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Old December 19th 08, 05:41 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
If a pet food lists "meat by-products" on the label, remember that this
is the material that usually comes from the slaughterhouse industry or
dead stock removal operations, classified as condemned or contaminated,


That is incorrect.

Meat meal, meat and bone meal, digests, and
tankage (specifically animal tissue including bones and exclusive of
hair, hoofs, horns, and contents of digestive tract) are composed of
rendered material.


That is *so* incorrect.


You just keep thinking that while your dogs eat rendered animals.
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Old December 19th 08, 05:48 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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chardonnay9 spoke these words of wisdom in
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You just keep thinking that while your dogs eat rendered animals.

When I butcher an animal, it becomes "rendered"

In fact, I just rendered out the heart, lover, and tripe and sliced it up and
put it in baggies and just froze it for my dogs. My dogs love rendered
animals that i save for them.



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Old December 19th 08, 06:02 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
You just keep thinking that while your dogs eat rendered animals.


If you choose meat over meat meal you're paying for water
and and the food contains less meat as a percentage of
weight. This is extremely old news among people who pay
attention to dog food - it's Dog Food 101. One way to
quickly identify someone who really doesn't know the basics
about dog food is when they tell you that meat meal is less
desirable than meat.

People who don't understand water content of meat are also
unable to make effective comparisons of food macronutrient
contents, since they're tautalogically unable to do the
arithmetic to normalize macronutrient contents in feeds with
different moisture contents.
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Old December 19th 08, 09:17 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Gary wrote:


If people can buy meat for themselves, why not for their dog? And don't say
its about money. Anybody can afford it if you shop around. Chicken necks,
backs, organs, beef trim, etc are all very cheap. Remove coffee, tobacco,
alcohol, snack foods, pop, etc and your health will skyrocket.


There goes all the fun stuff.

99% of the
population wastes money on those things. So 99% of the population can
afford meat for their dog.


99% of all statistics are made up.

Nick
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Old December 19th 08, 09:18 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Shelly wrote:

chardonnay9 wrote in
m:

If a pet food lists "meat by-products" on the label,


Mine does not.


Mine either.

Nick
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Old December 19th 08, 09:21 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Judy wrote:


(*) pig feet, pig's feet, pig foot, pigs' feet. Why do none of those
phrases look right to me this morning?

Judy


You left out pig feets. HTH

Nick
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Old December 19th 08, 09:37 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
You just keep thinking that while your dogs eat rendered animals.


If you choose meat over meat meal you're paying for water
and and the food contains less meat as a percentage of
weight. This is extremely old news among people who pay
attention to dog food - it's Dog Food 101. One way to
quickly identify someone who really doesn't know the basics
about dog food is when they tell you that meat meal is less
desirable than meat.

People who don't understand water content of meat are also
unable to make effective comparisons of food macronutrient
contents, since they're tautalogically unable to do the
arithmetic to normalize macronutrient contents in feeds with
different moisture contents.


As usual you are off track and confused. This has nothing to do with
what form the meat is in but where the meat comes from. The quality of
those "meat byproducts" is not what I'd ever allow my dogs to eat. I've
lived near a rendering plant and I know what goes on there and it's
disgusting. Road kill, downer cows, euthanized pets with collars and
flea products still on them, stuff people aren't allowed to eat, it goes
into much of commercial dog food.

People who don't understand the sources of the food they feed their dogs
shouldn't own dogs.
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Old December 19th 08, 09:48 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
As usual you are off track and confused. This has nothing to do with
what form the meat is in but where the meat comes from.


You categorized "meat meal" together with "meat byproducts"
and asserted that they come from:

Road kill, downer cows, euthanized pets with collars and
flea products still on them, stuff people aren't allowed to eat, it goes
into much of commercial dog food.


all of which is factually incorrect.
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Old December 19th 08, 10:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Nick wrote:
Shelly wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:

If a pet food lists "meat by-products" on the label,


Mine does not.


Mine either.


Funny, neither does mine; its first three ingredients are
listed as turkey, chicken, and chicken meal.

Dianne
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Old December 19th 08, 10:31 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Gary wrote:

So why not suggest something?


https://www.petdiets.com/ is run by a board-certified veterinary
nutritionist and has a recipe for a vegan diet for a 30-pound dog
with no medical problems. The recipe is $15, so I don't know if
it's all-raw or not (I doubt it).

If your dog does not meet the description above, Dr. Remillard
will formulate a recipe for his/her specific needs for $250 (if
you deal with her directly) or $100 if the contact with her is
made through your veterinarian.

If you happen to live anywhere near UC Davis in northern California,
they also have a nutrition clinic that will help with formulating
nutritionally-complete home-prepared diets.

To be honest, there is no way I would feed a homemade diet without
receiving qualified professional advice from a veterinary nutritionist
like those that provide the above two services. (Incidentally, there
are only 61 board-certified veterinary nutritionists in the world;
you can view the list at
http://www.acvn.org/site/view/58670_...Diplomates.pml .)

Hope that helps.

Dianne
 




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