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Re chardonnay9 the thread crasher
Nitram wrote:
On another note after more detailed skin biopsy reviews my dog's cutaneous lymphoma was determined to a be a recently identified form that progresses very slowly. There appears to be no internal organ advance. She's just started on a single drug protocol - Lomustine (ceeNU) once every 4 weeks and appears to be handling the chemo quite well. That sounds like good news, given the bad situation. I had a dog who had squamous cell carcinoma, who, with treatment, lived 3.5 years after it was discovered and (probably) died of an unrelated cause. But I know nothing about lymphoma and how to treat it, so I can only offer my good wishes. And this: according to the oncologist we worked with, the levels of chemo used on dogs are usually considerably lower than those used on humans, so dogs don't suffer the excruciating side effects that humans do. We barely noticed a difference, other than a slight drop in energy levels, when Dylan was on chemo. I hope all goes well with her treatment. FurPaw -- Don't believe everything that you think. To reply, unleash the dog. |
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... It really scares all of you that so many people think like me doesn't it? Really? Where are they, Chard? Why aren't the multitudes jumping in to defend you and your ideas? If there are so many, let them post here and now. Let's hear from the hordes of "Chard-thinkers". Today, right this minute. Go ahead. I'll wait. |
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"Phyrie" spoke these words of wisdom in
: "chardonnay9" wrote in message m... It really scares all of you that so many people think like me doesn't it? Really? Where are they, Chard? Why aren't the multitudes jumping in to defend you and your ideas? If there are so many, let them post here and now. Let's hear from the hordes of "Chard-thinkers". Today, right this minute. Go ahead. I'll wait. I'm glad you have nothing to do Phyrie. I killfiled her long ago. But I daresay this is going to be a short thread. |
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FurPaw wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote: I'm one of an army of people fed up with problems caused by the pet food industry and vets who don't have a clue. Fortunately even some vets are actually looking into natural methods and I can't wait till even more do so. It's one thing to be disgusted with some pet food manufacturers, those folks in the FDA and DA who are more interested in politics than food safety, and those Chinese people who thought it would be OK to add melamine to mimic higher protein content in wheat gluten. It's a whole 'nuther thing to eschew good science in the name of using "natural methods." Good science? Where would that be? Good science leads to natural methods that actually cure the underlying cause instead of temporarily relieving symptoms without looking for a cause at all. Is this good science? http://www.iamscruelty.com/ It's as if you believe that "natural" equates to "non-toxic." Putting words in my mouth again. I've never said anything like that. Funny how you have to make things up to respond against me. Can't find fault in the truth huh? (Have an Amanita virosa, m'dear?) As if you believe that "traditional medicine" is by definition superior to modern medicine. Many people do believe that. I'm one of them. Not in every case and in every situation but most times yes it's so. Your "studies" of "natural methods" and "traditional medicine" don't go deep enough for you to be able to distinguish between effective practices vs. those that are based solely on superstition and tradition and are at best ineffective, at worst themselves harmful. You have nothing to base that on. I think you don't know enough about it to make such a call. I've put years of skeptical research into it all before deciding to believe it. I guess you'd consider something like this to be more effective? http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt If you stopped trying to play vet, stopped "prescribing" to people who post here, If you stopped trying to twist what I say into situations that never happened.... like when someone asked for opinions and I gave a website to look at, all of a sudden I'm killing dogs! How silly! stopped preaching your one-note sermon, stopped acting like a True Believer, stopped discounting any evidence that contradicts your opinion, Has there been any? Not that I've seen. What planet are you on? and started getting a real education (as opposed to generalizing from all the anecdotes you read on "alternative medicine" web sites) you might get a better reception. From someone that has no clue what education I have and obviously can't tell by my posts.... I mean, is this you? "furpaw: (SSRI, cognitive therapy) otherwise, a fairly boring and nondescript crazy person "I'm out more than $5,000 in the past year because I have one dog who developed a heart condition and another one who required surgery for laryngeal paralysis and went blind in one eye, reason unknown; in addition to the surgery, a lot of diagnostic tests were required for each one." Do you think all happened because you fed them such a fabulous diet and pumped them full of chemicals like flea products, heartworm "preventatives" and vaccines? And this? Here's funky foots MURDERIN her own HOWESkat: From: FurPaw ) Subject: OT:urk..cat poop Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST snip yecchh! Now, why was he demanding that YOU clean it up? Once I had a housemate who acquired a stray cat while I was on vacation. Before I knew about the cat, when I walked into the bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn, Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!" Shortly after that, I spotted the cat. Further investigation revealed that the damned cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's shoes. MINE. Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that domain already. He clinched it a couple of days later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom (now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner. Cat freaked, clawed and bit me. Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter the next day. (I would have had the same reaction if the dog had bit me.) FurPaw So you killed the cat because it was afraid of the dog? |
