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Old January 28th 07, 08:16 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots.
All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog
doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say,
slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be
too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering
about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener.

Any thoughts ?

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Old January 28th 07, 08:48 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots.
All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog
doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say,
slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be
too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering
about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener.

Any thoughts ?


Did your vet check for worms?

Where did you get the puppy? Breeder? Pet store? Where?

How often are you feeding her now? How much are you feeding her?

Why do you feed her both "puppy food" and "puppy kibble"?

What's the difference? What does that mean?

IMO, if she checks out okay for worms, and depending on what you're
actually feeding her now, you should just stick to feeding her a
PREMIUM brand of puppy kibble (Purina Pro-Plan, Eukanuba, etc.) - and
no additives, unless your vet recommends it.

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Old January 29th 07, 05:39 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the
worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well
should, that it would be understood that all the normal things are
done. including worming.

Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is
the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc.

Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about.
mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights
get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on.
Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one.



On Jan 29, 8:48 am, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:
On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots.
All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog
doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say,
slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be
too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering
about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener.


Any thoughts ?Did your vet check for worms?


Where did you get the puppy? Breeder? Pet store? Where?

How often are you feeding her now? How much are you feeding her?

Why do you feed her both "puppy food" and "puppy kibble"?

What's the difference? What does that mean?

IMO, if she checks out okay for worms, and depending on what you're
actually feeding her now, you should just stick to feeding her a
PREMIUM brand of puppy kibble (Purina Pro-Plan, Eukanuba, etc.) - and
no additives, unless your vet recommends it.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison


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Old January 29th 07, 04:19 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 28 Jan 2007 20:39:04 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the
worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well
should,


Actually, IMO, no, they shouldn't. Yes, many vets will routinely worm
all puppies as part of their initial exam, but many will want to see a
stool sample first, to make sure that the puppy actually has worms.
I'm with the second group: don't give a puppy poison unless it's
absolutely necessary.

Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is
the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc.


Do you know what the puppy was eating before you brought her home? Why
the canned food? If you use a premium brand of kibble, no canned food
should be necessary. It also makes for a firmer stool, and less mess
to clean up. I hope you're not just ad-libbing here.

I think the loose stool is probably related to changing your pup's
diet, and feeding her too much food. You didn't answer the questions
about how much you're feeding her, and how often, and it would really
help to know the answers to those questions - before you take any
further action. One of the main reasons that puppies have loose stool
is that they're given to much food to eat.

Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about.
mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights
get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on.
Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one.


11 puppies. That's a very big litter. So hopefully you know how
critical that *early* socialization (to all the sights, sounds, smells
of the world) is for a pup, right?

On Jan 29, 8:48 am, Handsome Jack Morrison
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On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

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Old January 29th 07, 05:57 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because
that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys
anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble.
THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The
food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a
balanced diet.

Perhaps I am feeding too much. As to how much I feed well probably I
do give too much. She always leaves behind but she eats around 2/3's
of what I put down.

pup was fed weetbix and milk and canned puppy food before i got her.
I put much of it down to a change in diet and her tummy has to settle
down and so on.

sounds and experiences. well aware of all of that thanks. Im nearly
50. Always lived with 2 or three dogs.

I dont like feeding dry food all the time. Which is why I usually
give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours.



On Jan 29, 9:20 am, montana wildhack
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On 2007-01-28 14:16:30 -0500, "k9nick" said:

have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's
well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't
exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ?
not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too
graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about
putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener.


Any thoughts ?Rice or oats can help, but for a baby puppy (and we're just giving an

unexpected ltter of 5 8 week-old puppies away) the better choice would
be cottage cheese. There's more nutrition in it for growing pups.
You'll want the mix to be about half and half kibble to cottage cheese.
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Old January 29th 07, 07:23 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Handsome Jack Morrison
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On 29 Jan 2007 08:57:28 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because
that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys
anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble.
THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The
food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a
balanced diet.


Look, she's your pup. If you want to make it easier for your puppy to
have loose stools, get fat, have diseased teeth and gums, etc. - go
right ahead.

Perhaps I am feeding too much.


How exactly will you ever know? Before it's too late, I mean?

As to how much I feed well probably I
do give too much. She always leaves behind but she eats around 2/3's
of what I put down.


Is what you "put down" for her in accordance with any particular
feeding guideline?

Or are you just shooting from the hip?

pup was fed weetbix and milk and canned puppy food before i got her.
I put much of it down to a change in diet and her tummy has to settle
down and so on.


Yes, that's almost certainly part of it. But you're almost certainly
feeding her too much, too. So what are you going to *do* about it?

Adding stuff to her food, without having a clue as to why she has
loose stools, doesn't sound very smart to me.

sounds and experiences. well aware of all of that thanks. Im nearly
50. Always lived with 2 or three dogs.


What exactly do you think early puppy socialization entails? How long
does it last?

Do you think your puppy, probably resulting from an accidental
breeding, and having *10* littermates(!), got enough early
socialization from her "breeder"?

I don't think so.

I dont like feeding dry food all the time.


Why not?

Which is why I usually
give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours.


In other words, you're starting to actually enjoy your puppy having
loose stools?

Well, okay then!

On Jan 29, 9:20 am, montana wildhack
wrote:
On 2007-01-28 14:16:30 -0500, "k9nick" said:

have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's
well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't
exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ?
not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too
graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about
putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener.


