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Old May 22nd 11, 09:43 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

NEW to this group - please understand if this has been discussed
before. Or if there are groups better suited to this question.

We have a female Goldendoodle. 3 yrs old. NO tear stains.

That said, regardless of where she licks - paw, hips, etc, the area
quickly becomes a light redish-brown.

This is due to ______? Bacteria in her system?

Have not found a good solution, means to either whiten the area myself
and/or add something to her diet.

Told that tetracycline will fix the problem. Same time, read that
this antibiotic can cause other probems if used too much. What is "too
much"? Experiences here will be appreciated.

Told that bottled water is a good. Someone else said distilled is
better, no minerals. Is the mineral content in std bottled water
really a problem? Bella "drinks alot" - maybe distilled is a good
idea??

Thank You!
Wayne
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Old May 22nd 11, 10:58 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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That said, regardless of where she licks - paw, hips, etc, the area
quickly becomes a light redish-brown.

This is due to ______? Bacteria in her system?


.....................Only continual licking will cause bacterial growth.
Sounds like allergies.

Have not found a good solution, means to either whiten the area myself
and/or add something to her diet.


..............If you feed kibble, try some other kind of diet.

Told that tetracycline will fix the problem. Same time, read that
this antibiotic can cause other probems if used too much. What is "too
much"? Experiences here will be appreciated.


................This is most likely an "inside" problem, not an outside one.
Don't feed your dog antibiotics for this.

Bella "drinks alot" -

.....................How much is a lot? You might get some basic bloodwork
run.

buglady
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Old May 23rd 11, 06:34 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

Until you KNOW, from your vet, what the problem really is, do not give
your dog antibiotics or colloidal silver (check this with your vet First
before using it; Char is not a vet or even a vet tech).

At one time it was thought that the dyes commonly found in low grade dry
dog foods (and some canned) caused the tear stains on some dogs, mostly
short-muzzled ones who do not have adequate drainage for tears through
the ducts in the inner corners of the eyes, and feet of any dog, from
constant licking and chewing. Then some bright vet, possibly a student,
"bothered" to do cultures of those areas, which are always damp or wet.
The discoloration is caused by growth of bacteria and yeasts.... mixed
colonization. Some dogs will have more of one than the other. I am not
suprised that your long-muzzled mixed breed does not have tear stains.

If your dog is constantly licking and chewing at the same spots, it is
possible for this type of colonization to be taking place. Do check the
feet, especially between the toes for the same thing. This could
indicate itching from an allergy.... food (or ingredients; corn, wheat,
soy, dyes are comon allergens... rice can be, too, but somewhat less
often,now and then gluten, but that's usually accompanied by some
gastro-intestinal problems, such as large
"fluffy" from air pockets feces with a Really Foul odor, less commonly
from meats or fish, but it happens), inhaled (pollen, dust, mites,
chemicals), contact (pollen, mites, fleas, chemicals, grass, many
others). When I have an itchy dog with no fleas, I start by eliminating
grain, soy and dyes from the diet. Results take time to reach the final
outcome. Up to 2 months, but if it is a food sensitivity or allergy,
Some improvement can be seen as soon as 2-4 weeks.

Itching can also be caused by coat that needs more frequent or more
vigorous grooming, down to the skin and out from the skin (at this time
of year, if my flea-free dogs ae scaratching or chewing, I know that I
haven't kept up with seasonal shed of undercoat, and I get out my rake).
Your mixed breed dog may have been advertized as non-shedding, but I
presume you have learned by now that this was a pack of hoo-hah. Use a
pet coat conditioner..... spritz the coat before starting to brush or
comb or rake, to avoid matts or break them up easily, and hydrate the
coat and skin. This also prevents the hairs breaking off as much as
grooming a totally dry coat. Unscented is best.

You may not have adequately rinsed out the coat after bathing. You may
be bathing so often that the skin never regains the normal amount of
oil, so it's dry and itchy. Every three months should be close to
minimal time between baths unless the dog is rolling in something
ghastly. Use a gentle oatmeal based shampoo, and a pet coat
conditioner. Spot cleaning can be done with a wet washcloth (no
shampoo) after good brushing, or use alcohol-free baby wipes I use
"wipes" for "dusting down" the dogs every couple of weeks; cleans the
hair without drying the skin.

Adding a good oil supplement (fish oil works well; pierce or cut the tip
off the gel cap and squeeze contents over the food and leave the gel cap
in the bowl, or use a blended oil supplement such as DermCaps) can help
skin that is dry due to too little oil/fat/fatty acids in the food.

