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"Suja" wrote in message ... http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...-morell-text/1 Interesting little article. Suja It IS interesting. Alex has been interestingly contraversial, but it sounds like he served a great and important purpose. |
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Suja wrote:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...-morell-text/1 Interesting little article. And a highly contested one. There's this: "Chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas have been taught to use sign language and symbols to communicate with us, often with impressive results. The bonobo Kanzi, for instance, carries his symbol-communication board with him so he can "talk" to his human researchers, and he has invented combinations of symbols to express his thoughts." There are many researchers who doubt that non-human primates are using language in any way close to the way human primates do. There's the oft-cited business about how one of the chimps who was taught sign language combined the signs for "water" and "candy" when presented with watermelon for the first time. Another example was when one of the primates, a gorilla I think, saw a swan for the first time and called it a "water"/ "bird". All of the times the animals combined other signs with no apparent connection of meaning to new object were not noted. There's every reason to think that the human primate researchers were seeing meaning and cognition where there was none. It's no different from the way I recognize several of Cubbe's barks to have different meanings. I know the "theresasquirreltheresasquirrel" bark, and I know the "mailmanmailmanmailman" bark. But I wouldn't call that language. --Lia |
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"Suja" spoke these words of wisdom in
: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...inia-morell-te xt/1 Very interesting. Thanks for that |
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"diddy" none wrote in message: Very interesting. Thanks for that I was thinking of Tuck when I read the article. I figured that the researchers might be interested in a dog like him. Suja |
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"Suja" spoke these words of wisdom in
: "diddy" none wrote in message: Very interesting. Thanks for that I was thinking of Tuck when I read the article. I figured that the researchers might be interested in a dog like him. Suja Dr Ian Dunbar was very interested in his dad and tested him in Savanahh. He sent me the compilation of his studies, which I have somewhere, but haven't seen in years. |
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Suja wrote:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...-morell-text/1 Interesting little article. Very interesting - thanks for this. What intrigues me about much of this research is not the question of whether non-human animals can be taught 'language' or not; such arguments quickly devolve into arguments of what the definition of language is, and whether or not the non-human animals' use of signs and symbols can actually be called language, and experimenter bias in seeing and reporting their use, etc. I'm sure there are problems in these areas. But what I find fascinating is how much intelligence they demonstrate when people start asking them the right questions, or give them training that opens the doors to allow them to show it. Speaking of - what do you think of Patricia McConnell's book, "For the Love of a Dog"? I'm reading it now and am finding her discussion of dogs' facial expressions and body language very interesting. FurPaw -- "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower To reply, unleash the dogs. |
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"FurPaw" wrote in message: Speaking of - what do you think of Patricia McConnell's book, "For the Love of a Dog"? I'm reading it now and am finding her discussion of dogs' facial expressions and body language very interesting. I'm reading it in parallel with 6 other books. Haven't gotten too far into it, but it is quite interesting. I really like how she writes; she has the ability to explain complex ideas simply, and to break down complex tasks so they seem more easily accomplished. I love her little troubleshooting manuals; 50 pages of goodness is what it is. Suja |
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FurPaw wrote: Speaking of - what do you think of Patricia McConnell's book, "For the Love of a Dog"? I'm reading it now and am finding her discussion of dogs' facial expressions and body language very interesting. I liked it. Good content, novel structure. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
... In article , FurPaw wrote: Speaking of - what do you think of Patricia McConnell's book, "For the Love of a Dog"? I'm reading it now and am finding her discussion of dogs' facial expressions and body language very interesting. I liked it. Good content, novel structure. As soon as I finished reading it, I loaned it to a friend. It still hasn't come back so I'm hoping that they enjoyed it as much as I did. Judy |
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