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Pfizer Sued After Dog Dies From Rimadyl Toxicity
I was speaking in generalities, and am certainly glad that your dog had
those painfree days! Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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Pfizer Sued After Dog Dies From Rimadyl Toxicity - Char
On 9/7/2011 11:13 PM, Jo Wolf wrote:
It was on the MSNBC medical news page on Wed. Will try to remember to post the url after i do email. Not the study report itself, but reporting on it. The study was looking at (Hold onto your hat, this sounds weird, but it made sense.....) how many people had to take what dose of what drug before a significant number reported satisfactory relief from pain. It was a retrospective study.... using patients' reports to their doctors, as recorded in medical records. They obvioulsy couldn't go out and arbitararily give multiple drugs and combinations of drugs. To keep the source and type of pain standard, they looked at records of people who had teeth pulled. I recall one rug required 2.5 people to get it in that dose before one person reported relief. Codiene wasn't very effective at all.... that one I recall. The general finding was that NSAIDS, non-NSAIDS weren't very good, and neither were the codiene based drugs, but some combinations were. One good one was acetomenophen (Tylenol) and Ibuprofen in combination.... The problem with the study is that different pains react differently to different drugs. If I take my back meds for tooth problems there is not much in the way of relief. For me, a tooth problem is cured best with ibuprofen for example. And both acetomenophen and nsaids like ibuprofen are hard on kidneys and liver. I have a liver disease and have to steer clear of both as much as possible yet oxycodone is safe (at least for my situation) and I don't become addicted to it. Patients and nurses kept telling surgeons, Years Ago, that Demerol was not very effective for most surgical pain. Finally some anesthesiologist did a study and came up with the no-news-to-us that Demoral was only a "medium" pain reliever with significant respirary depression. Soon as that hit the journals, we started going back to good, dependable morphine, which is a good pain reliever and also a significant respiratory depresant, after major surgery. I can testify to that also since I had Demerol given to me after a liver biopsy and it didn't help much at all. However, since the study was about tooth pain I guess surgery pain isn't relevant. If only all pains were the same and could be treated the same but they aren't. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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Pfizer Sued After Dog Dies From Rimadyl Toxicity - Char
Yeh, all Demerol did for me post-op was make me "drunk" and in pain....
but fortunately, the pain wasn't severe (gall bladder removed using endoscopes, so just 3-4 1 inch incisions.... not the huge incision required in the past and still in specific cases. The next day, they changed my meds, and I really only Needed it Desperately when the doc pulled the drain, and for that, I got a nice jolt of morphine. I usually worked in surgical ICU or the regular surgical ward, and it was interesting to see who reported having how much pain, for how long. It varied widely. Now, with the precision electronic pumps, a patient can control pain med administration, and Much less is usually needed. In the past, the patient would wait until it hurt like hell to ask for pain med, and the nurse might be tied up with something for some time before s/he could get to the desk to sign out a narcotic and get it to the patient. The most horrible night of my career was during my senior year (1963) in a hospital nursing school when I was covering TWO adjacent 35+ bed cancer wards as charge nurse and the only person who could give medications..... with two (expected) deaths on one ward, and one (expected) death on the other, and the paperwork required for those. I literally ran all night, giving pain meds, trying to pass regular meds, and dealing with the deaths. Today, NO hospital would permit that kind of staffing deficit.... The LPNs couldn't give any meds or adjust IV speed or do sterile procedures.... the aides and orderlies could do less than the LPNs.... and the intern had to be called to re-start any IV that quit working. And only students or RNs could write notes and chart meds. Patients ended up having much more pain than was justified. Those two wards were in a T configuration.... I was so exhausted that when I got off duty that morning about 8:30 or 9, I slept 12 hours and my classmates knew I hadn't eaten, so had gone out and brought back canned soup and sandwich makings for me.... I almost cried when I got to work that second night and found out that I had the same two wards.... but the evening shift had been told to make sure that patients were well medicated, even if their shots were a half hour early, a no-no in those days. Most of them slept through the night, no one died, and there were no sterile procedures ordered for night shift. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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That's something we should be aware of. We should always be cautious of what our dog is ingesting especially the medicines.
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