I have yet to see a goldendoodle with an easily maintained coat, but the
problems vary from over-bathing to a little tendency to matt easily to
serious food allergy. We have a good number of them in obedience
classes where I teach.

So discuss the issue with your vet. If it Really, Really bugs you and
the dog continues to chew on itself, and your vet can't find the cause,
get a referal to a veterinary dermatologist (they're also the animal
world's allergist). Many general practice vets tend to repeatedly do
the old prednisone and antibiotics routine for recurrent skin problems,
but this is Not in your dog's best interest; get it diagnosed and teated
by a specialist and get it out of your lives.

None of us here are vets, and cannot legally diagnose or recommend or
prescribe specific treatment beyond the first aid/common home remedy
level.


Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

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Old May 24th 11, 12:08 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:34:14 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

Until you KNOW, from your vet, what the problem really is, do not give
your dog antibiotics or colloidal silver (check this with your vet First
before using it; Char is not a vet or even a vet tech).

At one time it was thought that the dyes commonly found in low grade dry
dog foods (and some canned) caused the tear stains on some dogs, mostly
short-muzzled ones who do not have adequate drainage for tears through
the ducts in the inner corners of the eyes, and feet of any dog, from
constant licking and chewing. Then some bright vet, possibly a student,
"bothered" to do cultures of those areas, which are always damp or wet.
The discoloration is caused by growth of bacteria and yeasts.... mixed
colonization. Some dogs will have more of one than the other. I am not
suprised that your long-muzzled mixed breed does not have tear stains.

If your dog is constantly licking and chewing at the same spots, it is
possible for this type of colonization to be taking place. Do check the
feet, especially between the toes for the same thing. This could
indicate itching from an allergy.... food (or ingredients; corn, wheat,
soy, dyes are comon allergens... rice can be, too, but somewhat less
often,now and then gluten, but that's usually accompanied by some
gastro-intestinal problems, such as large
"fluffy" from air pockets feces with a Really Foul odor, less commonly
from meats or fish, but it happens), inhaled (pollen, dust, mites,
chemicals), contact (pollen, mites, fleas, chemicals, grass, many
others). When I have an itchy dog with no fleas, I start by eliminating
grain, soy and dyes from the diet. Results take time to reach the final
outcome. Up to 2 months, but if it is a food sensitivity or allergy,
Some improvement can be seen as soon as 2-4 weeks.

Itching can also be caused by coat that needs more frequent or more
vigorous grooming, down to the skin and out from the skin (at this time
of year, if my flea-free dogs ae scaratching or chewing, I know that I
haven't kept up with seasonal shed of undercoat, and I get out my rake).
Your mixed breed dog may have been advertized as non-shedding, but I
presume you have learned by now that this was a pack of hoo-hah. Use a
pet coat conditioner..... spritz the coat before starting to brush or
comb or rake, to avoid matts or break them up easily, and hydrate the
coat and skin. This also prevents the hairs breaking off as much as
grooming a totally dry coat. Unscented is best.

You may not have adequately rinsed out the coat after bathing. You may
be bathing so often that the skin never regains the normal amount of
oil, so it's dry and itchy. Every three months should be close to
minimal time between baths unless the dog is rolling in something
ghastly. Use a gentle oatmeal based shampoo, and a pet coat
conditioner. Spot cleaning can be done with a wet washcloth (no
shampoo) after good brushing, or use alcohol-free baby wipes I use
"wipes" for "dusting down" the dogs every couple of weeks; cleans the
hair without drying the skin.

Adding a good oil supplement (fish oil works well; pierce or cut the tip
off the gel cap and squeeze contents over the food and leave the gel cap
in the bowl, or use a blended oil supplement such as DermCaps) can help
skin that is dry due to too little oil/fat/fatty acids in the food.

I have yet to see a goldendoodle with an easily maintained coat, but the
problems vary from over-bathing to a little tendency to matt easily to
serious food allergy. We have a good number of them in obedience
classes where I teach.

So discuss the issue with your vet. If it Really, Really bugs you and
the dog continues to chew on itself, and your vet can't find the cause,
get a referal to a veterinary dermatologist (they're also the animal
world's allergist). Many general practice vets tend to repeatedly do
the old prednisone and antibiotics routine for recurrent skin problems,
but this is Not in your dog's best interest; get it diagnosed and teated
by a specialist and get it out of your lives.