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chardonnay9 wrote: Good science? Where would that be? Good science leads to natural methods that actually cure the underlying cause instead of temporarily relieving symptoms without looking for a cause at all. "Good science" refers to research methodology. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Phyrie wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... It really scares all of you that so many people think like me doesn't it? Really? Where are they, Chard? Why aren't the multitudes jumping in to defend you and your ideas? If there are so many, let them post here and now. Let's hear from the hordes of "Chard-thinkers". Today, right this minute. Go ahead. I'll wait. All it takes is a look back at what happens to anyone who posts here differently than you and the hate crew here and you'd know why most people don't stay around. Gary for instance didn't last long at all, and I've seen others in the archives. I can post many groups that are out there that want to deal with their pets and themselves in a better way. I bet most of you put lawn chemicals in your yards, use bleach and other harsh chemicals in your house to clean, bug sprays inside and out, use Frontline or Advantage or similar on your pets (plus heartworm "meds" too), give your children fluoride in the water, toothpaste or both, spray things in the air that you inhale like hair spray or Febreeze, use toxic non stick pans to cook with, use milk that has been pastuerized, and on and on. If you had the slightest clue the garbage you feed your pets you'd never buy kibble ever again! I can't believe you are so blind as to pretend that the waste products from the human foods are what feeds your dogs, along with those wonderful recipes from the rendering plants. And then I see you all complaining that you don't know why your dog has a bad heart or why the cat is having seizures. Not only should any of you own pets, your kids should be taken away from you as well for putting them in such danger. Here are just a few of the places that welcome people like me, because they believe like I do. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CentralFL-BARF http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FL_Rawfeeder http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlternativeAnswers http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathy_open http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/minutus http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oleandersoup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pets4Homeopathy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HealthyAussies http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WholeCatHealth http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Vaccinations http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stopped_Our_Statins http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalpetcare http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawpaws http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalHorseandPetCare http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sheltie-Naturals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheNaturalBoxer http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CanineHealthCampaign http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holisticcat http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalRidgebacks http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/BrachyNaturally http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SighthoundsNaturally http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SouthE...NaturalRearing http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CatNutrition http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holisticnews http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HolisticPet http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturalpetcare http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blacks...petswithcancer Goodness, this is just a few Yahoo groups, nevermind usenet, Google groups, actual websites..... |
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chardonnay9 wrote:
Your "studies" of "natural methods" and "traditional medicine" don't go deep enough for you to be able to distinguish between effective practices vs. those that are based solely on superstition and tradition and are at best ineffective, at worst themselves harmful. You have nothing to base that on. I think you don't know enough about it to make such a call. I've put years of skeptical research into it all before deciding to believe it. It definitely doesn't show. Dianne |
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elegy wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:46:10 GMT, "Nitram" wrote: On another note after more detailed skin biopsy reviews my dog's cutaneous lymphoma was determined to a be a recently identified form that progresses very slowly. There appears to be no internal organ advance. She's just started on a single drug protocol - Lomustine (ceeNU) once every 4 weeks and appears to be handling the chemo quite well. i'm glad she's doing well with the chemo! i wish you guys the best of luck with her treatment. i'm sorry that your post got eaten by chard's idiocy. i agree with those who believe it's too dangerous to allow her to post such dangerous misinformation unchecked. Giving a link to a Yahoo group about cancer is dangerous? it's a shame that she's been allowed to take over the group though. Actually, Chardonnay9 AIN'T "been allowed to take over the group though"; it's you MENTAL CASES who OBJECT to the SCIENCE Chardonnay9 teaches. Yep, thanks Jerry! I'm not the one hijacking the threads here, it's the imbeciles who are afraid to archive posts and think kibble is dog food. Why don't you want your posts to archive elegy? They flame me and some how I did something wrong? Just because more than one lunatic posts in a group does not make them right. Hey elegy, I heard you killed more than one rescue you've taken in. How does that keep happening? Is that why you don't archive? |
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , chardonnay9 wrote: Good science? Where would that be? Good science leads to natural methods that actually cure the underlying cause instead of temporarily relieving symptoms without looking for a cause at all. "Good science" refers to research methodology. Good science *LEADS TO* natural methods that actually cure the underlying cause instead of temporarily relieving symptoms without looking for a cause at all. If you read it carefully and slower so it sinks in you will notice I was not defining science. Brain fart? |
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chardonnay9 wrote: Your "studies" of "natural methods" and "traditional medicine" don't go deep enough for you to be able to distinguish between effective practices vs. those that are based solely on superstition and tradition and are at best ineffective, at worst themselves harmful. You have nothing to base that on. I think you don't know enough about it to make such a call. I've put years of skeptical research into it all before deciding to believe it. It definitely doesn't show. Dianne How would an obvious idiot like you know? And why would I pay attention to an opinion coming from an idiot? I mean, after I've seen what you call dog training I'd sooner never own a pet than do what you've done. |
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