Any thoughts ?Rice or oats can help, but for a baby puppy (and we're just giving an

unexpected ltter of 5 8 week-old puppies away) the better choice would
be cottage cheese. There's more nutrition in it for growing pups.
You'll want the mix to be about half and half kibble to cottage cheese.
--http://4dsgn.com


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Old January 29th 07, 07:42 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:36 -0500, montana wildhack
wrote:

On 2007-01-29 13:23:40 -0500, Handsome Jack Morrison
said:

Or are you just shooting from the hip?


Well Jack, he's nearly 50, he's had dogs, so he surely knows everything
he needs to know.


Well, okay then!

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Old January 29th 07, 08:11 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"k9nick" wrote in news:1170045544.162841.57860
@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the
worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well
should, that it would be understood that all the normal things are
done. including worming.


Um. No. Worming medicine is poison. Why on earth would you think that a
vet should automatically give a puppy something like that as "standard".
And if you didn't mention the problems with your pup's poop, the vet
would have no way of knowing that he should perhaps take a fecal sample
and see if perhaps a worming is actually in order. Call your vet and
tell them there is a problem. Ask if they'd like to check a stool
sample. Pay them for this.

Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is
the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc.


I don't understand the term "Balanced diet etc". Is that the brand name
of the food you're feeding?

Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about.
mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights
get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on.
Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one.


Did the people who allowed their dogs to have an "oops" litter ever worm
the pups? Did they have a vet check the pups out at all? Do you have any
info on what the breeders did to insure the health of the pups at any
point?

People get pups from less than stellar breedings all the time (happened
right here to one of our regulars who adopted a dog who, it turned out,
was pregnant!), but that doesn't mean that the breeders just toss up
their hands and let "nature take its course". There's still a lot of
work to be done to make sure the pups are properly socialized to humans,
sights, sounds, other dogs, etc as well as lots to be done to make sure
they're healthy, not carrying parasites and eating a healthy food.

I think its great that you have this brand new puppy, and
congratulations on your new pup.

Tara
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Old January 29th 07, 08:26 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Handsome Jack Morrison wrote in
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On 29 Jan 2007 08:57:28 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:

I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because
that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys
anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble.
THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The
food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a
balanced diet.


Look, she's your pup. If you want to make it easier for your puppy to
have loose stools, get fat, have diseased teeth and gums, etc. - go
right ahead.


I hope you're primarily refering to the *amount* being fed, rather than the
canned food.

I'd love to see some real cites that say feeding canned causes any of the
thing you mention.

snip
Adding stuff to her food, without having a clue as to why she has
loose stools, doesn't sound very smart to me.


This I do agree with. I'm all for adding, or concocting preperations for
dogs as long as you *know* why you're doing it and what you're trying to
accomplish. Doing it "just because" doesn't make sense.

snip

I dont like feeding dry food all the time.


Why not?

Which is why I usually
give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours.


In other words, you're starting to actually enjoy your puppy having
loose stools?

Well, okay then!


That doesn't follow.

The first thing I'd be looking at is worms and the overfeeding issue. If
the pup is used to canned, it shouldn't be causing a problem. Depends on
the dog. Most dogs I come across aren't phased by diet changes as long as
their humans don't get overly rigid about never altering their food. Then,
even those dogs tend to get symptomatic if their diet is changed because
their system no longer adapts as well.

I used to change Finn's food every two or three bags. No gradual three
weeks to change over crap. Just new bag = new food. If I had canned food
and wanted to add it to his kibble, I did. His only sensitive area was with
too much meat on his once a week raw bones. If there was a lot of meat on
the bone, he'd have one loose stool before he pooped out the chalk dry bone
poop. That's it. Until the end, of course....but that was obviously a
different topic.

Annie is nearly the same way, though I notice she gets a smidge looser
after more than two big Wellness biscuit treats. When she came to me, she
had been eating the same kibble day in and day out forever, and I noticed
she had some slight trouble adapting to new foods. Now she gets a mixture
of kibbles (maybe 70% one brand, and the rest divided between two other
kinds), and I feed her that as rewards throughout the day. Plus meats
(cooked turkey or chicken breast, mostly. Some hot dogs). Plus some canned
as a filled Kong snack if she has to be crated for a long time. No loose
stools at all, and she's doing really well.

I'm not saying this poster has a well thought out feeding plan, but what I
got from your response was that if you feed canned, or if you feed more
than one flavor kibble, its a given that there will be problems....and I
just don't see that as true most of the time. Unless either the owner
creates that problem in the dog by being too rigid (which is most of the
time), or the dog has digestive issues out of the gate, then I see that
most dogs are pretty ok with those things.

The OP needs to make better decisions about what to feed their pup,
obviously. That's a different matter. I just wanted to address what I got
from your post.

Tara

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Old January 29th 07, 08:41 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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In article 6,
Tara wrote:
I used to change Finn's food every two or three bags. No gradual three
weeks to change over crap. Just new bag = new food.


I do the same thing without current problems. There's a
school of thought (i.e. there's no research behind it) that
says that 1) rotating food helps develop a more robust
digestive system (i.e. parking on one food for extended
periods of time decreases the dog's tolerance for variation
in his diet), and 2) rotating food helps keep the diet more
balanced (as long as you're feeding quality diets, etc.). I
stick with one feed through the training and working (HAH)
season but switch feeds a few times during the summer,
mostly without problems. Duncan was prone to IBD and wasn't
very tolerant of most feeds, but otherwise it's been fine.

I believe that people create an awful lot of their own
problems with their dogs, and that's true of feeding, as
well.
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