None of us here are vets, and cannot legally diagnose or recommend or
prescribe specific treatment beyond the first aid/common home remedy
level.


Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia


Jo ~ Thank You for your "right to the point" set of answers. Now
it is up to us. BTW, we do comb out, seemingly down to the skin.
(Long story on that issue - when it came to finding a groomer!)

Wayne Dengel
Sarasota, FL



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Old May 27th 11, 08:20 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

On 5/23/2011 1:34 AM, Jo Wolf wrote:
Until you KNOW, from your vet, what the problem really is, do not give
your dog antibiotics or colloidal silver (check this with your vet First
before using it; Char is not a vet or even a vet tech).


Colloidal silver will not hurt your dog and is commonly used as a
preventative for many things. When I take it regularly I don't catch
colds or the flu. There is no danger and most vets have no idea what CS
is so asking a vet is usually useless. You cannot overdose on CS either.

Unlike antibiotics, organisms don't build up resistance to CS and it
works for bacteria, viruses and fungus.

Oh, and if you are feeding your dog dry food it will cause her to drink
a lot. Dry food is not natural or species appropriate.

Char
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Old May 27th 11, 08:35 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:20:24 -0400, Char
wrote:

On 5/23/2011 1:34 AM, Jo Wolf wrote:
Until you KNOW, from your vet, what the problem really is, do not give
your dog antibiotics or colloidal silver (check this with your vet First
before using it; Char is not a vet or even a vet tech).


Colloidal silver will not hurt your dog and is commonly used as a
preventative for many things. When I take it regularly I don't catch
colds or the flu. There is no danger and most vets have no idea what CS
is so asking a vet is usually useless. You cannot overdose on CS either.

Unlike antibiotics, organisms don't build up resistance to CS and it
works for bacteria, viruses and fungus.


All that's a matter of opinion. See:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery.../silverad.html
I wouldn't take the stuff or give it to my dogs.

Oh, and if you are feeding your dog dry food it will cause her to drink
a lot. Dry food is not natural or species appropriate.


That, I agree with.




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Old May 28th 11, 09:22 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

On 5/27/2011 3:35 PM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2011 15:20:24 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/23/2011 1:34 AM, Jo Wolf wrote:
Until you KNOW, from your vet, what the problem really is, do not give
your dog antibiotics or colloidal silver (check this with your vet First
before using it; Char is not a vet or even a vet tech).

Colloidal silver will not hurt your dog and is commonly used as a
preventative for many things. When I take it regularly I don't catch
colds or the flu. There is no danger and most vets have no idea what CS
is so asking a vet is usually useless. You cannot overdose on CS either.

Unlike antibiotics, organisms don't build up resistance to CS and it
works for bacteria, viruses and fungus.

All that's a matter of opinion.


No, it's not opinion, it's fact. You'd know that if you had done even a
small amount of research. Trashing things you don't really know about is
about your speed though.

See:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery.../silverad.html
I wouldn't take the stuff or give it to my dogs.


Anyone that uses the quackwatch website as a "reliable source" is truly
clueless. It make it obvious that you just now Googled it and took the
first negative site you could find and posted it here. The man behind
quackwatch has been discredited by our own legal system long ago.
Federal judges called him "/biased and unworthy of credibility/."
Barrett has lost every lawsuit he's filed, and there are many. Indeed,
he's deeply in debt from them all.

For those interested in finding out more about Stephen Barrett, what
he's really about, check out these links:

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackWatchWatch.htm
http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/FULL/Quac...ion_Case.shtml
http://www.iahf.com/quackbusters.html

Char



Oh, and if you are feeding your dog dry food it will cause her to drink
a lot. Dry food is not natural or species appropriate.

That, I agree with.





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Old May 28th 11, 11:51 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown


"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
...
All that's a matter of opinion. See:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery.../silverad.html
I wouldn't take the stuff or give it to my dogs.


.............Quackwatch is run by a quack.

buglady
take out the dog before replying


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Old May 30th 11, 01:13 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default White Dog - Licking paws, etc, hair turnn redish-brown

On 5/28/2011 6:51 PM, buglady wrote:
"sighthounds& wrote in message
...
All that's a matter of opinion. See:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery.../silverad.html
I wouldn't take the stuff or give it to my dogs.

............Quackwatch is run by a quack.


To say the least! LOL! I'm glad that someone else knows what's going on
with him.

buglady
take out the dog before replying



 




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