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chardonnay9 wrote: I'm the only one *not* looking for a war. I'm having a conversation with Dale. If you think that's what's going on you don't know much about Dale. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Shelly wrote: Since you do not take your dogs to the vet, you don't know whether or not they're healthy. That cannot be overstated. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Winey girl wrote:
It's simple enough to look at the ingredients of any kibble and see the massive amount of additives they feel need to be added because of what they had done to the base kibble. Where are the massive amounts of additives? Click on an ingredient to learn more. Lamb Meal Lamb meal is the dry rendered (cooked down) product from lamb tissues, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices. Lamb meal is simply lamb meat with the moisture removed, making it suitable for use in dry food. Before you buy a product containing lamb meal, ask the manufacturer about the origin of the lamb meal they use. Brown Rice The whole rice kernel containing the nutrient-rich bran with only the rice hull removed. Rice bran is rich in numerous nutrients like B-vitamins, magnesium, and fatty acids. Rice Rice, unless listed as brown rice, is the de-hulled rice kernel, without the bran -- known as white rice. Rice, in its whole form, is a high quality source of carbohydrates, protein and fiber. This is in contrast to fractionated grain ingredients used by some manufacturers such as rice polishings, rice bran, or brewers rice which have been leeched of much of their nutrient value. Sunflower Oil Sunflower oil is obtained by extracting oil from sunflower seeds. Sunflower oil has a high concentration of linoleic acid (73%), which is important for good skin and coat health. Natural Flavors Natural flavors are minimally processed flavor ingredients that do not contain synthetic or artificial components. Potassium Chloride A chemical compound, KCl, a colorless or white, cubic, crystalline compound that closely resembles common salt (sodium chloride). It is soluble in water, alcohol, and alkalies. Potassium plays various roles in metabolism and body functions. It assists in the regulation of the acid-base balance and water balance in the blood and the body tissue. It assists in protein synthesis from amino acids and in carbohydrate metabolism. Vitamins/Minerals Vitamins are organic compounds that function as parts of enzyme systems essential for the transmission of energy and the regulation of metabolisms of the body. Minerals are inorganic substances essential for a host of vital processes within the body. Rosemary Extract -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Shelly wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... Feeding raw makes your dog healthier than any other diet Since you do not take your dogs to the vet, you don't know whether or not they're healthy. Sorry, I'm not as stupid as you are evidently. I don't need a vet to tell me they are healthy. Indeed, most vets cause pets a great deal of pain and suffering and all in the name of money. A really good vet is extremely hard to find. |
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chardonnay9 wrote: Sorry, I'm not as stupid as you are evidently. I don't need a vet to tell me they are healthy. Yeah, actually, you do. You really don't have much idea of organ or endocrine function and, incidentally, you're not going to deal with health problems until they're so advanced that they're causing sufficiently drastic symptoms that they're noticeable to an uneducated layperson. And, incidentally, it's evident from your posts that your dog is unfit. Most dogs are so it's unremarkable, but you'll find that many of the people you're arguing with have dogs that are fit and which have the nutritional needs of fit, athletic dogs. Because of that we know something about nutrition and about the nexus of food and fitness and performance. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Indeed, most vets cause pets a great deal of pain and suffering and all in
the name of money. And there's the rub, folks. Someone who thinks that running an animal hospital should be a charity. Pardon me while I leave my mansion and get in one of my many cars to shop for jewels. We're sooooo rich. Boy, that 80 hour work week is a breeze and so profitable. bleh |
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"Rocky" wrote in message ... Janet Boss said in rec.pets.dogs.health: The RV is not negotiable currently, because it is LAW. It took 10 years for the happenstance, but I recently found out that my area is one of the few in North America where rabies vaccine is not required. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. You made me wonder if it was required here, Matt. I did vaccinate Kiba last year for rabies. I just called our vet to ask and it's not, although there is rabies in the area. Go figure. Kiba is due for his, so we're seeing the vet next week. Phyrie |
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elegy said in
rec.pets.dogs.health: the most common food allergens for dogs are beef followed by dairy. carbs don't enter the picture until third place with wheat. Yet plenty of dogs fit that third space slot. Gaubster used to rant on those who claimed dogs with corn allergies, me and Good Ol' Murphy included. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... Dale Atkin wrote: The best raw diet would involve grass fed organic meat, preferably whole prey. I'm settling for meat that is not organic, mostly mark downs from the local markets, some bought from a local co-op that is very high quality. Interesting. Can you tell me what you mean by 'organic'? I've been reading a number of 'organic' standards lately. I'm curious what you mean when you say 'organic'. I'd like the meat to be free of antibiotics, medications, hormones and be grass fed. Can you point me to an acceptable 'certified organic standard' that incorporates all of these? (I assume by 'free of x,y,z' you mean that they have never been given x,y,z rather than just an increased withdrawal period). Most organic standards that I've read specifically state that (a) medication should not be withheld to maintain organic certification (b) allow for alternate feeding sources in cases where 'organic' feed is unavailable (c) allow for routine vaccination protocol. We feel that feeding raw is the species appropriate way to feed, and use natural methods for optimal health and strong immune systems. We avoid using drugs on a routine basis but do realize that sometimes they are the best solution. Holistic methods can take longer to work but usually alleviate the base problem while most vets only treat symptoms. I've personally had pretty good results using those treatments. Specifically I've used homeopathy, flower essences, and old fashioned home cures. You still haven't defined what you mean by "Holistic". Are you equating it with 'natural'? And I've seen how feeding raw can make it possible not to have to visit a vet for any reason, for years! I don't even have a "regular" vet. I'm curious, how do you know that your dogs don't currently have heartworm? How are you evaluating your treatment? Also important to note, the incidence of heatworm in some wild canid populations is about 1 in 8 (IIRC). So you could easily just be 'playing the odds' more than actually having any real effect. I encourage you to think about it. (this is exactly why anecdotal accounts are of highly limited value). "I feed my dog garlic every day, so he doesn't get heartworm!", he didn't get heartworm so the garlic must have worked. The fact is, you quite possibly could have given him nothing, and still not got heartworm. Just because A is correlated with B does not mean that A is causative for B. Dale |
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Rocky wrote: Yet plenty of dogs fit that third space slot. Gaubster used to rant on those who claimed dogs with corn allergies, me and Good Ol' Murphy included. Well, the Gaub was the spiritual twin of this one, only on the other side of the argument. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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