I dare you! Fillers offer almost nothing to your pet in the way of nutrition-peanut hulls and powdered cellulose, for example, have no nutritional value. All these substances can cause blockage and other intestinal problems, so avoid them-get a high quality food that either doesn't include these fillers or at least does not list them among the first five or six ingredients. Which website did you copy this OPINION from?? Do you have any PROOF that any of these allegations ever take place? Or is this just more of your internet fantasy? Can you produce any studies (and no, you can't use ones funded by Hill's ) to show that peanut hulls have nutritional value for a carnivore? Just as soon as YOU support studies that backup your opinions. And no, I don't mean from some kook website or some holistic whackjob. See, how easy it is to play your little game? And since you're cross-posting....dogs are omnivores, NOT carnivores. And you still haven't answered my question (as usual)....what exactly do you think a peanut hull is? |
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Oh Come on PAWS - What Phil posted was your own direct comments which
contradicted one another. They were your statements - not medical records or any such nonsense. You claimed one thing and then another thing - in direct contradiction to each other. |
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