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Mental abilities in animals (was: Something For Goo...)
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:40:18 -0800, Goo wrote:
.. On 11/14/2013 11:36 PM, Rupert wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:16 AM UTC+1, Mr.Smartypants wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44:21 PM UTC-7, Rupert wrote: The fact that nonhuman animals have conscious awareness is surely old news. It's part of common sense; we don't need scientists to tell us that. We don't but that idiot Goo does. His claim is more that they lack sophisticated mental states such as anticipation, pride, and so forth. And that is correct - they do lack those. They can experience at most a few basic emotions: fear, aggression, contentment. Anticipation and pride are no more dificult to experience than the few things you can comprehend that they experience Goob. It's no harder to experience anticipation than fear, than it is to experience being hungry than being cold Goober. In fact fear REQUIRES a being to experience anticipation, Goo. As I showed, they cannot experience the emotion of anticipation, either positively - usually just called anticipation - or negatively, usually called dread. You haven't shown that and in fact by saying they experience fear you have said they experience dread, Goo. ****wit and his waterboy Douchebag Hamilton have to equivocate on the meaning of anticipate, reducing it to mere expectation in the immediate future, in order to try to claim, fatuously, that animals "anticipate". Mere expectation, as I have shown, is not the *emotion* of anticipation. Anticipation isn't an emotion Goob. It's a mental condition that CAUSES emotions, Goo. |
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On 11/17/2013 1:48 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:40:18 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: . On 11/14/2013 11:36 PM, Rupert wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:16 AM UTC+1, Mr.Smartypants wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44:21 PM UTC-7, Rupert wrote: The fact that nonhuman animals have conscious awareness is surely old news. It's part of common sense; we don't need scientists to tell us that. We don't but that idiot Goo does. His claim is more that they lack sophisticated mental states such as anticipation, pride, and so forth. And that is correct - they do lack those. They can experience at most a few basic emotions: fear, aggression, contentment. Anticipation and pride are no more dificult to experience than Animals can't experience them. They don't have the capacity. As I showed, they cannot experience the emotion of anticipation, either positively - usually just called anticipation - or negatively, usually called dread. You haven't shown that and Shown - multiple times. The emotion of anticipation requires an awareness of time that animals lack. ****wit and his waterboy Douchebag Hamilton have to equivocate on the meaning of anticipate, reducing it to mere expectation in the immediate future, in order to try to claim, fatuously, that animals "anticipate". Mere expectation, as I have shown, is not the *emotion* of anticipation. Anticipation isn't an emotion It is, of course. |
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Mental abilities in animals (was: Something For Goo...)
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:56:36 -0800, Goo wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:48:41 -0500, dh@. wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:40:18 -0800, Goo wrote: . On 11/14/2013 11:36 PM, Rupert wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:16 AM UTC+1, Mr.Smartypants wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44:21 PM UTC-7, Rupert wrote: The fact that nonhuman animals have conscious awareness is surely old news. It's part of common sense; we don't need scientists to tell us that. We don't but that idiot Goo does. His claim is more that they lack sophisticated mental states such as anticipation, pride, and so forth. And that is correct - they do lack those. They can experience at most a few basic emotions: fear, aggression, contentment. Anticipation and pride are no more dificult to experience than the few things you can comprehend that they experience Goob. It's no harder to experience anticipation than fear, than it is to experience being hungry than being cold Goober. In fact fear REQUIRES a being to experience anticipation, Goo. Animals can't experience them. They don't have the capacity. Predatory animals would starve to death if they didn't anticipate, Goo. As I showed, they cannot experience the emotion of anticipation, either positively - usually just called anticipation - or negatively, usually called dread. You haven't shown that and in fact by saying they experience fear you have said they experience dread, Goo. Shown - multiple times. The emotion of anticipation requires an awareness of time that animals lack. It doesn't require any awareness of time and you can't even present anything that pretends it does, Goo. ****wit and his waterboy Douchebag Hamilton have to equivocate on the meaning of anticipate, reducing it to mere expectation in the immediate future, in order to try to claim, fatuously, that animals "anticipate". Mere expectation, as I have shown, is not the *emotion* of anticipation. Anticipation isn't an emotion Goob. It's a mental condition that CAUSES emotions, Goo. It is, of course. It's a mental condition that can and does cause different types of emotions, sometimes positive and sometimes negative, Goo. |
