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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: Bethgsd wrote: Suja wrote: Some say there must be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl in apartments, thus there is no fence. There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs, And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a dog. Beth Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill of beans either as per above message. It is those double standards that annoy me. Home owners are not going to pack up and leave tomorrow as they must sell their property first. Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs 4 x's a day. Home owners should not be treated differently just because the home is a home with a yard. 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: Bethgsd wrote: Suja wrote: Some say there must be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl in apartments, thus there is no fence. There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs, And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a dog. Beth Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill of beans either as per above message. It is those double standards that annoy me. Home owners are not going to pack up and leave tomorrow as they must sell their property first. Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs 4 x's a day. Home owners should not be treated differently just because the home is a home with a yard. 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: Bethgsd wrote: Suja wrote: Some say there must be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl in apartments, thus there is no fence. There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs, And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a dog. Beth Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill of beans either as per above message. It is those double standards that annoy me. Home owners are not going to pack up and leave tomorrow as they must sell their property first. Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs 4 x's a day. Home owners should not be treated differently just because the home is a home with a yard. 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:
Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. who said that? i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof. -- shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:
Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. who said that? i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof. -- shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:
Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. who said that? i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof. -- shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: "sighthounds etc." wrote: 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. I call that double standards. You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments, because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street, the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of the house into an unfenced yard. We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions). However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home visit. Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the health or safety of any dogs. You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: "sighthounds etc." wrote: 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. I call that double standards. You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments, because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street, the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of the house into an unfenced yard. We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions). However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home visit. Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the health or safety of any dogs. You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote: "sighthounds etc." wrote: 1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing, sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example, as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside even when their people are inside. Mustang Sally Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is that a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify. b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced in yard have a dog. I call that double standards. You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments, because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street, the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of the house into an unfenced yard. We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions). However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home visit. Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the health or safety of any dogs. You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 |
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"sighthounds etc." wrote: You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a rescue, which is perfectly fine. Only because of the double standards. I do not care to deal with organizations that have double standards in place and or a common denominator. Since you have never dealt with and would never deal with a rescue group, I have dealt with. Not for adoption but for funding raising, doing garage sales and helping out. So I am not sure where you have gotten the idea I have never dealty with a rescue group or would ever because I most certainly have. and since your posts make it clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do. That's fine but it is obvious to me as well that you don't really know what I have and haven't done as far as volunteering. Mustang Sally "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03 Gwen |
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