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Aggressive dog. Nature or Nurture?



 
 
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Old April 29th 12, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cshenk View Post
Dogman wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 15:08:47 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

I agree with dogman on this AND with the person Alison is quoting.
Both are correct, but rarely for the same dog.


Jo, anyone who tries to reduce dog aggression to a couple of simple
this or thats (including myself, which is why I try hard to avoid
doing it) is essentially whistling Dixie.

Every dog has his/her own, unique story.

Nota bene: Get the right breed for your needs and abilities (this is
where most mistakes are made); have the dog bred by a responsible,
knowledgeable breeder (this is where the second most mistakes are
made); properly socialize the puppy (most people have no idea what
that actually means); and then properly train the dog (most people
have no idea what that means, either). And if you do, you have almost
a 100% chance of getting the dog of your dreams. It's pretty easy to
do, actually, as I'm sure you know.


For folks like me with just rescues, we kinda 'get what we get'.
Fortunately I've been very lucky with all 3. Sammy passed on but Aunti
Mabel has now turned 15 (youngest age estimate of vets). She looks
good to make 16 come next Novemeber.

I agree with a general 'breed type' suiting the owner although they can
vary off it individually. My preferred comfort zone is the labrador and
beagle. Since my ability to properly exercise a lab is limited, we go
beagle (mixed rescues) here.

I did have a fairly recent (2 months back) experience when again the
local facility asked if i could watch a dog for a few days. Since i
have a back safe room that can be blocked off, I agreed to a weekend so
the normal foster mom could be away (kid wedding or something like
that).

It was a male neutered beagle-ish mix but the mix was one i was not
familiar with enough to identify. It was odd as the second he came in,
he got agressive acting almost like he wanted to 'be boss dog'. He was
taken in right to the back room (on leash) and babygated off with 2
layers so it covered the door to about 6ft up. I was warned he needed
to be segregated as they were still working with him on this but I know
no more of his story than the only thing that shut him up for a moment
was Aunti Mabel.

He was in the blocked off back room and she came to lay on one of her
favorite pillows just near the door to there. Being deaf, she didnt
hear him growling or barking but eventually she turned and saw him. I
heard this low growing growl then a series of escallating barks that
made me look to see if the ceiling was gonna crack. Yeah, Aunti can be
loud when she wants to be. Didnt hear more from the male for 6 hours
other than happy yips when i let him out the back to go pee in the yard
and put him back in with a treat and lots of petting.

I'm not so stupid as to disrupt a well oiled 1 cat 2 dog home with a
newbie so yes, he went right back as he was a weekend watch.

I was told by the rescue after describing this that this male was going
to be placed for a bit with a strong female bitch with no other dogs as
a trial. My own guess was he'd be fine in a single dog home but we
didnt try to walk him in that short time to see what happened on the
street.

Was he mistreated (by people or an attack early) or just a strong
leader who didnt identify he was in a temp home or was he genetically
aggressive? I've no clue.

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Originally Posted by cshenk View Post
Dogman wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 03:48:43 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

[...]
I had one girl here 18 years ago, a terrier/dachs mix, who had to
go to God because she was totally unpredictable and could not be
placed, and I would not take the liability of keeping her after 10
months of work. I'd get her through one problem only to have one
of her old problems return after a couple of quiet weeks..... until
the night I was sending her out for "last call" and she tried to
grab my ankle with a boadaceous snarl.


Yeah, sometimes you just can't figure them out. Ever. Too much water
has passed under the bridge. 10 months is a long time to work with a
dog, and then still have it go bananas. But "stuff" happens, and there
are thousands and thousands of great little dogs out there (on Death
Row) that are just begging for a chance to show some human how neat of
a dog it could be - if someone would just give it a chance.

So sometimes you just have to admit defeat and move on. You can't save
them all. But you can almost certainly save the next one. Keep up the
good work, kiddo!


Yup!

Cats are different though. I don't really have the same level of doggy
know how (as you know and i do not hide) but cats if you work with
ferals (real ones, not just 'oh found it outside lets call it a feral')
take years.

Hush now. Daisy-chan (cat) is purring at me from across the room while
kneeding Cash's back. Aunti Mabel has recently decided to horn in on
this and Daisy-chan happily swaps.

Daisy-chan has been here now 4 years. She is not and never will be a
lapcat. That has less to do with her having been completely feral for 6
years, than her individual nature.

Tieing this togther, Daisy-chan probably doenst have an experience sort
making her not a lapcat, but more a genetic set where she wouldnt be
one even if she hadn't had her wild time.

It stands to reason to me that dogs will also have similar genetic or
experience related 'issues' in various areas.





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So, you do have a beagle? Can i ask how to train them to become friendly with other dogs?
And by the ways, I also agree what dogman said. But we can't help it, everyone have different opinions.
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Old May 20th 12, 10:44 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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So, you do have a 'beagle'
(http://www.trainpetdog.com/Beagle/about-beagle.html)? Can i ask how
to train them to become friendly with other dogs?
And by the ways, I also agree what dogman said. But we can't help it,
everyone have different opinions.


Hi! Long quotes deleted!

I have currently 2 mixed rescue beagles, or that is the best
description for them as they arent purebred sorts. Beagles from my
experience are naturally friendly unless abused or taught carefully
wrong to be abusive. While any dog (just like people) can be
different, beagles were pretty much bred to be friendly pack hunting
dogs.

They are from my limited knowledge, easier to socialize than some other
breeds as they seem to want to do that.

What you do have to watch for with them is feeding time. Beagles are
food-hounds and may not share well so you may have to separate them at
that one time of the day. Over time, they get over that but a new
entry to the house, may need a separate feeding spot for a bit. I'd
recommend a separate bowl per dog in a beagle household even long after
they are buddies.


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