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On 11/23/2013 6:59 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied: On 11/17/2013 1:56 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 11/17/2013 1:48 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid, illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:40:18 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: . On 11/14/2013 11:36 PM, Rupert wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:16 AM UTC+1, Mr.Smartypants wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44:21 PM UTC-7, Rupert wrote: The fact that nonhuman animals have conscious awareness is surely old news. It's part of common sense; we don't need scientists to tell us that. We don't but that idiot Goo does. His claim is more that they lack sophisticated mental states such as anticipation, pride, and so forth. And that is correct - they do lack those. They can experience at most a few basic emotions: fear, aggression, contentment. Anticipation and pride are no more dificult to experience than Animals can't experience them. They don't have the capacity. Predatory animals would starve to death if they didn't anticipate ****wit, I have already dismissed your attempted equivocation on the meaning of anticipation. Predatory animals do not experience the emotion of anticipation, ****wit. They "anticipate" only in the much more limited meaning of immediate expectation. That is not the emotion of anticipation, ****wit - your equivocation is rejected. A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. No non-human animal can experience that emotion. This is proved. You conceded defeat already. As I showed, they cannot experience the emotion of anticipation, either positively - usually just called anticipation - or negatively, usually called dread. You haven't shown that and in fact by saying they experience fear you have said they experience dread, Goo. Shown - multiple times. The emotion of anticipation requires an awareness of time that animals lack. It doesn't require any awareness of time and It does, as I have proved. ****wit and his waterboy Douchebag Hamilton have to equivocate on the meaning of anticipate, reducing it to mere expectation in the immediate future, in order to try to claim, fatuously, that animals "anticipate". Mere expectation, as I have shown, is not the *emotion* of anticipation. Anticipation isn't an emotion It is, of course. It's a mental condition that It's an emotion - one that animals cannot and do not experience, ****wit. Proved. "I am not a man." - ****wit David Harrison You sure aren't, *Gloo* - you sure aren't. |
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Rudy Canoza
wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? -- Anne's Little Brother Bob |
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On 11/23/2013 11:50 PM, Bob O'Dyne wrote:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? Yes, of course. It's pertinent. You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. No, not quite that long. Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. No, they're not. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. No. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? No. A child's anticipation of Christmas - an emotion - is just the example I chose to differentiate the emotion from the mere immediate expectation that ****wit is confusing with it. |
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:50:55 +0200, Bob O'Dyne
wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Goo wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. Those people want to create the impression that life is not worth living for any domestic animals, because appreciating that it is works against the elimination objective which is the true objective of people who dishonestly refer to what they want to accomplish as "animal rights". In case anyone reads this who isn't already well familiar with the fact, those people don't want better conditions, longer lives, rights, or anything at all for domestic animals. They want to ELIMINATE domestic animals and for them not to exist, not for them to exist with better lives and "rights". Animal welfare people want to see domestic animals provided with decent lives, while supposed "animal rights" people better known as eliminationists want them not to exist at all. What eliminationists want works AGAINST decent animal welfare, so anyone who is in favor of decent AW should be very much against the gross misnomer "animal rights" and the eliminationists who try to support it. People in favor of AW should not contribute to any organizations that promote veganism, but instead to arganizations aimed at better AW like organizations that enourage people to buy cage free eggs and grass raised meat and dairy products. No one who is in favor of decent AW should contribute to PeTA, for example. Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? Goo's effort to create the false impression that animals can't anticipate is just another part of those people's attempt to create the impression that no domestic animals benefit from living. Goo has taken it to the extreme that he insists nothing has ever benefitted from its life regardless of quality. The Goober has even claimed that the son he claims to have does not benefit from still being alive. Goo's insistence that animals can't anticipate if not based entirely on the stupid idea that they really can't, is because he doesn't want people to understand that animals benefit from anticipating things that they enjoy like food, or spending time with their owners and other animals. I've pointed out to him that predatory animals would starve to death if they didn't aniticipate catching food when they hunt, but Goob claims to be too stupid to comprehend that. Even as stupid as Goo has proven to be I still can't believe he's THAT stupid, and if he's really not then he's being deliberately dishonest about it. I've also pointed out that anticipation is not an emotion but a mental condition which PRODUCES emotions and those emotions can be positive or they can be negative, but Goo acts like he's to stupid to comprehend that fact as well. Could the Goober really be as stupid as he acts like he is? Maybe, but so far I don't believe he truly is. |
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:36:09 -0800, Goo wrote:
On 11/23/2013 11:50 PM, Bob O'Dyne wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Goo wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? Yes, of course. It's pertinent. You don't want people to think that anticipation of being fed etc helps to make life of positive value for any animals Goob. You especially don't want them to think it helps make life of positive value for any domestic animals and particularly especially not for any livestock animals, Goo. You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. No, not quite that long. When do you think you began this particular line of idiocy, Goo? Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. No, they're not. Whether they are or not there's no reason to think animals don't get positive feelings from anticipating things the enjoy Goob. In fact Goober, for anyone who has been around animals it's stupid to think they don't. My finches get excited when they see me preparing to give them meal worms, and I told you about the fish that would show excitement when he/she saw me preparing to give them food, and there are many examples of dogs getting excited when they aniticpate things. Anticipation can also produce negative feelings/emotions in non-human animals as I've pointed out for you a number of times in the past, Goo. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. No. That's a blatant lie since they certainly could Goots. The fact that you did lie about it is enough to make a person suspect that it may well apply to you, Goo. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? No. When was it if not then, Goo? A child's anticipation of Christmas - an emotion - is just the example I chose to differentiate the emotion from the mere immediate expectation that ****wit is confusing with it. Anticipation is a mental condition also known as expectation, and it can produce both positive and negative emotions, Goo. |
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On 11/28/2013 7:58 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:36:09 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 11/23/2013 11:50 PM, Bob O'Dyne wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? Yes, of course. It's pertinent. You don't want people to think that anticipation of being fed Not the same thing, *Gloo*. An animal only expects anything in *immediate* response to a signal, *Gloo*. The child - and any human - can experience the emotion of anticipation, which is different from mere expectation, even without any signal. You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. No, not quite that long. When do you think you began this Whenever you started bullshitting ignorantly about the fantasy emotions you stupidly believe animals can experience, ****wit. Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. No, they're not. Whether they are or not there's no reason to think animals don't get positive feelings from anticipating things the enjoy They don't experience the emotion of anticipation, *Gloo*. That's settled. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. No. That's a blatant lie since No. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? No. When was it if not then Never. A child's anticipation of Christmas - an emotion - is just the example I chose to differentiate the emotion from the mere immediate expectation that ****wit is confusing with it. Anticipation is a mental condition also known as expectation No. There is a *different*, deeper meaning of anticipation that includes an emotional state that animals don't experience, *Gloo*. They don't experience it because they don't have the required awareness of time, *Gloo*. Anticipation, the emotion, *requires* a sense of time including symbolic time, *Gloo*, and animals just don't have that. This is all proved. Also proved is that you are not a man. |
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On 11/28/2013 7:45 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:50:55 +0200, Bob O'Dyne wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:43:32 -0800, Goo wrote: A child anticipates Christmas, ****wit. That's an emotion. Good lord, are you still banging on about this? You've been on this hobby horse for at least ten years. Those people want to create the impression that life is not worth living for any domestic animals, "Those people" believe that live is not worth living for any domestic livestock animals, *Gloo*, and you have done nothing to persuade them otherwise - because you're incapable of persuasion. Stupid people are never persuasive, *Gloo*, especially when they're gutless liars. because appreciating that You don't "appreciate" anything about animals *except* the products, ****wit. You have said so many times. Your obsessive references to "child", "Christmas", and "anticipation" are sad. They could be symptomatic of childhood abuse or trauma. Were you molested as a kid by someone in a Santa suit? Or maybe you "saw Daddy kissing Santa Claus underneath the mistletoe last night"? His effort to create the false impression that animals can't anticipate Animals cannot experience the emotion of anticipation, *Gloo*, which is something entirely different from mere immediate expectation. |
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